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Old 11th Sep 2016, 16:39
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How not to enjoy a flight

From the link below,

At what point might the crew decide enough is enough or are there legal boundaries given that the deportee was 'escorted' and in cuffs?

And, why would the crew say the following?

"Ironically, rather than calming worried passengers, easyJet cabin crew ordered passengers to delete videos and pictures of the man they had taken on mobile phones."

Terror on EasyJet flight as migrant being deported to Venice screams 'Allahu Akbar' 29 times, 'death is coming' 17 times and 'we will die' nine times in shocking two-hour frenzy | Daily Mail Online
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Old 11th Sep 2016, 16:48
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Simple solution:

Mad deportees in one container, drunks in another and screaming kids in a third.
Ok, maybe EZY don't have containers. Dog cages then.
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Old 11th Sep 2016, 17:38
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... being deported to Venice, of all places? I guess that was the cheapest available flight to anywhere in Italy?

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Old 11th Sep 2016, 18:14
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And, as usual, the paying customers are treated with contempt by the airline. He should have immediately been off loaded! Easyjet nul points!
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Old 11th Sep 2016, 19:17
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Gets to Venice, claims asylum, probably granted, within EU, not a lot to stop him coming back and doing something here, or Paris, or Brussels or......
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Old 11th Sep 2016, 19:32
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It's bad but it's no worse than a couple of 'new age' parents allowing young Henrietta or Tarquin to scream unchallenged or running up and down the aisle - usually running away from the gluten and dairy free raw vegan snacks that they're trying to force the kid to eat.

Being handcuffed at least contains the problem.
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Old 11th Sep 2016, 19:52
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It's a strange thing: running kids are drawn towards my big feet which 'accidently' protrude into the aisle.
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I don't care much for economic migrants, especially those who prove they woukd threaten our way of life in Britain. The quicker we are shot of them, the better. But Easyjet passengers should not have to put up with Mr Scumbag. Let him rot in detention for a few more weeks until a whole group of foul mouthed "Alu Ahbar" chanting friends can join him on a private charter.

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Old 11th Sep 2016, 20:28
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Badly handled if reports are facts. If anyone had asked him to 'Shut his face' they may have received the treatment he deserved. That is the vexing possibility.
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Old 11th Sep 2016, 20:33
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What an amateurish way to deport illegal immigrants. I was operating out of Milan for Air Europe back in 2003. One special charter was a flight to Turin to collect over a hundred deportees who were boarded with massive police and military security, each handcuffed to a police officer. The noise, kicking, screaming and obscenities were indescribable throughout the subsequent flight to somewhere in Africa. We returned with just the police officers who made the most of the onboard hospitality, which they had well earned. That is the way to do it, not by scheduled airline.
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Old 11th Sep 2016, 20:43
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If true, not sure why the skipper did not say anything. Had a guy a couple of years ago (at EZY) who was being deported to Amsterdam - it was the 5th attempt. I made a PA in front of the PAX, telling them it had so far cost tens of thousands of pounds to try and get him out of the country (which was true). I warned them he would probably scream his head off, but was escorted by three security guards and there was nothing to fear. I also said if anyone was too uncomfortable when he was on board, I would happy to return to the gate. Pax were fine with that and the guy stopped screaming once we were airborne.

Regarding posters above saying the chap would claim asylum in Italy, we do not know what his final destination was. In the case of the screamer on my flight, the Dutch authorities were going to deport him to somewhere in West Africa, where he came from.
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Old 11th Sep 2016, 22:17
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Instructions by crew to passengers taking photographs

Once a photograph is taken the police need a warrant to seize it or an airline needs a court order to prevent it being published.

Requests by cabin crew to delete a photo taken by passengers have no legal basis.

The authority of cabin crew is subtly undermined when they are instructed to mislead public.

Airlines are not liable if passengers publish pictures. In most countries there is no right to privacy.

Perhaps airlines are simply interested in controlling their corporate image?

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Old 11th Sep 2016, 22:18
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Hotel Tango and others. Wise up, and listen...

This is not new, this has been going on for years and it is a f******g scandal. Forgive me, this angers me so much.

It must be 7 or 8 years ago I was Capt on a flight from London to Paris with just such a scumbag dragged on board by immigration officers who explained the deportee was finally, after four or five years of trying (!!!) off to be put back under his stone.
The creep was screaming blue murder, Allahu and all that crap, your'e all gonna die etc and I asked how my pax were expected to react to that.
I'd had no forewarning of this event before some guy came up the steps pre-flight with an Immigration ID, Id never even heard of this situation before and like all pilots I'd never been trained how to deal with it. Completely blindsided by an avalanche of shrieking, obscenities, threats and hatred. It seemed like a riot scene from a bad day in Newham. Oh, don't worry said the gumment drone, he'll shut up when the doors are closed and he realises it's all over. I wondered if he really would. It didn't seem likely. I wondered how the hell we'd board at all with the tirade of spittle, violence and abuse.
The head drone implored me not to refuse him, though he admitted it was my right as Captain and explained it had taken years to get this scumbag out of the country. As if I didn't know. His name was often in the papers. If I refused him it would be back to square one, appeal process starts all over again and hundreds of thousands more of taxpayers money squandered in pointless further legal battles and incarceration in 5* luxury accommodation.
It was taking six burly guards to even remotely hold this maniac down, they would not gag the bastard (apparenty that's not the done thing - we must be gentlemanly when dealing with murderous religious fanatics trying to destroy our society, after all...) and ther was no way at all I could subject 140 pax to this level of violence and abuse. I had to refuse him, sick to the core as I was. I am still sick to the core to this day that I contributed to this piece of filth's campaign to ruin our country.
I thought long and hard about how I could explain to the pax why their trip to Paris was part of a foul mouthed, 120db hate fuelled and spittle filled violent fight in the back three rows and simply could not find a justification for it. There was no justification - kids were on board too. It was out of the question.
The poor chap accepted my decision well enough but added the info this was the third time the **** had evaded extradition this way and it would be 6 - 9 months, weeks of wasted courts time and hundreds of thousands of before the same thing happened again.
Worse was the guy's explanation. There exist "charities" - actual registered "charities" in the UK whose remit is allegedly to "protect the safety of deportees"' This apparently involves the full co-operation of the detention authorities who, by means of the poison of political (in)correctness are forced to allow these criminally irresponsible imbeciles masquerading as do-gooders access to the deportees who then coach them - on home Office premises - and under Home Office observation - in how to make themselves so offensive and obnoxious that they cannot be carried on public transport. Shrieking and screaming continuously, fighting tooth and nail, spitting, urinating, defecating and howling threats about life, death and "allah" are all part of the training. Basically make themselves so awful no one will carry them to be deported. And the Home Office supports, facilitates and hosts this activity on their own premises! Unwillingly I dare say, but they do so nonetheless.
Mainly bluestocking ladies and the predictable dreadlocked hippie types, the man told me. All white native British. God help us all.
But why not put the scum in a paddywagon and drive them to Paris on the ferry where they annoy no one on the car deck, I asked. Oh, can't do that. Contrary to their "human" rights. What about the Human Rights of my other pax I asked. Can't confine people in a vehicle for 10 hrs apparently. Not humane. So send them by coach I suggested. No, that's not a humane way to get people to Paris either, apparently. Only flying will do. Coach passengers might like to consider this curious item of gumment policy, I think!

Thus I was forced to collude in squandering hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money and further the destructive campaign of a hate filled racist bastard thanks to the coaching of some brain-dead do-gooders taking advantage of our insane cotton wool rules, and I feel sick whenever I think about it. But you'll have gathered that already, I expect.

Private jets????? Are they ******* kidding???? Private ****** jets for Christ's sake? Chained up in the back a Herc if there is a score or more of them perhaps. They must be laughing their socks off when they get home. Why, why should these criminals be allowed - expected - to swan home like Millionaires or share space with fare paying pax is beyond my comprehension, especially when the detention authorities themselves collude in coaching them to make themselves uncarryable, so why not put the scum into cattletrucks and get sent back the correct way? I was assured the cotton wool rules we were applying wouldn't be observed once this creep got to Paris, from there on he'd have been made to toe the line though treated in a perfectly humane manner as long as he reciprocated. Why can't we do that?
What on earth is the matter with us?

Utterly disgraceful.

Rant over, but I'd feel a whole lot better for it if this sort of insanity was better publicised.

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Old 11th Sep 2016, 22:57
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They seem to be quite happy to sneak into the country with dozens of others in a twenty foot container. They surely couldn't complain if the same method was used to extradite them? Kick, scream and spit all they want and no one would be the slightest bit inconvenienced.
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Old 12th Sep 2016, 00:03
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on a few airlines, this would have been the pilot!
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Old 12th Sep 2016, 00:34
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Can I just point out that EasyJet say only three complaints were made. Was it as big a deal as the Mail makes out? They say it "emerged" that the home office uses budget airlines as if this is a recent discovery yet I recall this being shown on Uk TV several times in the past.
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One wonders why it is that money can always be found to fund second homes for MPs who live only a mile or two up the road from the Westminster dinner club but funds are inevitably limited when it comes to this. Actually one does not wonder; one merely observes, with an increasingly jaundiced eye, the way one's taxes are spent.
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Old 12th Sep 2016, 05:21
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Guys if a pax wants the cheapest ticket then he gets what he payed for: cheap fare and sometimes deranged ppl.
Next time better use a full-service carrier instead of CheapSkate Air.

And I'll write it again: CC should be given tasers and NLW, and use them when they deem it appropriate, like this scenario.
Or the police could fill the scumbag with sedatives and tranquilizers.
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Old 12th Sep 2016, 06:01
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Yes. Avoid LCCs. You don't get deportees on full service airlines. What was that LCC called where G4S managed to kill a deportee on. Great British Air or something like that? And another LCC from dunnunda beginning with a Q who deport Tamil deportees?

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Old 12th Sep 2016, 07:53
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Is there some good reason that they cannot be flown on military flights?
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