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Old 30th Sep 2017, 13:09
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
I dont think there will be much opposition to that - all quite sensible stuff.

The bizarre thing is that it actually needs to be said.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 13:42
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Strange article in the Staggers about Bombardier.

The workers at Bombardier in Belfast and in parts of England are watching with trepidation the war of words between the UK and the United States. Their jobs may be threatened as a result of the imposition of a 220 per cent tariff by the USA against the company’s aircraft, following a complaint of unfair pricing by American aerospace giant Boeing.

As part of the EU the UK could, and should, expect the other 27 to rally round when protectionism threatens jobs and industries. We could enjoy the stability of being a larger trading block and the growth in markets that comes from that with the right approach, as Germany has illustrated. Even staying in the in the customs union after withdrawal –the most sensible solution if the unnecessary self-damage of Brexit is to be even partially mitigated – would permit some continuing assistance in that regard.
Well we haven't left, we are still full members of the EU so what are they doing about it?

I suspect that we will soon find out just how much better off we are under the protectionism of the EU.

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Old 30th Sep 2017, 13:59
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I suspect they will do nothing about it, they wouldn't anyway even if brexit wasn't happening because the C series will take sales away from Airbus.

In theory they should say something but as Airbus is a major part of the French economy and is also under threat from US complaints they will say absolutely cock all about it.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 14:55
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Without a doubt they are saying something about it. Just because it isn't on the front page of the Daily Mail, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

And do you think the Daily Mail would report it?
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 15:09
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But I thought you didnt want May as PM Pace, make your mind up who would you rather have running the country, Boris, May or Junker?
Myself Ruth Davidson
May has been a tool of the right a puppet on a string PM reliant on sound bites
Why the softer approach ? Reality check ? She knows she is dead meat so reverting to her beliefs ? I don't know

For Boris to have tried to sabotage her Florence speech the way he did ? She should have sacked him there and then
I don't support May even less the Clown Boris
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 15:22
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you want a BBC journalist to be the prime minister?

Good luck with that one.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 15:27
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Myself Ruth Davidson
May has been a tool of the right a puppet on a string PM reliant on sound bites
Why the softer approach ? Reality check ? She knows she is dead meat so reverting to her beliefs ? I don't know
There are two problems with Davidson. Firstly she is a MSP and does not have a seat at Westminster which rules her out of the race. Secondly she is a committed remainer and in a race against Boris would lose because the rank and file tory party are leavers.

For Boris to have tried to sabotage her Florence speech the way he did ? She should have sacked him there and then
I don't support May even less the Clown Boris
So why did she not sack Spreadsheet Phil or Rudd when they were trying to sabotage the whole Brexit process in July/Aug? You may think Boris is a clown but hes a clever clown and a very successful politician demonstrated by battering Red Ken in two London elections where the majority of the electorate are labour supporters.

The next PM and leader of the Tory party will be a leave supporter so you have a choice, Davis, Boris, Gove or Rees-Mogg for an outside bet.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 16:15
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Reece Mogg has killed his chances for the same reason the Lib Dem leader resigned his religious predjudice
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 16:29
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Reece Mogg has killed his chances for the same reason the Lib Dem leader resigned his religious predjudice
Quite the opposire, Rees Mogg gave his opinion but also said it was his opinion and belief and it would not alter the abortion law or gay rights. Farron on the other hand flip flopped until cornered if he had just said what he believed there wouldnt have been a problem. Rees Mogg is the same faith as Blair and he did 3 terms
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 16:29
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As much as it makes a change from economic predictions without a clue.

It really doesn't matter who is in charge it will still be a no deal exit without a 2 year extension.

Mainly because of the EU
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 17:13
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Originally Posted by Pace View Post
Exrigger

As the EU have suggested that I presume they will make a special case due to the sensitive situation in NI
We have come up with zero solution at least they have
That description of yet another of your invented scenarios doesn't even make grammatical sense.

This thread is getting silly
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 17:45
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Originally Posted by ExXB View Post
Without a doubt they are saying something about it. Just because it isn't on the front page of the Daily Mail, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

And do you think the Daily Mail would report it?
what is this obsession with the Daily Mail?
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 18:09
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As much as it makes a change from economic predictions without a clue.

It really doesn't matter who is in charge it will still be a no deal exit without a 2 year extension.
Mainly because of the EU
Tescoapp

You really are so convinced of that What are you going to do sell your four EU properties wait till that happens when 60p buys one Euro convert to many pounds and wait for sterling to recover ?

We were talking about Ruth Davidson being a remainer, Yes the Scots Conservatives want us in the single market.

Ruth Davidson has already threatened to break away if we are faced with a NO deal exit

All it takes is a vote in Parliament faced with such a economically damaging act for an approval referendum and don't count on Parliament backing no referendum and a NO deal exit! The Scots will vote against the government line and then break away

2018 ? the economy isn't looking great! Talks collapse and the pound heads down. Bank of England already putting interest rates up in November. Further inflation caused by the prospect of a no deal exit. Very disgruntled voters

Brexit is then dead caput finished. As was said 8 months ago. The best way to kill brexit is to go for the hardest of the hard exits
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 18:17
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You really are so convinced of that What are you going to do sell your four EU properties wait till that happens when 60p buys one Euro convert to many pounds and wait for sterling to recover ?

We were talking about Ruth Davidson being a remainer, Yes the Scots Conservatives want us in the single market.

Ruth Davidson has already threatened to break away if we are faced with a NO deal exit

All it takes is a vote in Parliament faced with such a economically damaging act for an approval referendum and don't count on Parliament backing no referendum and a NO deal exit or the Scots voting against the government line and then breaking away

Haha Pace, do you have a little friend called Tattoo? because you really are living in Fantasy Island now. Davidson has thretened no such thing and if MPs tried to stop Brexit there would be a civil war because everyone would know that democracy in the UK would be dead. I really think you need to take a tablet and lie down in a dark room.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 18:28
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Haha Pace, do you have a little friend called Tattoo? because you really are living in Fantasy Island now. Davidson has thretened no such thing and if MPs tried to stop Brexit there would be a civil war because everyone would know that democracy in the UK would be dead. I really think you need to take a tablet and lie down in a dark room.
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Democracy started and finished in June 2016

Yes Ruth Davidson is on a watch and see and has threatened to break away

Now if you were a really clever brexiteer you would know you are in a danger zone until we pass the brexit date in 2019

It really can be cancelled back to our previous situation the day before brexit day

You would think how do I con and take all these remainers on board to make sure there is no referendum or disasterous exit

Simple you tell the world you want a limited transition based on status quo negotiating a long term agreement during that transition

Then you fool everyone along past the brexit date in 2019 and hey presto you then collapse the agreements or do so when you have actually prepared to leave with no deal. You have been clever and bought time to get your no deal exit ducks in order
hey Presto jobs done

A no deal exit looking likely before that date and you are playing a high risk game of loosing brexit completely
But then there is not a lot of intelligence in the gang of sixty. They are a pretty thick ideological bunch who don't know what a game of chess is never mind how to play it

ahhhhh UM " Out means out and those bloody ECJ aren't telling us what to do so I know lets shoot ourselves in the foot
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 18:40
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It really can be cancelled back to our previous situation the day before brexit day
Please show the ruling by the ECJ that states that's true.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 18:40
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Oh come on Pace I see you have gone back to your more outlandish fantasies, none of what you say can be actual fact or anything to do with brexit until March 2019, or two years after if the EU actually agree to the transition period.

The reason why I say that is because we are still in, as you keep telling us when the news does not match your forecasts and wilder claims, so it is still just the fear of the unknown and there are those who will use and play on those fears, trouble is it seems to be working more on those who are the self proclaimed intelligentsia that are bleating and claiming all that doom and gloom is fact.

On the whole the BoE and those that control the economy are starting to prepare for a no deal exit from what I hear and read, so unless they really want to break the country economically for altruistic reasons, then I will put my trust in them rather than you and a few other people who claim the sky is falling in already, after all if they really do screw over the UK, they won't be employed for long, and the rich elite don't like losing money and power very much.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 19:00
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Oh and to follow on from that: here is what others think of the doom and gloom, not from the Guardian or this thread:

Mark Carney confirmed that the Bank of England is close to raising interest rates at its November meeting on Friday, saying that they would rise so long as there was not a sudden and unexpected deterioration in economic data.
Using similar language to that used in the minutes of September’s Monetary Policy Committee meeting, the BoE governor said: “if the economy continues on the track that it’s been on, and all indications are that it is, in the relatively near term we can expect that interest rates would increase somewhat”.
Mr Carney also reiterate the BoE’s position that there is not a general problem of debt in the UK economy but a “pocket of risk” in consumer debt, where the governor said, “we are worried about the shift from what was responsible lending to reckless lending”.
Confirms what GtW said earlier.

The Bank's chief economist, Andy Haldane, said in an interview earlier this week that a rise in rates should be considered "good news", despite the fact that it will mean higher repayments for people in variable rate mortgage.
I also believe that on the rumour alone the pound has strengthened again, so what do you want Pace because you seem to want your cake and eat it, however your main concern has always been the exchange rate so what are you going to move to now, or are you going to just repeat the oft said comment that:

When the pound gets to 1.30 I will be happy, or something close to that
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 19:01
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There is nothing in art 50 which says it cannot be cancelled! There were two EU addendum which if it couldn't be cancelled would make no sense at all

Firstly if we cancelled we could not return to a better situation than we previously had without the permission of all 27 countries

secondly we could not use the cancellation ability to extend art 50 two year time scale as a negotiating tool

Happy to see anything in LEGAL documents which says otherwise

Also with your legal challenge remember the Brexit vote was advisory only and not a legally binding referendum

I also believe that on the rumour alone the pound has strengthened again, so what do you want Pace because you seem to want your cake and eat it, however your main concern has always been the exchange rate so what are you going to move to now, or are you going to just repeat the oft said comment that:
The pound strengthened because the markets believe interest rates will go up because of brexit created inflation and the weak pound
Carney will artificially strengthen the pound by raising interest rates
We are a debt ridden society

A no deal exit prospect will send the pound diving again

Part of Carneys job is to not spook the markets so as in any such statement read between the lines
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 19:05
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You might not like him personally...

I suspect he is one of the most intelligent pols on the scene at the moment and he also has a marmite like charisma about him.

The way he avoided the trap set by Cameron was exceptional.

He is one of the few in UK politics with a bit of character.

he isn't right for the office just now but in the future post exit I wouldn't discount him. Mainly because there is no real obvious choice apart from him.
Loathe him or hate him, Johnson wins against Corbyn in a head to head

Expect him to be unleashed as leader if there is even a sniff of Labour winning the next GE
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