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Old 11th Sep 2017, 15:04
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I think you sometimes misread me
I don't care how we get access to the EU markets in or out as long as we get that access
May as good as made a promise
You can blame the EU all you like for being rotten but it's their market
If we fail to get a good deal it will be the rights red lines on what is or isn't acceptable not the EU and in my book the far right are not the will of the people or patriotism they just use that for their own ends
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 15:05
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Who is being unpatriotic someone who supports the rights vision of brexit which is leave at any cost or someone who has the economy and hence all the things we need money to. Make people's lives better
The NHS costs a fortune but we need money and dare I say EU citizens and others to make it work
Chasing an ideology won't pay the bills
If that's unpatriotic then so be it
"Chasing an Ideology wont pay the bills" Better tell the EU that as it is their ideology that is holding everything up.

If we care about this country it's not about supporting the brexit vision of 60 right wing conservatives but supporting what's best economically for this country
Ah the good old economy again (remember remainers are only interested in the price of their Lattes) Pace once again, it is not about the economy its about the future democratic status of the UK. The very fact that you are happy to put that at risk in return for a few pence of your daily cup of coffeee is rather sad.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 15:27
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Originally Posted by Rob Courtney View Post
"Chasing an Ideology wont pay the bills" Better tell the EU that as it is their ideology that is holding everything up.



Ah the good old economy again (remember remainers are only interested in the price of their Lattes) Pace once again, it is not about the economy its about the future democratic status of the UK. The very fact that you are happy to put that at risk in return for a few pence of your daily cup of coffeee is rather sad.
Whatever the outcome - Ms May, Mr Cameron, Mr Davis etc. will sooner or later make a fortune anyway by publishing an autobiography or giving some kind of lectures.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 15:31
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Even taking the worst case scenario factual opinions of brexit, the UK has survived and prospered after worse than what 'might' be a post brexit economy, and will add that those economic downturns have been whilst both in and out of the EU.

Though one might be able to peruse the internet and find out whether those economic downturns whilst in the EU were caused by being in, or would have happened anyway.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 15:41
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So between 1973 and 2004 you caught up quite well with Germany despite them adding quite a sizeable bit to their country.
That had very little to do with Europe and much more to do with Thatchers reforms.

Somehow I am not convinced of all this talk about the UK being in some way 'deceived' back in 1975.
Please explain, we where told by the remain side that voting to stay in would not mean giving away any of our sovereignty, was that not being deceived? We voted to stay in the EEC and had no say whatsoever on the transformation to the EU and other changes.

Watch this piece from the 1975 Oxford Union debate where Peter Shore, he along with another notable left wing MP fully understood what staying in the EEc would mean down the road but this was denied by the remain side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoO6146qM5g
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 15:41
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" Whatever the outcome - Ms May, Mr Cameron, Mr Davis etc. will sooner or later make a fortune anyway by publishing an autobiography or giving some kind of lectures

Whilst the courtesy of your references to the above is duly noted, some of us have more definitive terms for the three mentioned.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 15:49
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some of us have more definitive terms for the three mentioned.
As have some of us for the most of the labour party.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 15:52
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Whatever the outcome - Ms May, Mr Cameron, Mr Davis etc. will sooner or later make a fortune anyway by publishing an autobiography or giving some kind of lectures.
Probably not as much as Blair and Brown did before them.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 16:02
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Originally Posted by denachtenmai View Post
As have some of us for the most of the labour party.
Point in case Phoney Tone and how much money has that criminal milked from a variety of places since his 'retirement'

The Left attempting to vilify the Right whilst ignoring Tone is hypocrisy of monumental proportion, thing is they know that and it really does stick in their craw
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 16:19
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Gina Miller launches legal challenge over Tory-DUP deal - Evening Standard
https://apple.news/AX-aNUou9Q2auMYaXcQai1A

She is at it again this time to bring down the government
Trouble is she has a habit of winning
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 16:29
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Old news, but nothing to worry about after all who is going to oppose it?
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 16:31
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Trouble is she has a habit of winning
Except last time she did it only strengthened the govts hand
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 16:36
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Oh look, another "Despite Brexit" story

https://order-order.com/2017/09/11/t...-from-reuters/

So much for all banking companies upping sticks and moving to Paris and Frankfurt.

The gap between London and New York has actually GROWN since the vote, who would have thought
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 16:40
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Originally Posted by Rob Courtney View Post

The gap between London and New York has actually GROWN since the vote, who would have thought
That must be because we haven't left yet..
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 16:42
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G Miller, has she got nothing better to do than try and do all she can to cause problems for the country she has done very well out of, and I don't believe she, and for that matter others, are doing this for the good of the country, seems some have too much money and not enough to do, rather appears to be more ego driven than altruistic.

Gina Miller wins latest challenge - Now £1BN Tory-DUP deal needs parliamentary vote | Politics | News | Express.co.uk
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 16:46
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Marches v votes

The participants in one activity get the attention of politicians more than the other.

I suggest if you want to be heard you express yourself at the ballot box.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 16:51
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She is at it again this time to bring down the government
Maybe between her and the lot I posted previously in the link below, they may succeed and boy will this country be in a worse position than a 'hard' brexit ever will be, still if that is what the majority of the people, who have the right to change their minds, want in this democratic country, then so be it.

Union chiefs plot general strike to bring down Theresa May | Daily Mail Online
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 17:33
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But Gina Miller didnt win anything - the deal always did require a vote in Parliament.

BBC
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 17:39
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One then has to wonder why she bothered, and more to the point, if she knew that why challenge it before it has happened, obviously my previous statement appears more valid about her motives:

But after Ms Miller’s challenge over the legal basis for handing out the £1billion payout, which is yet to be made, the Treasury’s solicitor said it will now need to have “appropriate parliamentary authorisation”.
So, from the bold above it looks like they weren't going to do what they now have to.
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Old 11th Sep 2017, 17:47
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Ms Miller told the BBC's Stephen Nolan Show on Monday she was "stunned" that the DUP cash required parliamentary approval and that this aspect of the deal had not been widely known.
Just because it was not widely know about doesnt mean it was never going to happen.
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