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Old 14th Aug 2017, 20:27   #16101 (permalink)
 
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Firstly the result I want is what May promised!
did you ever find a link to this supposed promise?
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 20:32   #16102 (permalink)
 
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Osbourne was partially to blame but so is Brexit
I live fairly central London.
The housing market here is dire especially in Canary Wharf, Tower Bridge etc due to the fact that a lot of that market is taken by financial services
Properties which used to sell in a week are taking 6 months to a year and only sell with Major cuts
Country wide the market has slowed because of fear of Brexit and especially what Carney warned of a number of predicted Mortgage increases coming up
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I am not going to disagree with your opinion. There have been several articles in the press lately criticising the Stamp Duty changes. The reports lead on to say that 'older' people won't down size, freeing up millions of bed spaces due to the rises.
True, no idea. But blaming it all on BREXIT is wrong.

The UK house market is over priced IMHO. London particularly so. Some re-alignment is well overdue.
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 22:33   #16103 (permalink)
 
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.e...50-Swansea/amp

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There is a reference to that promise


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Labour MP Pat McFadden, a leading supporter of the Open Britain group, said: "As she enters talks with our European partners, it is up to the Prime Minister to deliver the deal that she and her ministers have promised.

“That means a trade agreement that gives us the 'exact same benefits' as we have now on access to the European market.


"The Government has promised a Brexit deal that will not damage our economy and put jobs at risk. They need to meet the tests they have set themselves."
She did make the above promise but later watered that down
She also told the Scots and remainers to wait and see what she would get for them! That she was representing all the people! The Scots she told to wait and see what she achieved with brexit before calling for their second independence vote
Scotland voted remain by 62%

Hence a failure to achieve any deal would be a massive failure of the governmrnt
In a no deal exit that failure should require the people's permission in a second vote

As David Davis said " Democracy means the ability to change your mind " democracy seems to have finished since the June vote

If May wants to go out with no deal and really believes in the will of the people why does she fear that will so much that she spends all her time trying to stop Parliament involvement and giving false promises to keep people quiet ?
Only 29% of voters want a hard brexit

Surely she would want that stamp of approval from the people for a no deal exit ?

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Old 14th Aug 2017, 23:13   #16104 (permalink)
 
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Government refusing to publish 50 'secret' studies on Brexit impact - The Independent
https://apple.news/AlPf7WyCKRt6bcWMVVFCfOw

This is disgusting! that no deal or hard exit government studies would be so damaging to negotiations on Brexit that the government won't publish them

Brexit is really going beyond a joke
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 23:25   #16105 (permalink)
 
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And today the government spots what I pointed out yesterday, that they haven't got time to get planning permission for the border posts in Northern Ireland and the lorry parks over half of Kent:


Brexit: UK suggests 'temporary customs union' with EU - BBC News


Three years might do it, if they have a fairly clear run through the appeals and the judicial reviews (on both the planning and the CPOs).
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 23:55   #16106 (permalink)
 
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There is a reference to that promise
So she promised to negotiate hard - somewhat different from what you have been claiming for the past year..
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 23:57   #16107 (permalink)
 
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And today the government spots what I pointed out yesterday, that they haven't got time to get planning permission for the border posts in Northern Ireland and the lorry parks over half of Kent:


Brexit: UK suggests 'temporary customs union' with EU - BBC News


Three years might do it, if they have a fairly clear run through the appeals and the judicial reviews (on both the planning and the CPOs).
That assumes the EU are willing to negotiate which at the moment they are refusing to do.
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UK Wants 'Customs Partnership' With The EU As Government Backs Away From Hard Brexit - HuffPost UK
https://apple.news/ADZ-xBHy0Tiu0nDI9Q-p7oQ

Now David Davis seems at odds with the Hammond / Fox statement
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 05:26   #16109 (permalink)
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KnC,

You are turning into one of those people you despise so much, Daily Mail reading common folk. Just believing something you want to blame on the current government.

As LNS clearly states, Osbourne made the changes which is causing the house price changes.

Maybe in your haste to blame everything on BREXIT, you missed your fact checking website, The Guardian.

Do keep up old boy.
Oh please !....you will have offended the sensibilities of so many on here, and in the real world, by referring to Mail readers as "common folk ".....Mail readers will be reaching for their smelling salts at the mere suggestion they are common !..

Now, since you suggested I " keep up old boy " I suggest events in the real world ( where peoples economic concerns tend to be somewhat more diverse than last months Mess bill) have more relevance therefore. Here's what they entail.

You will be astounded to learn Brexit gets a mention !....I have no idea why of course....as does the "m " word....mortgages not being worthy of t'boards commentary here on JB......

What's slowing down the UK housing market? - Business Insider

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Old 15th Aug 2017, 06:30   #16110 (permalink)
 
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This is disgusting! that no deal or hard exit government studies would be so damaging to negotiations on Brexit that the government won't publish them
Why on earth would you give ammunition to the opposition?.

you would just be handing them a list of your weak points so they could twist the knife in.

Not that it really matters to be honest because the EU is not negotiating it just turning up and refusing to move on anything in the hope that the UK backs down and they get everything that they want.
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 07:33   #16111 (permalink)
 
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KnC that Buiness Insider article conveniently completely fails to mention the major slowdown in purchase of buy-to-let properties. This has been caused by Osbourne's changes to stamp duty and how offsetable buy-to-let expenses like mortgage interest are treated.
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 07:43   #16112 (permalink)
 
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Not really the point I was making

The very fact that there is study material which if known was so bad that it would damage their negotiating stance hardly paints a rosy picture of us just leaving with no deal ?

What that material would do internally for the brexit case ?
With David Davis now appearing to take up Hammonds soft brexit stance it's really a merry go round

Did we ever intend to leave without a deal ? The fact that months back the government hadn't even researched the possibility makes that option look like hot negotiating air with no option behind it
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 07:48   #16113 (permalink)
 
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I actually agree with you on that
People approaching retirement were also encouraged to cash in their pension schemes
Some wisely putting money into rental property to secure them an income

The government have done nothing to help savers with no return and seem to want to stuff them at every opportunity
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Hi Pace, I think it's a first where we are in complete agreement
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 08:32   #16115 (permalink)
 
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e...exit-lwwhvb2qq

Hammond has won his battle with the Cabinet
David Davis will announce formally today that we will remain fully in the customs union for up to three years post brexit

This will preclude us from making trade deals for those three years

With the other links I posted above the Cabinet have realised that a no deal exit is too damaging
But there is a caution from Irelands EU commissioner that the EU and all 27 countries have to agree this

I still think it will end up as a brexit in name only a la Norway

UK suggests 'temporary customs union' - BBC News
https://apple.news/AsKtyBSuFSEega7DFAvEklw

Is this the start of a climbdown by a Government out of their depth ?

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Old 15th Aug 2017, 08:34   #16116 (permalink)
 
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From that Business article

'Both JLL and Savills predict that the average UK house price will grow by 13% by 2021.'

A whole host of wailing and teeth gnashing about Brexit and new regulation but the housing market is going to grow by 13% despite all the feckin imaginary gloom and doom.

And still some people appear to be queuing up to swallow all this Project Fear stuff, when are the clever Remainers going to start to work out that they are being 'played'.
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A slightly different version

Brexit: UK suggests 'temporary customs union' with EU - BBC News

'According to the newly-published government paper, the UK could ask Brussels to establish a "temporary customs union" after it leaves the EU in March 2019.
But during this period, it would also expect to be able to negotiate its own international trade deals - something it cannot do as an EU customs union member.


Seems like a sensible and pragmatic approach
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 08:56   #16118 (permalink)
 
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Brexit: UK suggests 'temporary customs union' with EU - BBC News

'According to the newly-published government paper, the UK could ask Brussels to establish a "temporary customs union" after it leaves the EU in March 2019.
But during this period, it would also expect to be able to negotiate its own international trade deals - something it cannot do as an EU customs union member.


Seems like a sensible and pragmatic approach
Hopefully not the last pragmatic move by HMG; but make no mistake, if the EU is going to run with the UK's proposal there is going to have to be some give from the UK on some of it's red lines, making them a bit less red, and almost certainly a cost attached.

I can see the usual suspects in the Conservative party in particular (Redwood, Cash, Rees-Mogg for example) being quite hostile.

I've been saying for months that one of the biggest practical problems resulting from Brexit is customs clearance of goods, without turning Kent into one enormous truck park. I'm pleased the government has admitted (defacto) that this is an issue and has some sort of plan to address it.
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 09:00   #16119 (permalink)
 
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the UK could ask Brussels
That's OK then. Brexit is solved.
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Old 15th Aug 2017, 09:04   #16120 (permalink)
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But during this period, it would also expect to be able to negotiate its own international trade deals - something it cannot do as an EU customs union member.
A spurious claim- as I previously linked, the UK is already free to negotiate trade deals - they just can't come into force until we exit. Exactly the same position as under the new proposal.
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