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Old 14th Dec 2016, 15:56
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I sincerely hope there is a coherent and sensible plan.
The significant concern of course is what happens when it is finally tabled in front of the EU plan, and the incompatible red lines get crossed.
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 16:26
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https://www.ft.com/content/080280ae-...7-e7ada1d123b1


Rob the above is reality your view is total fantasy land

Now your question about market volatility. Markets do not like uncertainty and the main cause of uncertainty at the moment is not Brexit but all the court cases from the remainers trying to prevent it.


Hard Brexit supporters remind me of the above picture

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Old 14th Dec 2016, 16:30
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Oh dear, I see the Greeks are upsetting the EU again with their proposal to give an unauthorised Christmas bonus.
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 16:36
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Pace, I answered your question now please stop dodging and answer mine, there where two in my last post. Your link BTW is behind a paywall and the FT are a very remain orientated rag.
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 17:05
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The Brexit pound crash explained | British GQ

Rob here is a simple unbiased one for you but if you google it you will find many to select
Hard Brexit hints and the pound goes down
Access to the EU markets and it goes up its as simple as that
There is a reason why these stupid market people who don't have your knowledge and expertise regard hard brexit and the EU markets in that way

I cannot answer your questions without knowing what they are ? If you can't remember I don't have a crystal ball
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 17:13
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Pace you simply have to look back up the thread a bit but here you go

I really do not have time to trawl back 20-30 pages but the questions where numerous. But less start with this one. Where Boris Johnson, Micheal Gove, Gisella Stewart and Andrea Ledson part of project fear? If not why would they lie about the UK leaving the single market?
and then there is this in reply to one of your posts (below the question)

Not at all its about a level playing field. But please define biggest trading partner? Do you mean the partner who we sell most to or the partner who we make the most money from dealing with?

Or is the discrimination just against our biggest and closest trading partner ?
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 17:27
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Study shows Swiss firms worried over EU single market access

What business in the Alps are thinking about the single market:

https://worldradio.ch/news/2016/12/1...market-access/
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 17:38
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Freedom of movement is a big problem, I really do not understand the EUs thinking on freedom of movement as its structured as it makes no sense at all.
I can understand freedom of movement to work with maybe even citizenship rights with establishment and proving your worth.

But where you have 27 countries of vastly differing economic performance it cannot work
People and especially the younger people upping and leaving their own countries to take up citizenship in another wealthier EU country is madness to the highest degree

Freedom of movement it one of the major reforms the EU need to make

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article...-court-finding

Rob this makes an interesting short read
THE BREXIT DEAL CAN NEVER SATISFY BREXITEERS
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 17:48
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Freedom of movement it one of the major reforms the EU need to make
Perhaps so. But that is an internal matter for the EU to resolve if they wish.

The UK will not be in the EU to take part in those discussions so there is little point in repeatedly raising it here.
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 17:58
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David Davis says UK would accept Brexit transition deal 'if necessary' - Sky News
https://apple.news/Apck-PcB0QvO4FmOglGYgCQ

Dave Davis talks of 4 options one being fully or partially in the Union
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 19:02
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Little point in repeatedly raising it here

I agree SallyAnn

I suspect there might be someone that disagrees, and continues to raise it repeatedly and futilely and with monotonous regularity
Again and again and again

Unlike the referendum. Which won't be held again.
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 19:11
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The UK will not be in the EU to take part in those discussions so there is little point in repeatedly raising it here.
Mr Angry of course there is someone who disagrees
If we hard Brexit I agree its an internal matter for the EU
If we don't hard Brexit it will be a problem we will need to negotiate with the EU for access to the EU markets
It possible we might in those negotiations get way without freedom of movement
More likely is we will have to formulate a compromise freedom of movement to get those access agreements
There is a lot of point in raising it here especially as that is one of the options David Davis raised today
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 19:32
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It possible we might in those negotiations get way without freedom of movement
More likely is we will have to formulate a compromise freedom of movement to get those access agreements
Well Norway and Switzerland have failed dismally to do either, as have all acceding nations to the EU.

Good luck
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 20:53
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It possible we might in those negotiations get way without freedom of movement
More likely is we will have to formulate a compromise freedom of movement to get those access agreements
There is a lot of point in raising it here especially as that is one of the options David Davis raised today
David Davis can raise all the options he likes. You could too if you were in his chair.

But believe it or not there will be another side to the table. And they have very different ideas about 'options'. Meanwhile the two-year clock will be counting down.
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 21:45
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Neither Norway or Switzerland are beating down the EU door to join as full members either
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 22:16
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Still waiting for answers to my questions Pace! I will give you a little clue they have ? after them
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 22:33
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Well this does not seem very sporting does it

European Commission to be appointed chief Brexit negotiator with UK

they demand we are totally upfront but are happy to do all their skullduggery behind closed doors.....
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 23:02
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they demand we are totally upfront but are happy to do all their skullduggery behind closed doors.....
That sounds like someone else this side of the channel
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 23:43
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Cmon pace answer my questions (another clue it was post 5582)
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 04:28
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Well this does not seem very sporting does it

European Commission to be appointed chief Brexit negotiator with UK

they demand we are totally upfront but are happy to do all their skullduggery behind closed doors.....
Contradicted by The Times today:

".....Other EU governments are likely to use the discussion on Brexit to veto plans to give the European Commission sole responsibility for negotiating.

It demanded Michel Barnier, the French former commissioner appointed as negotiator, be the only person in face-to-face talks with UK officials. This will be rejected at a dinner of 27 EU leaders who will insist that Jeppe Tranholm-Mikkelsen, a Danish diplomat representing European governments, is present in all negotiations.

“We have major issues at stake,” a European ambassador said. “We have to make sure there will be no meltdown at national parliament level when the final deal is facing ratification. That’s why a strict control is needed.”........
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