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Old 5th Dec 2016, 15:04
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WTO you Really are joking. You really think its as simple as that ? David Davis described our exit as the most complicated negotiation in history
From a position of hard Brexit he has completely flipped and started a EU market pressure group.
Why do you think he has changed but then I suppose your superior intellect knows better?
Davis hasn't changed at all he was replying to a question, only you think he has had a road to Damasus moment and is now wanting to stay a member of the single market. But watch it again and tell me how you jump from what he said to changing his position

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQnWQyjm_Dw

Now lets look at WTO, why is it not that simple? please enlighten us, how do countries like the USA,India and China deal with the EU? do they have free trade deals?

Do not just look at the direct trade balance as that gives a false picture of the EU benefits to the UK
Because of our stability because of our stable currency and our banking system London became the principal city of the EU.
A magnet for inward investment from all over the world
A magnet for large companies wanting unfettered access to the EU to make their bases here You really are so wrong in your assumptions
Ah Pace please tell me what those benefits are again? 78% of the city think that they will do very well outside the single market. If the banks were going to move they would have done so but are terrified of the EU regulations, that's why Frankfurt and Paris are so far down the list of major banking areas. If companies locate here for unfetterd access to the EU market alone then why are we in such a deficit with the EU? you would think that all the inward investment would make us a massive exporter into the EU and running a huge surplus? Now look at services, how come the USA sells more services to the EU than we do? Have they suddenly become a member as well. Why should we not look at the free trade balance? any competent businessman would do that or he would be out of business. As I have repeatedly pointed out 97% of UK companies do not deal with Europe.

Nobody is talking about not dealing with Europe, as I said it is in their own interests to offer us a free market deal as they have far more to lose than we do.

Now go and watch that question time and then tell me people didnt know what they were voting for
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 16:07
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Whatever makes you happy ) we have covered this ground time and time again whatever us playing ping pong will make no difference to how this all progresses or doesn't as the case may be
If the government win the court battle they can push through their vision until the next hurdle
If they don't they will have to persuade parliament for a hard brexit or the court may push it to the EU Court
Or the court will give Scotland a say
How this goes is out of our hands
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 16:09
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So Brexiters are not only liars, but crooks and fraudsters as well.

Seems to me like we need to re-introduce public floggings for these decidedly dodgy characters, and all their followers.

Form an orderly queue please.

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Old 5th Dec 2016, 16:28
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Thanks for posting that link, PDR1.

Without it I wouldn't have seen another story, totally irrelevant to Brexit but really heartwarming...

https://www.buzzfeed.com/victoriasan...nies-like-this
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 17:04
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Brexit Supreme Court: Jeremy Wright says giving MPs a vote on Article 50 undermines Parliament | London Evening Standard

First day appeal brexit and behaviour has really put the backs of the Supreme Court up as well as Parliament
Doesn't May have a clue how to represent the country only to divide ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.sta...?client=safari

This gives a hint to what the supreme judge hinted at that the 72 agreement may have to be repealed and changed before art 50 enactment
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 17:33
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As I predicted, the government case is that parliament had plenty of time to debate how any referendum decision would be implimented, when the decision was made to hold a referendum and abide by the results. No conditions were imposed at the time, so the royal prerogative is a suitable means of enacting Article 50.

As for the Prime Minister being responsible for dividing the country, that can be firmly laid at the feet of those portion of the 48% of losers who refuse to accept the result of a free and democratic process.

The Supreme Court is in any case ruling on a point of law and not whether the UK will leave the EU or not. That decision has already been taken by the voters. All that is left is the way in which the process to enact that separation takes place.

According to a Jeremy Vine show radio phone in, 80% of respondents did not expect single market access to EU markets when they voted to leave in the referendum. Kind of makes a mockery of those who claim people didn't know or realise what they were voting for.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 17:54
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No, it just shows the sort of reprobate who (a) listens to and (b) phones into the Jeremy Vine show.

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Old 5th Dec 2016, 18:17
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The Supreme Court Judge warned that the 72 act may have to be repealed and changed before art 50
The problem being art 50 if not as accepted is irrevocable then it contravenes EU law
If it is challenged to be revocable then only an EU Court can so determine it
Bag of worms going to the Supreme Court another government blunder
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 18:23
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Jeremy Vine show viewers

Doesn't matter if you love or hate them
They each have a vote like you and I

There is so much material which makes it clear that a LEAVE vote was to leave the single market, I don't know why it is still being discussed.
I am 💯 % sure, that whilst lib dems (btw, when will the Richmond by election be rerun please?) and SNP might vote agin it, the majority of other MPs will vote for it (perhaps with the exception of those that are retiring so don't care about the next general election).
Tories will impose a 3 line Mr. whippy.
Corbyn after being reminded by Tom Watson that he was risking further political suicide for Labour, has confirmed that with a bit of bluster and amendment Labour will support it.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 18:27
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Originally Posted by mrangryofwarlingham View Post
Doesn't matter if you love or hate them
They each have a vote like you and I
Indeed, but those who (a) listen to and (b) call in to the show are not a rep[resentative cross section of tevn the leave votors - they are primarily the brainless, ignorant and unemployable element, or they wouldn't be listening to the show in the first place.

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Old 5th Dec 2016, 18:35
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they are primarily the brainless, ignorant and unemployable element, or they wouldn't be listening to the show in the first place.
Unfortunately, in a Democracy, they each have a vote.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 18:45
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Indeed, but those who (a) listen to and (b) call in to the show are not a rep[resentative cross section of tevn the leave votors - they are primarily the brainless, ignorant and unemployable element, or they wouldn't be listening to the show in the first place.
Ah the voice of liberal tolerance again. There will probably be a lot of retired people and those who listen to the radio at work as well but if they voted leave they are brainless and ignorant.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 19:27
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has confirmed that with a bit of bluster and amendment Labour will support it.
Yes it's called a commitment to the single market
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 19:40
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The referendum result disagrees with that so-called commitment.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 20:07
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Not in any poll I have seen
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 20:13
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What poll?
There was a referendum.
"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"

Leave? Yes - 51.9%

Seems quite plain.
There were no qualifications whatsoever attached to the question.
No mention of keeping your treasured European servers that keep all the restaurants up to your standards or anything else.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 20:18
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80% of respondents did not expect single market access when they voted LEAVE

Should have been 100%
Don't know why the other 20% thought they should EXPECT single market access when voting LEAVE.

As for the listeners to his Radio 2 show.....I think quite a few are mothers with children.
Not the brainless ignorant unemployable you would paint them all to be.
Or perhaps retired......quite a few of those around these days you know.
But on this point, the Jeremy Vine listeners are showing more intelligence than some here....
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 20:39
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The brainless ignorant and unemployable

And even those that don't listen to Jeremy Vine but watch Jeremy Kyle, they all have a vote each too.

Bless them.
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 20:58
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Wow great poll yours ))

One of mine but many to choose from

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.tel...?client=safari

Or this one ? Show me one since the brexit vote which shows different ?
And I don't mean the Andy Pandy show one ))

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...?client=safari
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Old 5th Dec 2016, 21:09
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There is only one poll that actually means anything conclusive and that was carried out on the 23rd of June, everything else is wishful thinking by Remoaniacs and the posters of mindless drivel.
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