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Old 16th Jan 2018, 13:56
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Said by Tusk and only too true unless your an ideological brexiteer
Right out of the EU playbook Im afraid and you are falling for it.

Democracy as David Davis said in 2009 is all about the ability to change your mind
Not so to committed brexiteers who are shit scared of another vote and hence will give every reason but the real reason why not

Real reason they donít think they stand a chance in hell of winning a second vote
It was a one off on the tide of populism which has ebbed

Brexit was a FAD ( check in dictionary ) based on a wave of populism to hit here and the USA but a short lived obsession
Another reason why the will of the people should be confirmed
If thats the case then once we have left I am sure the newly formed PACE party will have a mandate to take us fully into the EU in less than 5 years. Now thats democracy
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 14:39
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Brexit will be determined by the EU and what they are prepared to give way on
It has recently come clear that a no deal WTO exit isnít really an option with the government
Where to from here
Norway wonít have us treated in a special way and 27 countries have to approve

Our best bet is to hold Macron to his word and have an experimental layer where access is allowed and where changes can be made or remade in collaboration with the EU
Experimental means no precedence set
The Swiss model was also experimental which then became accepted

They are stuck offering us anything which will threaten their structure

Sorry forming a rejoin party wonít work as it would cost us to rejoin

We either change approach and expectations or call it off before March 2019
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 14:59
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Sorry forming a rejoin party wonít work as it would cost us to rejoin

We either change approach and expectations or call it off before March 2019
If some of the camp fear predictions come to fruition you may be eligible to join in a decade or so as a net beneficiary. Provided you can get your debt and inflation under control.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 15:00
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Brexit will be determined by the EU and what they are prepared to give way on
It has recently come clear that a no deal WTO exit isnít really an option with the government
Where to from here
Norway wonít have us treated in a special way and 27 countries have to approve

Our best bet is to hold Macron to his word and have an experimental layer where access is allowed and where changes can be made or remade in collaboration with the EU
Experimental means no precedence set
The Swiss model was also experimental which then became accepted

They are stuck offering us anything which will threaten their structure

Sorry forming a rejoin party wonít work as it would cost us to rejoin

We either change approach and expectations or call it off before March 2019
No, our best bet is to stop fighting among ourselves and get behind the vote. The EU are masters at playing deivde and rule and if they think offering a bad deal will keep their off shore cash cow in line then thats what will be offered. If however the EU is convinced it needs to strike a deal with its largest and most profitable market (in surplus terms) in order to keep that market then it will do a deal. Currently with you remainers attempting to xubvert democracy they need to just sit back and offer nothing.

As for costing us to rejoin!! it is costing us already. This is supposed to be a free trade union except we pay £10Billion for the privilege of running a £88Billion defecit so hardly free. If you want to be part of the EU then go ahead and campaign to take us back in why are you afreaid to do so. After all if its so good then its worth the cost.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 15:16
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low intellect because those are the established signature characteristics of the brexit fraternity
For the first time ever I am putting some wa***r on ignore,
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 16:40
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Brexit was a FAD ( check in dictionary ) based on a wave of populism to hit here and the USA but a short lived obsession
Another reason why the will of the people should be confirmed
You have been reading too much Blair and Adonis Pace, read this it may help.

Brexit is a reaction to the rise of left-wing populism | Comment Central
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 17:03
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Look on the bright side. Once you free yourselves from the shackles of EU place of origin regulations you will be able to import things such as feta cheese, mozzarella cheese, Champagne, parma ham (to name a few) from all over the world.
I hope you are not suggesting Bury black pudding will now be made in say, Leipers Fork TN, or Jackson WY or....worse still......Yorkshire and /or the South East of England !

Let alone "Hollands " glorious products, their Steak and Kidney puddings in particular !
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 17:59
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
The more you read, the more disturbing American food standards become and here the law of unintended consequences may well apply....notably our securing a deal as a result of Brexit with a very tangible degradation in our food consumption standards as a result.
There's nothing unintended about that at all - getting rid of EU regulations was exactly what people voted for.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 18:28
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Look on the bright side. Once you free yourselves from the shackles of EU place of origin regulations you will be able to import things such as feta cheese, mozzarella cheese, Champagne, parma ham (to name a few) from all over the world.
Not forgetting, misshapen bananas !
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 18:35
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"vanishingly low intellect because those are the established signature characteristics of the brexit fraternity."

Is that because our brain shows as a black hole on their wx radar.
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 18:40
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Junk food, convenience foods, microwave meals, and corn sugar sweetners exist all around the world. They are not exclusive to the US. The US bans certain food stuffs and products that are commonly consumed in the UK because they deem them harmful to health.

Brexit has very little to do with whether people eat junk food. Those that prefer to eat those types of food will continue to do so no matter where it comes from.

Good, nutritious and cheap food is readily available, but takes time and effort to prepare.

Look at the remain supporters arguments for remaining in the EU and they all devolve down to how much it will cost and how much effort will be involved. Just the sort of attitude you would expect from people who have poisoned their brains from years of eating junk food.

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Old 16th Jan 2018, 19:45
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I hope you are not suggesting Bury black pudding will now be made in say, Leipers Fork TN, or Jackson WY or....worse still......Yorkshire and /or the South East of England !
They can try Krystal but they will never be as good as the ones on Bury market
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Old 16th Jan 2018, 19:56
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Harry Ramsdens in York used to be the destination for my flying Club years back

They set up in Australia and were importing everything from the UK to keep the authenticity
Dont know how long they kept that up before sourcing locally probably a marketing gimmick

Best Fish and chips people travelled miles for

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Old 16th Jan 2018, 21:03
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Harry Ramsdens in York used to be the destination for my flying Club years back

They set up in Australia and were importing everything from the UK to keep the authenticity
Dont know how long they kept that up before sourcing locally probably a marketing gimmick

Best Fish and chips people travelled miles for
My better half has an auntie in Guiseley the home of the orignal Ramsdans. They never tasted the same as when they were form there.
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 10:20
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 10:41
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Protectionism, terratorialism, herd instinct ? All the 3 come to mind with brexit
Basic animal instinct which is not the right way forward in an ever expanding and interdependent world

InFact all the things Brexiteers accuse the EU of including anti democracy are the hallmark of themselves

Having said that the EU too need to look at themselves and the fact that not everyone has the same vision of a united states of the EU
For that to be successful is not now but when there is more parity between member countries

That will require investment in the developing EU countries and Maybe the Macron outer circle membership idea could help supply that
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 12:23
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Protectionism, terratorialism, herd instinct ? All the 3 come to mind with brexit
Basic animal instinct which is not the right way forward in an ever expanding and interdependent world
Sounds just like the EU to me. Lets face it the single market is all about protectionism, while "ever closer Union is all about terratorialism and herd instinct. Theres a big wide world outside of "fortress EU" lets be a part of it instead of an inward looking monolith that is stuck in the past.

That will require investment in the developing EU countries and Maybe the Macron outer circle membership idea could help supply that
A vassal state doing what it is told and becoming ever poorer because money flows downhill (your words) What a thing to wish for
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 13:04
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A vassal state doing what it is told and becoming ever poorer because money flows downhill (your words) What a thing to wish for
That is, in essence, what you clowns voted for.
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 13:42
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That is, in essence, what you clowns voted for.
Always the insult , no it isnt, we are happy to trade with the EU as any other country in the world does but do not want to be subjected to EU laws. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Old 17th Jan 2018, 14:25
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The biggest problem the EU has is expansion hence many countries have come in like Romania who cannot at this stage be compared to Germany or the U.K.
Romania is an amazing country which should thrive on tourism and will do

But these countries need investment and FOM as presently designed means that many up and leave for good in search of a better life
As in the case of Poland most arethe Young and as with Poland their loss was our gain

Prior to 2016 the EU was shaky but has since improved dramatically so the idea of water flowing down was more relevant then than now

My idea of brexit was to first force change and to second if that chsnge was not forthcoming to purely rectify the extremes in a brexi while staying very close and firmly operating in the SM

The route May has taken cutting away like this can have no light at the end of the tunnel as it is isolationist and ignores the fact that a lot of our present success is due to our position
In the EU
How would Florida do if it cut away from
The USA ? Would that expand the economy of Florida

, we are happy to trade with the EU as any other country in the world does but do not want to be subjected to EU laws. Why is that so hard to understand?
That is very big of you ? You are happy to trade with our biggest and closest market as like anywhere else in the world ?
Sorry to shatter your dream but for unfettered seamless trade you need to play by their rules or lose a lot of that trade and the magnetic effect of the inward investment that market brought to us
That s such a childish blinkered comment you made there

Since the brexit vote I have been waiting for the economic argument of brexit as only through a strong economy can you pay for things like the NHS
There has been zero economic argument for brexit and just childish excuses of the economy isn’t everything

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