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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 10:17
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Above the Clouds - actually it is of great significance. There are many on here calling for borders to be closed, as if that is going to make the problem go away.

The fact is that all European countries have large numbers of citizens who were not born in the country in which they are now living. It's early days, but we understand this man was of dual German-Iranian citizenship. Closing the borders is not going to get rid of him, and others like him. As I pointed out on another thread, making my daughter's partner, who is of Indian parentage, "go back where he came from" would only involve him driving down the M1 from Nottingham to London!

No good shutting the stable doors now - the horses are all inside!
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 10:21
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Forget Islam, the real terror threat in Germany has been identified...

Protestant Theologian: 'Radical Bible Groups' A Bigger Threat To Teens Than Islamism

Yes, a papercut from one of their tracts might cause mayhem!

You have been warned
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 10:22
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"........The 18-year-old German-Iranian man who opened fire in a crowded Munich shopping mall and a nearby McDonald's,killing nine people and wounding 16 others before killing himself, has been named in reports as Ali Sonly. Posing as a teenage girl called 'Selina Akim', Sonboly is thought to have used messages posted on a fake Facebook account to lure young victims to their death with fraudulent offers of free food just hours before his murderous rampage began......"

It would appear he has only been in Germany for 2 years. Refugee bringing family to join him perhaps? And the son obviously not fitting in/being accepted and exacting revenge. Time will tell if he was groomed and armed.

....."The taxi driver's son had both German and Iranian citizenship but had only been in the country for 2 years"........

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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 11:13
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Can we sort out all bullshit around it and get clear information?

When and where shooting(s?) occurred?
How much shooters was in total?
How much causalities?
Was shooter(s) arrested, or shouted by police or he (they?) believed to kill themselves?
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 11:43
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Without wishing to downplay the threat of Islamic radicalisation I sort of get this worry of Christian groups. Within the last few years two churches have appeared within half a mile of my old business site.

They seem to have mass attendances with traffic problems in the area surrounding them, such are their numbers. These people are fairly radical themselves, eschewing "modern" technology, radio, TV, computers etc and indulging in happy flappy religions. Recently one of them has taken to posting teenage members with sandwich boards on the main road offering a free lunch to anyone who will attend.

An obvious attempt to draw in the poor. I may wander down one day.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 12:07
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Shooter used a Glock 17 and had 300 rounds carried in his backpack.
Source unknown, serial was rasped off.

We need stricter gun control.. oh wait.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 12:13
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News just coming in that German police say he was not an immigrant but born in Bavaria. Had been known to police as a victim of bullying and was seeking psychiatric and medical treatment. No link to ISILISISDASHDOOBOGEYMAN
And I just read totally opposite in the news: he was not alone, there were three shooters and two escaped, he was Iranian, his name was Ali, he was Islamic radical, he live in Germany only two years and before mass killing he posted in Faecesbook under faked name of Arabian girl invitation to free lunch at MacDo' at the killing time.

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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 12:29
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Exactly how does closing borders during the current infiltration of Refugee ranks fail to help prevent Terrorists from gaining entrance to Western Nations? Please do explain that to us please!




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Above the Clouds - actually it is of great significance. There are many on here calling for borders to be closed, as if that is going to make the problem go away.

The fact is that all European countries have large numbers of citizens who were not born in the country in which they are now living. It's early days, but we understand this man was of dual German-Iranian citizenship. Closing the borders is not going to get rid of him, and others like him. As I pointed out on another thread, making my daughter's partner, who is of Indian parentage, "go back where he came from" would only involve him driving down the M1 from Nottingham to London!

No good shutting the stable doors now - the horses are all inside!
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 12:30
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Not sure where you read that Kulverstukas.

The police statement said that he was born in Munich, had dual German/Iranian nationality, had no links to radical islam or ISIS, but had a fascination with mass killings and killers such as Anders Brevik.

He had also been treated for depression and had been bullied at school. This bullying had led to him promising to take revenge.

Total nut job.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 12:43
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Not sure where you read that Kulverstukas.
All over the newsfeed yesterday and today. I not doubt police statement, I just point out at quality of information media feeding public with.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 13:25
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I merely asked, in light of the report of one of the Killer being dead, whether a Court could inflict a result greater than that. Dead seems pretty well up at the Top of the Scale for severity to me.
It all comes down to beliefs and what you think may happen to you after you die.
If you are a suicide bomber or a gunman who wants to get killed after slaughtering a few dozen infidels and you have been brainwashed into believing that if you die after performing what is your sacred duty you will go straight to paradise, then spending the rest of your life locked up may well be far worse than dying at the scene of your crime.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 14:46
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. No Islamic link or motive.
A Muslim with a gun, like the numerous other mass killings lately.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 15:17
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If only everyone around him had carried! *murica logic*
Yeah the "insane" murican gun culture and the "barbaric" murican gun laws claim still more victims. This could never happen in an enlightened Western European nation. Never.

...............O wait.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 15:19
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Hi,

the nutcase in Nice called himself French just because he held a French passport similar MO to other terrorist recently.
False !
This man was resident in France with a "resident visa" .. not a french passport (permis de séjour) expiring after 10 years
His nationality was Tunisian
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 15:58
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All over the newsfeed yesterday and today. I not doubt police statement, I just point out at quality of information media feeding public with.
If you have even the faintest of professional relation with aviation, you know from experience the words 'quality' and 'journalism' are mutually exclusive in the mass media, particularly in the first 24 hours of an event taking place. It has gone progressively worse over recent years, as journalists are being replaced by computers grabbing 'feeds' off social media and presenting it as news.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 16:05
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The usual left wing media is wetting itself with excitement over the news that it was not an Islam related incident.

They have already pinned an Andres Brevick on him.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 16:15
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They have already pinned an Andres Brevick on him.
Wasn't Brevic's massacre counter-Islam incident? So it was still "Islam related".
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 16:25
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'He always said he would kill us': Classmate reveals Munich loner was 'mobbed' during seven years of bullying at school... and promised revenge on his tormentors one day
•Former classmate of Ali Sonboly said they 'always mobbed him in school'


Classmate reveals Munich loner Ali Sonboly was 'mobbed' during seven years of bulling | Daily Mail Online
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 17:25
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I detect the news media is somewhat perplexed as the incident didn't follow their script!

The BBC were falling over themselves to link the attack with Nice, Wurzburg, Paris etc. but is turns out the guy is a German, with joint German and Iranian nationality, and far from being a follower of ISIS / Daesh is actually more aligned with Breivik, the 5th anniversary of who's atrocity was this weekend.

What is frightening is the suggestion i just heard on BBC Radio 4 that he potentially hacked a Facebook account and lured the young people, who numbered many of the dead and injured to McDonalds. If so he was clearly a very bitter and twisted person - very much in the mould of Breivik.
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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 17:28
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One thing I have a question about how did he know how to shoot and how did he know the gun worked? I've seen naturals and glocks are very operational but ??? Most of my guns had issues out of the box, including very expensive european manufactured ones.
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