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Basic lack of fundamental knowledge!

Old 13th May 2016, 21:26
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Basic lack of fundamental knowledge!

An item on TV news about the father who took his child out of school for a holiday included some 'vox pop' observations.

One woman said "it's all the fault of the travel agents. They have to stop charging more for holidays in school holiday time".

What?

Doesn't it occur to her it's about supply and demand? There's a finite supply of aeroplane seats and hotel rooms, and there's a bigger demand for them in school holiday times, so in those times the price rises.

Bleedin obvious, isn't it?

If I have something to sell and lots of people want it, I'll get more for it than if few are interested.

How can any adult not understand that very basic rule of supply and demand?
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Old 13th May 2016, 21:50
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This is a new problem. It must be. When my brother and I and all our friends were in school, there were never any cases of parents pulling their children out of school for a bit of a vacation.
And we all had holidays - we usually drove somewhere interesting when work and school breaks permitted.
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Old 13th May 2016, 22:17
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Given wi-fi's impact on formal learning, being absent from the class-room at mid-term for a few weeks will be of little consequence..
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Old 13th May 2016, 22:36
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Travel Agents?

I remember travel agents. They became extinct about 30 years ago.

I also remember from almost 50 years ago the cardinal rule of airline staff travel - don-t try and standby to anywhere warm during the school holidays.
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Old 14th May 2016, 06:16
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Originally Posted by Shaggy Sheep Driver View Post
One woman said "it's all the fault of the travel agents. They have to stop charging more for holidays in school holiday time".
No they don't, they give discounts during term time.
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Old 14th May 2016, 06:23
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Given the general competence of school leavers,
being absent from the class-room at mid-term for a few weeks will be of little consequence.
Fixed that for you.
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Old 14th May 2016, 08:19
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I wonder how much that fatuous exercise cost the council in terms of legal fees? There should be a complaint to the District Auditor, especially if the decision to appeal was made by a council officer rather than the whole council. Presumably the parent gets his costs paid?
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Old 14th May 2016, 10:49
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When this argument comes up and the airlines are demonised for putting fares up during school holidays I always use this.

When do you pay most for a Turkey August or December?

It is simple supply and demand when the demand goes up the price follows. Simples!
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Old 14th May 2016, 11:02
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Why are there still terms? in this day and age it would seem much more user friendly to have the schools in session 52 weeks a year, with teachers and students allowed 6 weeks off just like businesses.

Yes the schools would have to staff accordingly (good for the economy) but kids and parents could actually get time off at the same times. Smooths out the peaks and valleys in transport as well.

Not every family wants time off at Christmas or Easter. Today those are popular only because you have a few days bunched together giving people 'extra' time on their holidays.

Solution to this is scrap all the current 'bank holidays' and make the third Monday of every month a day off. Simples
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Old 14th May 2016, 11:15
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This was headline news yesterday. What an absolute pile of tosh, must have been a slow news day.
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wonder how much that fatuous exercise cost the council in terms of legal fees? There should be a complaint to the District Auditor, especially if the decision to appeal was made by a council officer rather than the whole council. Presumably the parent gets his costs paid?
I think one of the papers put it at over 30,000.

ExxB hits the nail on the head. 30 years ago summer holidays were spread over the summer period, Scotland had the first 2 weeks in June, we had last week in June, first week in July and Wigan which is next door had the first 2 weeks in July. The further south you went the later the holidays became, this stopped a peak rush where everyone was trying to book in the same 6 weeks as now.
There was no need to change it but the last Labour govt couldnt help meddling.
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Old 14th May 2016, 11:35
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Why are there still terms?

Probably so the politicians can have their undeserved long holidays along with the kids.
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Old 14th May 2016, 11:44
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Scotland had the first 2 weeks in June
I still fondly remember my dad getting the "trades week" off, from what I understood Glasgow had one week and Edinburgh another so that the "trades" would not all be off at the same time.

Then again we used to get holidays off in October which were referred to as the "tattie holidays", which goes back to the days when the schools closed so the kids could help get the crops lifted (particularly the potato harvest) out of the fields.

I think the schools would object to changing the school year too much, so it the supply and demand cycle will no doubt continue....
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Old 14th May 2016, 11:50
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Sure I heard on a radio prog once, the holidays in the peak times are the correct price. The cheaper holidays outwith the peak times are discounted to attract folk to slots that are paid for in advance by tour operators.
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Old 14th May 2016, 12:37
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Should children's education be fatally interrupted by taking a week off in term times they had better not catch a cold. Far better for them to continue their education and give it to all the other kids.
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Old 14th May 2016, 14:06
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It's what you describe as education ? Is education life experience of sampling different places and different cultures or learning geography at school? You could argue that you learn more from
Practical knowledge or that both aspects are needed to get a true understanding

But then a week around a swimming pool in Benedorm is hardly an experience of the country ))

Nevertheless I can see the frustration of parents on a tight budget being confined to the holiday rip off weeks of school breaks and the temptation of choosing a cheaper time with the excuse that little Willy is gone down with some strange virus )
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Old 14th May 2016, 14:19
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Originally Posted by G-ALAN View Post
This was headline news yesterday. What an absolute pile of tosh, must have been a slow news day.
Doubt the 64,000 families that got fined between Sep 2013 and Aug 2014 would agree with you.
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Doubt the 64,000 families that got fined between Sep 2013 and Aug 2014 would agree with you.
The fact that paying the fine was still cheaper than the peak rate holiday price probably means that the fines are going to go up now.
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Old 14th May 2016, 15:09
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Do as you're told. If we say you can't take your kids away from school then you can't, so there! Does this apply in Academies, I wonder?
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Old 14th May 2016, 16:11
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A head master or mistress with the authority to make a case by case decision based on the child's attendance and teacher's report should be the norm. It worked at my son's primary school!
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