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Old 26th Mar 2016, 10:22
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Originally Posted by handsfree View Post
Maybe the CPS will now tell us who "Nick" is and bring charges for wasting millions in taxpayers money with his fantasy allegations against public figures?

Not holding my breath on that one!

(Not forgetting the slime-ball Labour MP Tom Watson who peddled them)
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 10:35
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Originally Posted by seen_the_box
Originally Posted by Hempy
You mean like at a Donald Trump rally?
Are Donald Trump's supporters somehow less deserving of the right to freedom of speech than others?
Who mentioned Trump supporters?



Originally Posted by Kitbag
We have, as a nation, I hope moved on from that attitude, due in some no small part to the PC brigade...

...And as for your quote from Timothy, that is the best description of how I and many others view the PC cheerleaders.
A small whiff of contradiction.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 10:49
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Mr G-AWZK. I have just read your post about the sad state of this thread. It is the most condescending, holier than thou intolerant diatribe I have seen on PPRuNe. Applauded by the usual left wing apologists. Your reference to the window lickers particularly attracted my attention. I believe it refers to mentally disabled people.
I have a child who is mentally disabled and find your reference offensive. He went to a school where there were profoundly disabled children.
I have never been a complainer about name calling and believe that today's population is weak and in for a big fall. I don't know whether you are pontificating about posts which you consider racist, sexist or ageist on this thread but attacking the posters with an opposing view with insulting bile is not really conducive to changing their outlook.
The others who piled in should be ashamed as well.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 11:12
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 11:32
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" Are Donald Trump's supporters somehow less deserving of the right to freedom of speech than others " ?

Not at all, they are as entitled as we all are in this respect.....whether they can articulate this freedom of speech however remains unlikely.... given the examples we have witnessed so far.

That, and you may have missed the iterations from "the Donald" as to the use of violence to suppress free speech, notably against those who are perceptive as to his philosophies and wish to countenance them using....free speech.

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Old 26th Mar 2016, 12:30
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This is politics today...

Nothing but media manipulation, suppressing other points of view and shouting yours louder. All the Internet has done is make it easier.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 12:34
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It must be tough to accept, when you get into your twilight years, that society evolves. I notice that the most vocal supporters of far-right ideology here are in their 60's and 70's (except for bugged on the right, who joined PPRuNe at the age of 1, and at the grand old age of 17 has a child who has been through school).

I sympathise (not empathise) with you all. It must be tough not being able to fit in with the majority of society any more. In a few decades time I might feel exactly the same way.

Luckily I was born of a generation that was taught to think for themselves, so I doubt it though.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 12:37
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Originally Posted by G-AWZK View Post
Maybe there are those like me who usually just can't be arsed to reply to some of the more brainless, bigoted, moronic drivel that some slack-jawed knuckle dragging muppet actually took the time and trouble to type into a computer.
There are a few who join in occasionally and, like you, I suspect there are some additional decent people who CBA to join in, it being something of a waste time as nothing we say is going to give the knuckle-draggers an instant IQ boost.


There does seem to be something about the arse-end of online forums, doesn't there - see also the comments sections of the Wail or your favourite local rag.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 12:50
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Originally Posted by Hempy View Post
A small whiff of contradiction.
No contradiction, life is complicated, I agree with some things I have seen you post in the past, and totally reject some of your other views. I acknowledge that being PC has changed some attitudes, or at least outcomes, for the better, including mine. To take a simplistic view is understandable, but not constructive.
In the case of the Tweeter charges have been dropped, but only, it is reported, because the correct procedure was not followed. It would be interesting to see whether CPS would have supported the charge.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 12:58
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I wouldn't take too much notice of the age bit on the left, Hempy, just like your upside down location notice. Trivia. I saw an observation on the chalkboard outside the local butchers the other day. It is very appropriate to the present generation. I presume you are a little older as you seem to have served in one of the armed forces. In 1944, young men of 20 were jumping out of aircraft over Holland and they were terrified they were going to die. Today, young men of 20 are terrified of being bullied on facebook. There has been a sliding scale here and I doubt you are of a generation taught HOW to think for yourself. I believe you were taught WHAT to think
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 13:14
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bugged on the right,

I served my return of service obligation as per my commission and then said goodbye. I'm in my early 40's. Maybe I was influenced by my 'hippy generation' of teachers at school, but I can assure you that I am 'open minded'. I also consider myself a 'centralist', despite what I'm accused of being on here. If treating humans as humans, refusing to stereotype individuals into a group, and recognising that we all bleed red blood regardless of 'race' (although I believe we all belong to the Human Race), religion or creed makes me a so called 'leftist', then I'm happy to wear the tag. It's better than the alternative.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 13:23
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Originally Posted by Hempy View Post
If treating humans as humans, refusing to stereotype individuals into a group, and recognising that we all bleed red blood regardless of 'race' (although I believe we all belong to the Human Race), religion or creed makes me a so called 'leftist', then I'm happy to wear the tag.
I wouldn't call that "leftist", I'd call it "liberal".


Where the "leftists" fall down, for me, is on the "stereotype individuals into a group" - they just luurve to deal with "groups" and really can't cope with dealing with individual people.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 13:51
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The left have been working relentlessly to destroy Western civilization for a hundred years or more.
Yes, damn those lefty huge fluff activists who have been undermining Western civilisation with their democracy, universal suffrage, rights to secret ballots, their demands for a 40 hour working week, safety in the workplace, demands for decent housing, demands for rent caps to stop landlords from gouging the market in wartime, equal rights for women, opposition to fascism, demands for a living wage, creation of social systems that protects the elderly and vulnerable from starvation and poor health. How diabolical that they were the driving force behind a national health service that protects the weakest and poorest amongst us (as well as the richest), ensuring that education is provided for all, preventing child labour, getting employers to abide by contracts and gave us the weekend. Damn those lefties for destroying Western civilisation.

What you actually mean is that you're arrogant enough to assume that somehow you are the sole arbiter of what views are correct. A very common point of view amongst the liberal left. The left is very good at attacking people, but rather less proficient at attacking ideas or providing a counterpoint. They seem uninterested in actually debating issues, and rather more interested in spewing invective and throwing around insults. It's truly pathetic.
Oh dear. Please look up, my point is passing you at FL370.
My opinion is that right-wing knuckle draggers are in general patronising sanctimonious ass-hats and you don't disappoint.

The extract of your post above says to me 'well that's what we used to do so it's ok.
kitbag, my point is absolutely NOT that. You can join the other sanctimonious ass hat looking up at FL370.
Point I am trying to make here is that, on balance, there seems to be more bigotry being reported as being displayed by followers of Islam than non followers.
So, you will have some sort of evidence to back up your "opinion-as-fact" point? The West of Scotland is still rife with protestant/catholic, Rangers/Celtic, St Ninians/Stoneybridge High School bigotry.

bugged on the right, i got you a ticket and reserved you a prime seat on this...


The incredible irony of this thread is that a number of posts have already been removed.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 14:11
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UniFoxOs. Thanks for the advice. They certainly are blind to what is actually happening. Not only blind but in some cases nasty. I can see where Corbyn gets it from. Thank goodness we occasionaly get a decent PM who knows how to handle them. Margaret Thatcher being one who comes to mind immediately.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 14:23
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Oswald Mosley would probably fit your bill quite adequately as well.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 14:33
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And just for you Hempy, John Howard.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 14:42
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Sadly for dear John, he lost his local seat as standing Prime Minister in a Federal election. A pretty embarrassing way to go out.
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 15:19
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Its been dropped apparently the Met overstepped its powers and have been slapped down by the CPS. Not before the guy spent two days in custody though

CPS tells Met Police they had NO right to charge Matthew Doyle over Brussels tweet | Daily Mail Online
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 17:35
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Is it me or does The Donald appear to be Iain Paisley pt deux?
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Old 26th Mar 2016, 17:40
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BOTR: think you have it 180 out. The standard of education isn't what it was. You would be surprised at how well educated and self disciplined the old 'working class' used to be. A bit too deferential for modern tastes maybe but not everything has got worse. To think the Daily Mirror used to be a literate intelligent and respected newspaper.
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