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Old 18th Mar 2016, 17:35
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Back in my days as a rally navigator I, amongst many of my brethren, suffered from the deadly 'Mal de Nav'. My personal solution was always take a couple of double-strength Kwells and a large Scotch about 5 minutes before the start. Topped up at half-way it worked well.
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Old 18th Mar 2016, 17:50
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OP here. Thanks everyone. Important advice here was "enjoy the day". Should not lose sight of that! Early start to get to Sydney, Yee-haah!
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Old 18th Mar 2016, 23:21
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I went flying in an Auster of the HKAAF one Sunday morning. The pilot had been on the beer the night before and 20 minutes into the flight was decidedly queasy. We were wearing throat mikes, and the sound of someone throwing up through a throat mike was quite spectacular.

This particular Auster didn't have dual controls and I was worried that if he passed out I was going to have to heave him out over the New Territories in order to get into his seat and get back to Kai Tak. He was a big bloke and I wasn't sure if I could manage it!

Fortunately after a good chunder he was as right as reign, but he did curtail the flight just in case.
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Old 19th Mar 2016, 02:18
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Definitely agree that, if you're flying the aircraft, there's much less effect.....
Recently had a ride in the back seat of a dedicated aerobatic aircraft - registration ZK-NUT ! very apt - that the pilot claimed would achieve a rate of roll of 420 deg/second, and he tried to prove the pilots' handbook correct.

I wasn't sick but found that I couldn't drive home in a straight line, the damned car kept drifting across the centre line ! Luckily, with only 4 mill. population in an area similar to the British isles, the lack of opposing traffic on the drive home from the airport is regular feature, so I made it to bed and was OK next morning.
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Old 19th Mar 2016, 13:26
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I found when taking pax for an aeros session that talking through what you're doing helps.. "We'll lower the nose now to gain the entry speed, and then I'll pull the nose up and you'll feel the 'G'. ....Rolling now.... through the inverted... aaaand as we finish the roll, gently raising the nose to level flight again".

Ask your driver to do that, the patter slightly ahead of his/her actions so you know what's coming. As a last resort, ask if you can have the stick and fly the aeroplane.

I once took a young girl up and she was 'a natural'. Never flown before but could hold straight and level like an autopilot. Started with some steep turns, which she loved, and progressed to a full aeros session (in a Chippy so all pretty 'Sunday morning' stuff). I used the 'talking though' technique throughout and she really enjoyed it.

But on arrival back at base I did my usual 'bank and yank' turn cross wind to down wind (roll to about 70 degrees and pull hard) without any warning. That's when she barfed! My fault entirely... It was the unexpectedness of the manouvre that caused the barfing.

knowing what your driver is about to do helps enormously.
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Old 19th Mar 2016, 14:04
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Other than people with Ear Disease I am pretty sure its psychological that is why the gadgets costing 100 work. Of course they give the confidence placebo effect.
To prove it paint a 12 inch black line on the road? You will walk along it with absolute confidence. Now place a 12 in square beam between two skyscraper buildings and do the same.
My guess is you would suffer vertigo, dizziness and be nauseated. Still the same 12 inch line only one on the ground the other 500 feet up / Its all in the head

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Old 19th Mar 2016, 19:03
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Has it happened yet?
Because personally, I can't see you CANT be sick. I can see it going all over the cockpit. Walls, floor, roof, panel....everywhere.

Thinking about though, he'll have to clean his own aircraft so you'll have the last laugh really. Sit back and enjoy the chunder express.

And we want pics.
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 03:13
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Boss & I were pax on a local flight around Traralgon. All calm, neither of us with a history of air sickness, but as we descended through the plume of noxious fumes from the APM paper mill, he was suddenly and violently chunderous.

Blind mate tells me that blindies don't suffer from motion sickness, because it is caused by disagreement between what you're seeing and what your inner ear is telling you. If you're not seeing anything, no problem.
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 09:34
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My forty five years of recreational flying in gliders has been cursed with airsickness on many of my flights of over an hour or so. There have been exceptions; I've been aloft for well over five hours without any problems, and occasionally I've had to land after only twenty or thirty minutes. I've tried most cures - none of them were reliable, and a couple were downright dangerous (inducing drowsiness) despite prior testing on the ground.

I'm pretty sure that it's psychological. There were several occasions whilst trying for the five hour duration test, when it occurred to me after a couple of hours, that I hadn't been crook yet. That was all it needed. Soon thereafter I was looking upon my breakfast in one of the plastic bags I always carried in the case of such an event.

It was a real pest; I loved the sport, and the challenge, but these happenings certainly diluted the extra enjoyment which I might have experienced.

Strangely perhaps, I don't seem to be affected by seasickness. There have been a couple of seriously rough ferry crossings which caused others to turn green, and vehicles to shift on the lower decks, and yet I came through without adverse symptoms. Perhaps I should have taken up sailing rather than gliding .....
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 10:06
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I usually don't suffer with airsickness but on one occasion went up with an aerobatic pilot in a serious aerobatic machine. He went through the full procedure s of aerobatic manoeuvres and high G at that and suddenly I felt very nauseous.
I wasn't actually sick but when he gave me the machine to try some manoeuvres myself I did a couple and called it a day.

Violent motion can cause sickness but there is more to it than that and thinking of the 12 inch line on a road and 12 inch beam between two high buildings it shows how strong a psychological basis there is to it

Most people unless they are tight rope walkers with a 500 foot drop would feel dizzy nauseated and unsteady and that is all in the mind its called vertigo
the props like armbands or fancy electronic devices are just placebos

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Old 20th Mar 2016, 10:20
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Scopoderm patches

During a career in offshore survey / construction I've rarely had motion sickness problems, those times that I did were usually related to polluted water tanks.

The worst case Id observed was a guy from the office joined a seismic vessel offshore Sarawak. He was sick getting on board and stayed that way for the next few days. Sharing a cabin with him was no fun. I was becoming seriously worried about him de-hydrating and suffering other medical complications. One of the crew who had been an Alaskan fisherman gave me a Scopoderm pad to try on the office guy. The result was amazing, he was up and having lunch inside half an hour.

The Scopoderm pad is like a small round elastoplast and is stuck on behind the ear. It seems to de-tune the inner ear motion sensing system, which as mentioned above, is in conflict with what is being observed by the eyes. Being a skin absorption system, it doesn't have to deal with a stomach that is in revolt. I have heard that you can become dependent on them.

After twenty-five years of GA flying I've still only got a twenty-minute tolerance to mild aerobatics.
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 13:11
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Although I've never been sick whilst airborne, I have encountered mild motion sickness on occasions. Some practical tips that work for me...

Consumption - Flying on an empty stomach is usually a bad idea. Eat within a few hours before the sortie.

Nerves - Being nervous during the flight won't help. Take deep breaths, relax and enjoy the experience.

Concentration - Don't focus the mind on being sick. Preoccupy it with everything else - like how cool you are flying a FJ . Take the stick (with permission of course!) and do some flying for example.

Heat - Keep cool. It may be a cold winters day on the ground, but up there that bubble canopy will double as super efficient greenhouse. Dress wisely.

Focus - If the world starts to blur, you're doing it wrong. Keep a fixed point of reference on the ground, even during aeros. Follow maneuvers with your head/eyes and maintain a solid "picture" outside.
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 13:42
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I am sure we have all experienced at some time drinking too much at a party etc and the room going round with the resultant nausea?
Fixating on one point stops that sensation of things spinning
Maybe not a good example but something worth trying to keep your eyes fixed on something in the cockpit

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Old 20th Mar 2016, 18:20
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OP here again. Back again and it was the experience of a lifetime. It was a 25 minute ride and towards the end I was a bit queasy but managed to keep it all "together". Interestingly, I found the positive Gs OK (but of course a physical strain) but I think the fast rolls were what contributed to the queasiness. In the roll there is a lot of sensory input crowding into the brain - rapidly changing visual along with the ear balance fluids all over the place. Brain says "OK, that's enough..."

But what a great experience. And a privilege to briefly share that very special world. I would recommend anyone who gets this opportunity to take it up.

Many thanks to Ray & Jay and the team for making such a memorable day. And to my kind and generous family for sponsoring it.

They gave me an mp4. I will try my hand at clipping together a U-tube some time. (Will edit out some of my more stupid comments...)

And thank you to the contributors on this thread.
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Old 21st Mar 2016, 14:13
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I'd recommend getting your semi-circular canals desensitized.
Try spinning your head around a bit until you feel queasy. Stop. Wait awhile, repeat...
Gradually you will build up a tolerance. I used a rotating typist's chair as my own personal spin table.

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Old 21st Mar 2016, 18:57
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Good advice Zeus.
I went along for assessment for the IAM desensitizing course, not realising that I had an incipient heavy cold developing . If I had known then what I know now................
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Old 22nd Mar 2016, 13:03
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I have been recommended a good dose of ginger before flying to keep my very sensitive motion sickness away. It does seem to work. Crystalized ginger cubes in my flying box, take during the first bit of the preflight routine and top up as required for the rest of the day.

Last time I was a bit "green looking" was towards the end of a two hour leg in a microlight en route for Chartres. It was a day when loads of Brits were on their way to the Blois microlight fair. It was hot, sunny and the winds were light and the air was extremely thermal. We were tossed around like a cork in a bucket.

Upon landing I found that I was not the only one suffering. A number of the pilots were calling it quits and busy trying to find overnight accommodation in the town. I loaded up with ginger, drank several coffees, refuelled my aircraft and by then it was getting on for 6pm. The sun was losing its strength and my partner said I had my colour back so we reasoned that the last hour down to Blois would be smoother going so we went. I was OK.

My partner always wears Aquabands which seem to work for her but to be on the safe side she takes the ginger as well.
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Old 22nd Mar 2016, 13:19
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I'd recommend getting your semi-circular canals desensitized.
Try spinning your head around a bit until you feel queasy. Stop. Wait awhile, repeat...
Gradually you will build up a tolerance. I used a rotating typist's chair as my own personal spin table.

You maybe onto something there I was in Egypt and some local traditional dancers were doing a routine where they spun with a circular gown held high. As they sped up the gown rose to make a large high spinning umbrella
they did this at very high rotational speed and at the end walked off perfectly steady and balanced

they then asked if anyone in the audience which like to try and I stupidly offered
I spun this thing with Glee but on stopping could hardly stand and walked around like someone who had drunk a bottle of whisky in one eventually losing balance and falling over feeling like a clown in the process.

They had obviously trained their balance mechanism to tolerate such abuse

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Old 22nd Mar 2016, 14:29
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Advice (already give twice here) by Spike Milligna* in his Adolf Hitler and my part in his Downfall as a cure for sea-sickness (motion sickness):
'Sit under a tree'.

* That well known typing error.
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Old 25th Mar 2016, 18:11
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Eat lightly two hours before, keep hydrated, and avoid alcohol for at least 48 hours before hand.
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