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Old 17th Oct 2015, 03:59
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Hunter shoots 40yo Zimbabwean elephant outside national park, hunting group says - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 04:52
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No I can't. Never been able to understand such a mentality.
Most would put it down to small pe*is syndrome.
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 05:00
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No I can't. Never been able to understand such a mentality.
Most would put it down to small pe*is syndrome.
Yeah, I was about to say, "trying to fill out a sagging jockstrap"
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 05:34
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Latter day Ernest Hemingways. Didn't he write about shooting a grey back with a 45?(
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 06:13
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Went kangaroo shooting once as a nave teenager. Shot a kangaroo and felt an immediate sense of shame and embarrassment at what I had done. Of course I have not done anything similar since. How anyone could shoot an elephant and not feel saddened by what he had done is beyond me.
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 06:53
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An interesting question, but I did read the news. Apparently 70 odd % goes to the locals on a hunt such as this.

Bear in mind the elephants that were killed this week via poisoning, and the affected eco system that goes along with it. Apparently the vultures feeding on the elephant carcasses died also.

Not a fan of hunting, other than rabbits and deer, but worth thinking about I think.
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 07:03
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I am a licenced shooter and hold a hunting permit here in South Australia.

Other than ferals (foxes etc) I make a point of not shooting anything I cannot or do not eat!
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Other than ferals (foxes etc) I make a point of not shooting anything I cannot or do not eat!
A good general attitude to have. What did rather p1ss me off once was taking some tourist somewhere to go hunting and then one of them kicked off that evening in the hotel because there was no vegetarian food on the menu!!! Git!

However, one thing that some in their comfortable suburban homes might not quite understand or like is that culling is quite often needed in nature conservation. That includes elephants. Uncontrolled elephant populations can absolutely devastate the vegetation and local environment. Culling them to conserve the environment costs a lot. If you can get a wealthy westerner to pay a lot of money to take part in the culls and support the local nature conservation, why not? The problem is that, even though the southern African countries have very, very significant elephant populations that do need controlling, that is one country that I would feel is most liable to suffer from corruption when dealing with that sort of thing. I do not fully believe that the money paid would genuinely have gone into the local nature conservation and I do not fully believe that this would have been part of a genuine cull. What should worry those in their comfortable suburban homes far, far more are all the hundreds or even thousands of elephants, rhinos, etc., that are brutally killed in Africa for no nature conservation purposes at all (instead, being actually seriously damaging to nature conservation) but purely to provide quack 'medicines' for primitive eastern Asian 'medical treatment'.

Now, Can anyone explain to me how you get kicks out of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjLATAUwao??!!!
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 10:16
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Now, Can anyone explain to me how you get kicks out of this?
Yep! I nearly pissed myself laughing at that.

I can't see myself laughing at a dead elephant!
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 10:20
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It is not just "he" who does this, a few years back an American woman hunter shot an arrow into a mothering elephant's head and watched for 12 hours as she died. It was the most sickening case I had ever heard of. Hunt for the pot not for sadistic kicks!
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one thing that some in their comfortable suburban homes might not quite understand or like is that culling is quite often needed in nature conservation. That includes elephants. Uncontrolled elephant populations can absolutely devastate the vegetation and local environment. Culling them to conserve the environment costs a lot. If you can get a wealthy westerner to pay a lot of money to take part in the culls and support the local nature conservation, why not?
Trossie; I have no argument with the above. Possibly I should have made my position stated in my post a bit clearer. I was referring to my situation here in South Australia.

The proper management of Wildlife can and does sometimes require humane culling. As a long time member of the Sporting Shooters Association of Australia I recognise that this culling does extend at times and places to animals such as Elephants.

However, even if properly invited by whatever Government Department to participate in a legally sanctioned cull of Elephants, coupled with the knowledge that most of the animal would be used as food by local Tribespeople........ I could not shoot one myself! Just my personal stance!

But I would not criticise anyone participating in such a shoot.

an American woman hunter shot an arrow into a mothering elephant's head and watched for 12 hours as she died
If that really happened then 'heads should roll.'
I cannot imagine such a 'hunt' being officially Government sanctioned, even by Mugabe's lot!
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Oh sure! The d***head who shot the majestic elephant was motivated to conserve nature! Bull****! He just likes killing things. He gets pleasure out of causing death. Don't try to dress it up as anything other than sadistic animal cruelty. (And small p***s syndrome)
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A friend's wife used to be a travel agent specialising in elephant hunting tours in South Africa. The people that used to go on her company's very expensive tours where mostly English and American who had read stories like Hemingway and wanted to fulfil a life long fantasy to hunt down an elephant.

She described these people as being very rich, extremely arrogant, over pampered, complained and whinged a lot, had very poor survival and adaption skills, and hubby being a d!ckless twerp with wifey being subservient to her great master and in denial about all his inadequacies.

She then showed me some of the photos of the victors standing in front of their dead elephant. Everything she said was true.

Now the good side to this was that these people brought in much needed money to run the park and the park owners managed the kill by focussing on diseased or aged elephants. I even heard that dead elephants would be reused if the hunter was that thick.
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 11:14
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This requires some 'consideration'.

Mustached Kingfisher: Scientist defends killing rare bird after taking first-ever photo - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
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(And small p***s syndrome)
I'd be careful about using such an argument if I were you Bull at a Gate

An acquaintance of mine is a practising Psychiatrist who I have known through the Aviation Industry for over 30 years now.

We last met at a bar (of course) at an Aviation meet and after the usual 'Good to see you again, HTF are ya?' greetings and talk the conversation got around to what we were up to.

Naturally his side of the conversation re our activities was restricted re work but we quickly got around to hobbies/activities outside flying. I mentioned that I had become involved in Pistol shooting as well as continuing my interest in Full bore Rifle shooting.

In the course of our conversation I mentioned that I had once met a person who was extremely anti Firearm to the point of being offensive and abusive in general conversation about anything concerning firearms. At this, his eyebrows went up and he enquired as to what this person had actually said to me.

And so I told him that the person concerned had asked, well demanded really, as to what handguns I owned. When I mentioned that one was a 357 Magnum....well, the reaction to the word Magnum (which refers to cartridge length not calibre) was, how shall we say...rather 'interesting.'

To summarise, as soon as I mentioned the word 'magnum,' the person yelled at me, "Oh right; big gun, little penis!"

However,my reaction was not what he expected. I howled with laughter! As I had previously read in various publications that that particular argument had been proved to be false, having being disproved by many eminent Psychiatrists and Psychologists around the world.

But the comment from my Psychiatrist Friend after I related the abovementioned story really rocked me back on my heels.

He stated that as a practising Psychiatrist he would seriously question the mental stability of anyone who used the big gun small penis argument.

He went on to explain exactly why but regrettably after about 20 minutes and two or three beers he lost me!

This was nearly 30 years ago but I have never forgotten the conversation.

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Old 17th Oct 2015, 12:10
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To summarise, as soon as I mentioned the word 'magnum,' the person yelled at me, "Oh right; big gun, little penis!"

However,my reaction was not what he expected.
At this stage I expected you to unzip and prove your point . . .
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Where's those with an ax to grind? When our favorite dentist shot Cecil, the anti American tools were right on the spot. Appears Germany gets a by on all they've done while the US gets beat up on issues ranging from nuking Japan to Kanye West all based on the actions of a single hunter.
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Old 17th Oct 2015, 14:32
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I am not convinced of the argument for culling. Most animals were here millions of years before humans evolved , no culling ever took place apart form normal predation. If anything needs culling it is the human race!
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I've got a big gun. I use it for knocking down metal plates and making expensive holes in pieces of paper.
Being of the female variety of noise maker, I have no dangly bits at all.
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Pinky, I withdraw the suggestion that there was a connection between length of anatomy and desire to kill animals. But I do wonder why such people get so much pleasure from that activity. Stalking is not good enough - it's the actual taking of life they desire.

And I am not anti gun at all. 2 members of my family have represented Australia in full bore rifle shooting (I wasn't as good as them) and I hold firearm licences.

What is it about the actual act of killing which is necessary for a hunter to have a good time?
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