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A Sickness in US Society

Old 5th Sep 2015, 23:54
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
If ones chooses to look at it as a hole, then yes.
Best description of it I've heard in a long time.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 00:16
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Saw what you did there, clever. Doesn't change anything however.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 05:54
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Doesn't change anything however.
Pretty much the point being made.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 07:51
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Dear Hempy,

I did not move to Germany again. I have only moved to Germany once.

Yours,

chuks

P.S. This is a private message! Nobody else should be reading it. Looking at you there, West Coast ....

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Old 6th Sep 2015, 11:49
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Are you really sure you want to use that as an argument, seems a bit lame to me?
Uhmm it looks like you attributed the statement to westy, not me. Though I have a carefactor of zero, He may not like it depending upon his stance.

As for the question yes, we may implement various rules and improvements to vehicles etc. and laws, it doesn't deal with young bucks breaking the law, and also general accidents. As such is the same thing.

The proposal to restrict guns etc is no different to trying to restrict vehicles and power etc. Which ironically has been proposed here.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 14:24
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Uhmm it looks like you attributed the statement to westy, not me.

If you read my post again you will see it was attributed correctlc Though I have a carefactor of zero, likewise

He may not like it depending upon his stance.

As for the question yes, we may implement various rules and improvements to vehicles etc. and laws, it doesn't deal with young bucks breaking the law, and also general accidents. As such is the same thing.

The proposal to restrict guns etc is no different to trying to restrict vehicles and power etc. Which ironically has been proposed here.
In the matter of cars attempts are continually being made to improve safety, in the matter of guns nothing gets done post each massacre, argue it anyway you like but it is what it is
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 15:45
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In the matter of cars attempts are continually being made to improve safety, in the matter of guns nothing gets done post each massacre
This might be because killing people is an unfortunate by-product of the main purpose of a car, so the car's propensity to kill people can be reduced within financial reason without adversely affecting sales too much, whereas killing people is the sole purpose of a gun, so removing this functionality (which would be dead easy and would even reduce the cost of the product) wouldn't go down well with its target market.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 17:02
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Whatever would make you think that killing people is the sole purpose of a gun?

I guess myself, my guns and everyone that I know with guns are failures as we've failed to kill another human. Been in a number of car accidents though. Thankfully all very minor, thank you for your concern.


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I'll admonish myself once again that I shouldn't read posts on a forum. You'd think I'd learn by now.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 17:38
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Gertrude, I only have a .177 air rifle. Its design purpose is to make holes in paper targets. To kill you with it, I would have to use it as a club.

Even my police-model 12-gauge was used for hunting birds, so that most guns are still multi-purpose.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 17:45
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In the matter of cars attempts are continually being made to improve safety, in the matter of guns nothing gets done post each massacre
This might be because killing people is an unfortunate by-product of the main purpose of a car, so the car's propensity to kill people can be reduced within financial reason without adversely affecting sales too much, whereas killing people is the sole purpose of a gun, so removing this functionality (which would be dead easy and would even reduce the cost of the product) wouldn't go down well with its target market.
Where did you get that scurvy idea? I have a number of guns whose design would make them very poor at doing so. Every try using a 32" barreled shotgun in 3-gun comp?

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Old 6th Sep 2015, 18:12
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One must factor in that gertie has stated that he/she feels safer in Jamacia from weapons violence than in the US.


In the matter of cars attempts are continually being made to improve safety, in the matter of guns nothing gets done post each massacre, argue it anyway you like but it is what it is
You've not spent much time studying the issue then. To be honest, it's an almost impossible task unless you want to spend every waking hour doing so. If this wasn't a holiday weekend here in the US, there would be hundreds if not thousands of hunter safety courses occuring. There would be people at ranges taking firearms classes learning how to safely operate thier weapons. There would be countless thousands of parents teaching thier kids how to safely operate weapons. There would be likely millions out honing thier skills at the sport. To say there's no attempts to improve safety is telling of your understanding of weapons in America. That numbers of killings has dropped dramatically s telling of your understanding. I get it, the beeb reports on unfortunate gun deaths and the natural reaction is to post condemnations. Your right to do so, makes it easy however to identify those with an understanding of the larger issue and those who don't.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 19:58
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Someone has killed two people in Ilford, North East London. Murder without a gun.

Killers will kill. Worry about the why, stop focussing on the how.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 20:20
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I know it's a holiday weekend as the roads are busy as we drive down from Seattle to Seaside in Oregon 👍

Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
You've not spent much time studying the issue then. To be honest, it's an almost impossible task unless you want to spend every waking hour doing so. If this wasn't a holiday weekend here in the US, there would be hundreds if not thousands of hunter safety courses occuring. There would be people at ranges taking firearms classes learning how to safely operate thier weapons. There would be countless thousands of parents teaching thier kids how to safely operate weapons. There would be likely millions out honing thier skills at the sport. To say there's no attempts to improve safety is telling of your understanding of weapons in America. That numbers of killings has dropped dramatically s telling of your understanding. I get it, the beeb reports on unfortunate gun deaths and the natural reaction is to post condemnations. Your right to do so, makes it easy however to identify those with an understanding of the larger issue and those who don't.
Now imagine all that well intentioned training was mandatory, bit like driver training followed by a driving test. Might be a smart way to start to improve gun safety.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 20:32
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Ever the European government-centered socialist, if if isn't mandatory, government regulated; it doesn't exist and isn't worthwhile.

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Old 6th Sep 2015, 20:38
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Ever the European government-centered socialist, if if isn't mandatory, government regulated; it doesn't exist and isn't worthwhile.

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Training isn't worthwhile? With logic like that we might as well let kids get straight into cars and just get on with it then. Can't see that turning out well though.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 21:28
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Ever the European government-centered socialist, if if isn't mandatory, government regulated; it doesn't exist and isn't worthwhile.
Ah, you know the CAA as well then.

For myself as an English person I like guns. I spent a lot of time in shooting teams in the RAF using everything from a Walther to an LMG (Light Machine Gun for our cousins) and lots of other stuff. I enjoy the discipline of guns, and I don't see the problem with a responsible person owning one. I would take issue with the statement that guns are for killing people. So are bows and arrows and swords but I wouldn't want to stop people owning them and enjoying the sport of archery or fencing.

They are part of American culture just as much as Thanksgiving and July 4th. There isn't a cat in hells chance of changing that, and nor should they IMO. The fall out is of course that lots of people get shot in the USA, but if Americans are willing to accept that then who are we to argue the point; and I must say I find the comments about 'the rest of the Western world being bemused/appalled' by gun culture in the USA a little patronising. Their culture, their country, and it is a great country, so let them get on with it.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 21:51
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hereas killing people is the sole purpose of a gun
Damm I'm learning a lot today

I was under the impression the purpose of a gun was to launch a payload at a specific target area.

What that target is dependent on who is pointing the tool.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 22:25
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Originally Posted by rh200 View Post
Damm I'm learning a lot today

I was under the impression the purpose of a gun was to launch a payload at a specific target area.

What that target is dependent on who is pointing the tool.
There in lies the difference, someone in the know and someone who shows an irrational fear of weapons and therefore wants to ensure law abiding folks like myself who don't use them to "kill" people cant have them. At least we're learning who knows about guns, laws and training and who doesn't.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 23:04
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
At least we're learning who knows about guns, laws and training and who doesn't.
The rate you guys are deliberately and accidentally shooting each other with legally held guns would seem to suggest there is still quite a bit of learning and training to be done stateside.
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 00:11
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I am prompted by all the talk of safety and training to mention that the original charter and purpose of the US NRA was to promote gun safety. It was not a political organization until decades later.

The organization also supports the current system of background checks for gun buyers, although the measure passed by Congress as part of the Brady Bill turned out to be an unfunded mandate for a decade until the Virginia Tech massacre, after which Congress decided to appropriate more money for it.
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