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A Sickness in US Society

Old 5th Sep 2015, 15:05
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Do you have a few minutes?

I would like to tell you about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, FBUH.

So far, no outrages have been committed in the name of Pastafarianism, but then it is very young religion, and one that probably is not that attractive to the average heavily-armed fanatic.

Gertrude, you need to read up a bit on American history. Originally, it was "all men [meaning only white males, no blacks and no women, and if poofters have been invented yet, no, none of them neither] are created equal ... " Lincoln, in a bold act of political genius, took this one literally as "all men" and ran with it when he crafted the Emancipation Proclamation, and later women were also included by being given the vote.

You are very perceptive, for a marsupial, Gertrude, so that you have spotted that the USA is imperfect! We had been getting away with that, but now you have ripped the veil clean off! Drat!
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 15:29
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and why did you move to Germany again?
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 15:58
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Gertrude, if you are going to quote something, perhaps you should get it right. The D of I mentions nothing about "preservation" of life.

Moreover, though it is a statement, the D of I is not the law of the land.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 16:06
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and why did you move to Germany again?
What's it matter? Tens of millions who are of the same belief are still here.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 16:12
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Originally Posted by West Coast
What's it matter? Tens of millions who are of the same belief are still here.
That's right, I could have sworn that I was asking you...

Oh hang on, no I wasn't
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 16:45
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Then use the PM function if you don't want others to reply on a public board to things you post.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 16:51
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
Originally, it was "all men [meaning only white males, no blacks and no women, and if poofters have been invented yet, no, none of them neither] are created equal ... " Lincoln, in a bold act of political genius, took this one literally as "all men" and ran with it when he crafted the Emancipation Proclamation, and later women were also included by being given the vote.
Are you suggesting that things CAN be amended, the RWS seem to be suggesting otherwise.......
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 17:34
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Define "things"

Depending on what you're alluding to, you should know the answer.

The question is there political will to do so. The answer is no.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 20:47
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Define "things"

Depending on what you're alluding to, you should know the answer.

The question is there political will to do so. The answer is no.
Considering the cost in lives and injury that comes from legally held guns why is the political and public will not of a mind to do something constructive?
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 21:11
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There are far too many POV's to answer that.

I on occasion will buy weapons simply because I can. Others have thier own reasons for doing so.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 21:29
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There are far too many POV's to answer that.
Really? You allow your people to legally buy guns, you accept that a small percentage of those legal gun owner will go on to do bad or stupid things with those guns but also accept that there is no political or public will to change that?

Effectively you are saying some innocent folks dying is a price worth paying for your right to bear arms?

Doesn't seem very public spirited to me.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 21:34
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Who says we have to be "public spirited"? I really don't care about "stupid" people doing stupid things.

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Old 5th Sep 2015, 21:35
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SFFP

Really? You allow your people to legally buy vehicles, you accept that a small percentage of those legal owners will go on to do bad or stupid things with those vehicles but also accept that there is no political or public will to change that?

Effectively you are saying some innocent folks dying is a price worth paying for your right to drive?
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 21:43
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Octopussy2, glad you enjoyed that!

Kudos to you vapilot. If only more of your countrymen thought the same way that you do maybe your lovely country wouldn't be the laughing stock of the rest of the civilised world
Thanks Hempy, I am a bit of a fence sitter. Growing up with guns in the house, and learning to handle and shoot at a young age took the fear of guns away, they are not inherently bad, yet I appreciate the understanding of human nature that yours, the UK and EU governments have put into their own gun legislation.

For the rest of the group here, I would like to say it again, if you set aside gun deaths related to gang violence, inner-city poverty, and the failed war on drugs, the US is not that far off from the rest of the civilised world. Those are the problems that need solving.

I believe it is possible to retain that "unique American right" with a hybrid of AUS/EU/UK thinking, while controlling gun violence on the streets, yet Washington (collectively both sides of the aisle) is not interested in solving the problems of poverty - particularly after the failed, but well-meaning programs that were at the core of Johnson's "Great Society".

Meanwhile, commenting on a few other posts, I can, from direct experience say, that the best gift Oz has given the world are the Australians themselves.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 21:53
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Really? You allow your people to legally buy guns, you accept that a small percentage of those legal gun owner will go on to do bad or stupid things with those guns but also accept that there is no political or public will to change that?
Let me change that for you.

"Really? You allow your people to legally buy cars, you accept that a small percentage of those legal car owner will go on to do bad or stupid things with those cars but also accept that there is no political or public will to change that?"

We are having and exploding issue with hoons, with the inevitable deaths, can't see it changing soon. What the problem, the car or the person? In effect its cultural.

But they don't believe in a sacred, undeniable, inherent, inalienable right to life in lots of other ways, either, so there's nothing that special here. (Think death penalty, lack of health service, bombing the shit out of people all over the world whenever they feel like it, ect ect.)
Considering the left are that far against trying to define when human life starts, and what constitutes a human being in complete contradiction to science it beggars belief, their not the only one who compromise their beliefs.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 21:54
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
SFFP

Really? You allow your people to legally buy vehicles, you accept that a small percentage of those legal owners will go on to do bad or stupid things with those vehicles but also accept that there is no political or public will to change that?

Effectively you are saying some innocent folks dying is a price worth paying for your right to drive?
Really? So we don't continue to make our roads safer, we don't introduce new speed limits, we don't introduce new rules for younger drivers, we don't introduce drink driving laws? Car manufacturers don't continually evolve vehicles with passenger safety in mind?

Are you really sure you want to use that as an argument, seems a bit lame to me?

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Old 5th Sep 2015, 22:09
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
Who says we have to be "public spirited"? I really don't care about "stupid" people doing stupid things.

GF
I suspect the families from Sandy Hook have a slightly different perspective on that.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 22:12
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SFFP

The number of weapons related deaths is declining, so I'm quite sure we're on the right track. Quite comfortable thanks.


Mr Grayson, we hardly knew ya, goodbye.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 22:22
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
SFFP

The number of weapons related deaths is declining, so I'm quite sure we're on the right track. Quite comfortable thanks.

Think Sandyhook, Mrs Lanza owning guns whilst Adam was at home, you still sure you guys are on the right track?
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 22:38
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If ones chooses to look at it as a whole, then yes.
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