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A Sickness in US Society

Old 3rd Sep 2015, 03:26
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 06:08
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I must admit to a chuckle every time I see the old 'well armed militia' nonsense trotted out by the usual suspects, this 'fairy tale' opposition to Government oppression was pretty inconspicuous about the time of the abolition of slavery and prohibition :-)
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 07:35
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
...this 'fairy tale' opposition to Government oppression was pretty inconspicuous about the time of the abolition of slavery...
Gee, did the Civil War slip your memory?
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 14:51
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I must admit to a chuckle every time I see the old 'well armed militia' nonsense trotted out by the usual suspects, this 'fairy tale' opposition to Government oppression was pretty inconspicuous about the time of the abolition of slavery and prohibition :-)
Opposition to the government during prohibition? Prohibition and the ensuing criminal activities was really the start to what we call "gun control" today.

The "well armed militia" during slavery was often used to put down slave uprisings. The militias weren't going to fight each other over slavery. That was best left to politics, and when politics failed, war.

Your point?

BTW I must sound like I hide in my basement atop a mountain of arms waiting for the bugle to charge US Empire conscripts teamed with foreign fighters.

Think about the Iran uprising. Since the civilians were unarmed much of the government force consisted of punks with sticks.
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 15:42
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Thanks for the clip, vapilot
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 16:02
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Originally Posted by Octopussy2
Thanks for the clip, vapilot
vapilot is one of the few people on this thread with any common sense.

Kudos to you vapilot. If only more of your countrymen thought the same way that you do maybe your lovely country wouldn't be the laughing stock of the rest of the civilised world
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 18:19
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Umm, right!

After me: "Tie me kangaroo down, sport, tie me kangaroo down ... "

Then there is "That's not a knife! This is a knife!"

How about Sir Les Patterson and Dame Edna Everage? No, nothing to laugh at there, is there?

"Harden the f*ck up, Australia!"

Quick, name four world-class American universities. Umm, Yale, Harvard, Princeton, University of Chicago ....

Now, name four world-class Australian universities. Okay, name just one. Err, well, okay, skip that question ....

Who is "the laughing stock of the rest of the civilised world," Hempy?
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Old 3rd Sep 2015, 21:40
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Kudos to you vapilot. If only more of your countrymen thought the same way that you do maybe your lovely country wouldn't be the laughing stock of the rest of the civilised world
Deep down, do you think the opinions of foreigners is a consideration to US? Do you give great consideration to foreign opinion of the way Aboriginal Australians are treated?
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 00:36
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If only more of your countrymen thought the same way that you do maybe your lovely country wouldn't be the laughing stock of the rest of the civilised world
Actually, if you lift the false veneer you would see Aus should be the laughing stock. You would think so, since the only thing we seem to think of national importance for the last couple of years has been trivial [email protected] being debated in our politics.

Laughing stock of the world, maybe we should completely break all ties with every one else, and see how well we go, instead of standing under the American skirt with our subsidized safety net living the dream, and dictating to every one else how it should be done.

America has problems, they are just leading the way where most of us are going anyway, we are just in denial.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 05:33
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Gee, did the Civil War slip your memory?
How many years did you go guys go 'dry' with barely a whimper?
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Barely a whimper? You're not well read on prohibition I see. Either way, there's a world of difference between taking ones drink and taking ones rights.

While others may disagree, having spent large parts of my youth in euroland, we don't view alcohol the same way your lot does. Take away beer from the Germans and you'll be glad your a bunch of emasculated non gun owners as otherwise hell would break out.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 07:15
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It always amuses me how American gun fondlers always refer to people in countries with strong gun laws, as being "emasculated" and "sheeple".
The link between guns and genitals amongst these Americans is just too strong to deny.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 07:50
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Too true!

Every society's males come up with some way to, ah, "compensate."

There's a stretch of road that I often travel here in relatively gun-free Germany. There's a small garage along it that often has large American pick-up trucks on its forecourt. Yesterday there was the biggest, blackest Ford pick-up with the shiniest chromed alloy wheels ever, looming there all polished and gleaming, when one could only think, "Nice truck ... pity about your dick."

I know a fellow who tricked his pick-up (called a "ute" in their local sub-dialect, I believe) out to look just like an enormous dildo, probably due to strict gun-control laws and a basic misunderstanding of what is meant by "Pimp my ride!"

At least we Yanks usually keep one way of compensating to ourselves, locked away in gun cabinets. That's better than poncing about in a huge pick-up with either a German Shepherd or a Harley in the back, isn't it?
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Originally Posted by rh200
instead of standing under the American skirt with our subsidized safety net.
You've clearly never worn a uniform. Try telling that to the families of the Diggers who have lost their lives helping America fight their wars. Where was the 'skirt' for them?

Yes, we have a 'safety net'. It's been paid for with blood. That doesn't change the basic premise that US gun laws are backward and a joke to every other civilised country.
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Barely a whimper? You're not well read on prohibition I see. Either way, there's a world of difference between taking ones drink and taking ones rights.

While others may disagree, having spent large parts of my youth in euroland, we don't view alcohol the same way your lot does. Take away beer from the Germans and you'll be glad your a bunch of emasculated non gun owners as otherwise hell would break out.
Don't know about that, with 31.3 gun per 100 inhabitants, we Norwegians don't feel particularly emasculated. We simply do not use them to kill people, to the same degree. Hey, we even have areas where carrying a gun is required by law.
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
At least we Yanks usually keep one way of compensating to ourselves, locked away in gun cabinets. That's better than poncing about in a huge pick-up with either a German Shepherd or a Harley in the back, isn't it?
They do not have those in the US?

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There's a stretch of road that I often travel here in relatively gun-free Germany. There's a small garage along it that often has large American pick-up trucks on its forecourt. Yesterday there was the biggest, blackest Ford pick-up with the shiniest chromed alloy wheels ever, looming there all polished and gleaming, when one could only think, "Nice truck ... pity about your dick."
Where are those trucks built? In which country are those mostly sold?
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I should have typed that more slowly.

We Americans have at least two ways of "compensating," guns and huge pick-up trucks. One of those ways, owning guns, usually is kept to ourselves, locked away in gun cabinets; the other way, the huge trucks, is out there on very public display, since that often is the point.

The really huge Ford pick-ups are built in Louisville, Kentucky. I assume that they are mostly sold in the USA, but if you want one, please contact your local Ford dealer, who may even be able to arrange the purchase of a "grey market" vehicle for you. I assume that is how this monster Ford came to be parked here in Germany, since the ones the official dealer sells are down-sized pickups made in Japan ... anathema!

Many people here in Germany like to pose as Americans, with the big pick-up, the big belt buckle, the cowboy boots, the ten-gallon hat with the feather hat-band .... You are not alone in perhaps wanting to do this as well. Do not let shame or a sense of inferiority hold you back. Not everyone can be as magnificent as the average American, free to roam the wild frontier, if only in his dreams.

You can even get a rifle rack for your huge pickup, perhaps just to use to carry long-stemmed flowers, gladioli or sunflowers for instance, to a Gay Liberation or a PETA rally or whatever, if no guns are allowed in your jurisdiction.

We sell our stuff to just about anyone.

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Interesting to see the Yanks over here at nearby Menwith Hill. Most of them live in the Harrogate area. They are all convinced that they are likely at any time to be kidnapped or blown up by terrorists and take all precautions to ensure no-one can single them out from the general population. That is until they get into the massive left hand drive truck parked on their drive, usually with the mandatory Stars and Stripes bumper stickers. Any potential terrorist would never know. They also have a bus which does a couple of pick ups and drop offs in the area to transport staff and their families on and off base. They have a cunning plan to ensure they get on the correct bus.......they have placed a large (18"x18") piece of white card in the front windscreen area and all staff know that identifies "their" bus.
Of course it might be easier just to notice that it is a bright yellow, American style school bus the like of which isn't seen anywhere else in the UK except on or near American bases. Bless em.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 14:39
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You've clearly never worn a uniform.
Whats that got to do with the price of eggs in China? Or are you saying it means you can only make judgments with your genitals or heart?

Try telling that to the families of the Diggers who have lost their lives helping America fight their wars. Where was the 'skirt' for them?
Don't have a problem with that at all, be it my nephews or in laws, all of whom are either serving, or have in recent escapades, with consequences.

The fact is, we and most of the western world have taken advantage of the American defense skirt to underspend on what we would need to if they weren't here.

That has very direct social consequences in that we have been able to develop a lot more than would have otherwise. The stability of such, and the rapid development as whole across the world has been a direct result of such.

As for the gun laws, I think their a bit loose, thats my opinion. As for being a joke, bit harsh but I suppose socialists would think so. Bit hard to enforce your will on a population when they can fight back.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 15:03
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Originally Posted by Hempy View Post
That doesn't change the basic premise that US gun laws are backward and a joke to every other civilised country.
Not a premise: an opinion laced with hyperbole.
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The fact is, we and most of the western world have taken advantage of the
American defense skirt to underspend on what we would need to if they weren't
here.
It upsets a lot of people to have the truth spoken to them about how the American policy since WW II has provided our allies with a sustained defense subsidy. This isn't altruism at work, as it is in our interest from a lot of different angles, the foremost being the promotion of international trade.

What's interesting from this side of the pond is the sustained voices who, since before WW II, remain adamant that the US should not be the world's policeman, we should withdraw substantially from our global presence, and as such massively reduce our own defense spending and thus the subsidy all of our allies accrue.

That message has never stopped, what changes is how strongly or weakly it is supported.

While I am no isolationist, I've been for bringing the boys back home from Europe since about the mid 1990's. I understand why our government, and the governments of our allies, are reluctant to take that next step.
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