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Old 3rd Oct 2015, 11:12
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A picture from Norway. One 14 year old was allowed in. Then came his family...
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Old 3rd Oct 2015, 11:53
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SOPS,

I am on a tablet with a battery running low but the short answer is maybe. Since my friend had just arrived from Germany and was paying dinner, I did not my main objection: Germany has a good record of imposing rules to people they feel even just very little but an unproven record on people willing to play the racist/xenophobic card.
I mentioned the case of young German female asked to make more conservative cloth choices and she answered about give the newcomers some time to adapt so more a more strict code is temporary necessary. I pointed out about the newcomers adapting right now but she evaded an answer.
In short it comes down to how level field the German government wants to impose as it was the case in the past.
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Old 4th Oct 2015, 03:58
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Well guess what?

AOL.com News has a rather long story about the 'Poor little children' trapped in France due to the evil British.

Well that is the way the story is slanted, take a look for yourself;

Migrants break into Channel Tunnel, rail services disrupted - AOL

Starts off with a very small invasion force (at least for the British who has defeated much larger invasion forces) that tied to storm the Chunnel but quickly changes to pimping the 'Poor little children'.

You evil British! I don’t think that, after all, I am a conservative Republican. We like the truth.


And now I have to admit the truth about our country, as of yesterday and the lack of response by President Obama, I cannot do so anymore.

I am deeply bothered by this.
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Old 4th Oct 2015, 08:36
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I think the Good Ole US of A should get involved and bring back some sort of "Marshall Plan"
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Old 4th Oct 2015, 08:47
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I think the Good Ole US of A should get involved and bring back some sort of "Marshall Plan"
A "Martial Plan" will soon be needed, along with a new Charles Martel at the fore.
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 11:28
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I read at weekend about a Frueline who has been given notice to quit her flat somewhere around Northern area of Cologne, the landlord has told her the entire building is going to be a centre for rehousing refugees and it needs to be made ready for them...

I also understand that many people rent rather than own the dwellings they occupy,...but what sort of Government are the Germans if they are kicking out Law abiding pay on time German nationals,.. to allow their dwellings to be taken over by the state sponsored illegal immigrants as invited by Frau Merkel, who after all was born and raised in the Commie East Germany before re-unification in the late 80's............to my mind this is the action of a Communist Government, not anyone who we should be agreeing with or even trying to assist, so why is there not a hue and cry about this action, are the German citizens so pressured by their forefathers past bad deeds..?
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 11:57
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The UK has asylum seekers living in million pound houses while ex servicemen live on the street so why not ?
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 12:13
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Peter...Nothing new about this,it has happened before ...in East Germany and before that in the former workers paradise further East.
There are now reports in about empty buildings being taken over in Hamburg. Any Germans taking a holiday in the near future might like to think twice just in case they return to a houseful of visitors.
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 12:37
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How long will it be until the average German realises this whole thing is now totally out of control?
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 14:08
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Germany expects up to 1.5 million asylum seekers in 2015, says report

German authorities expect up to 1.5 million asylum seekers to arrive in Germany this year, the Bild daily said in a report to be published on Monday, up from a previous estimate of 800,000 to 1 million. Many of the hundreds of thousands of people pouring into Europe to escape conflicts and poverty in the Middle East, Africa and beyond have said they are heading to Germany, Europe’s largest economy.

Bild said the German authorities were concerned about the risk of a “breakdown of provisions” and that they were already struggling to procure enough living containers and sanitary facilities for the new arrivals. “Migratory pressures will increase further. We now expect seven to ten thousand illegal border crossings every day in the fourth quarter,” Bild cited the report as saying. “This high number of asylum seekers runs the risk of becoming an extreme burden for the states and municipalities,” the report said.

The authorities’ report also cited concerns that those who are granted asylum will bring their families over to Germany too, Bild said. Given family structures in the Middle East, this would mean each individual from that region who is granted asylum bringing an average of four to eight family members over to Germany in due course, Bild quoted the report as saying.Germany’s top-selling newspaper cited an internal forecast from authorities that it said had been classed as confidential.............

Germany fears up to 1.5mn refugees to arrive in 2015, calls for limits on influx to EU

........Germany’s top newspapers reported that officials have revised their estimates on the number of asylum seekers and migrants to enter the country by the end of the year.
“Migratory pressures will increase further. We now expect seven to ten thousand illegal border crossings every day in the fourth quarter,” Bild cited the report as saying. “This high number of asylum seekers runs the risk of becoming an extreme burden for the states and municipalities.”
The number of asylum seekers is hitting an all-time record, according to Minister-President of Bavaria, Horst Seehofer, who earlier this week acknowledged almost 170,000 registered arrivals in the region in September alone. According to Federal Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere the daily influx has recently soared to up to 10,000 people.

Germany’s abilities to accept and handle refugees and migrants are not infinite and the country’s capacity is now strained to the limit, German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said in interview with ZDF on Sunday. Europe must be ready to accept asylum seekers, but must be able to help everyone it receives, Schaeuble said. That is why the influx of refugees coming to Europe must be limited, according to the German minister.

The minister for finance also said that the migration influx is a common European challenge which cannot be solved on the national level. “Above all we must resolve the problem with Turkey. That is decisive,” Schaeuble said.

The German minister is not the only German politician from the ruling coalition who has spoken of the need to limit the migrant flows in Europe.

“I believe that we must honestly speak about the limit, to stop the influx, because we are at the end of [our] tether,” said Andreas Scheuer, Secretary-General of the Christian Social Union (CSU) which is the coalition partner of Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union (CDU).

Meanwhile CSU politician Stephan Mayer told newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung (FAS) that if “as many asylum seekers continue to come to Germany as in recent weeks, we won’t have any choice but to temporarily stop taking people in and to close the borders to them.”

However, Chancellor Angela Merkel stated that building fences and closing borders is “pointless,” as migrants would always find another way into Europe, and called for a head-on solution to the crisis including dealing with the reasons people are fleeing their countries.
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As I said before, Mr Corbyn wants all these "opportunities" to go to his place in Tufnell Park.
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 14:27
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How long will it be until the average German realises this whole thing is now totally out of control?

SOPS: Most Germans realise it.
Obey the rules. Do as you’re told. You cannot do anything against it. Powerless.

In Berlin have heard that some commercial properties have been “commandeered”. (i.e. some empty supermarket is kitted out with beds etc.)

In the UK (and other lands) the “council” rents houses and as long as you pay the rent, you have a residence for life. In Germany, that is not the case. At least two people have received notice to quit as the local council are forced to accommodate the results of Merkel’s actions, but do not have the resources or finances to cope.
This is the result.

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Old 5th Oct 2015, 14:39
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Ok, where does it stop? Europe has to stop rescuing boats and turning them around instead.

Ok, I will take on the Elephant in the room. Europe has to say, we are being invaded, and sink the boats.

( i lived in the Netherlands for 18 years, and fear for the country I call my second home)
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 15:19
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However, Chancellor Angela Merkel stated that building fences and closing borders is “pointless,” as migrants would always find another way into Europe, and called for a head-on solution to the crisis including dealing with the reasons people are fleeing their countries.
The left and reality are not on speaking terms.

Or does she really mean the German Air Force is going to join Putin in bombing Syria?
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 16:52
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How is Germany planning on integrating all these refugees? Its going to need interpretors, school places and teachers, hospital places and Doctors, temporary then long term accommodation, plus a way of catering for all the baggage (PTSD and crime) which comes with people fleeing a war zone, as well as providing a welcome for people whose cultural norms are necessarily the same as the native population. Having said that I've been to Syria and I remember alcohol being on sale and the population being tolerant of minorities so they're not necessarily the demons that some comments on this thread suggest they are.
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 18:26
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the problem is that 80% are NOT Syrians...more places like Afghanistan Pakistan Lybia etc.
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 21:27
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In that old Kevin Kostner movie about the bloke who built a baseballl field in the middle of nowhere, his dream told him "build it and they will come".

Here's a hint: the opposite applies. Stop the welfare and all the other handouts. Provide only the most basic facilities for those who have already come. Stop family reunions _ they are unsustainable - and they wil NOT come.
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Old 5th Oct 2015, 22:01
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Just watched some MSP git on TV commenting on the people arriving on Lesbos saying that they are all fleeing danger. What is the danger in Turkey?

Just like the swarm in Calais, what are they trying to escape from in France? (I could think of a few reasons, but are they legitimate 'refugee' arguments!!)
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Old 6th Oct 2015, 04:33
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It's been said and proven a hundred times now.
Most of these people are not fleeing war or civil insurrections, they are illegal migrants bypassing laws to get where they think they will be better off (and an indeterminate number of infiltrators bent on a different mission).


Those are the plain, hard facts and everyone has to finally accept that and draw the line. The alternative is the current Chickenchoppedoffheadworld


Turn back/tow back boats, then destroy them.
Make it blatantly clear which country's nationals will not be accepted anywhere.
Support/aid refugee camps in the first safe countries reachable. Only accept refugees from the camps.
Maintain the rule of law for acceptance of legitimate refugees from those safe countries.
Maintain strong REAL borders. Keeping out unacceptable people is easier than removal after the fact.
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Old 7th Oct 2015, 09:28
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I see things are going swimmingly in Germany.

Ms Merkel has refused to talk about limits to the number of refugees Germany can accommodate but Sigmar Gabriel, her deputy and the leader of the Social Democratic party, has declared that the time has come to reduce arrivals.

The new estimate of 1.5 million came in a confidential government paper leaked to the newspaper Bild. It is widely believed the source of the leak was the interior ministry.

The secret document said each refugee had a “family factor” of four to eight people, meaning they could be expected to arrange for up to eight relatives to join them once settled in Germany, as they were entitled to do if granted refugee status. As Bild pointed out, this could mean that 7.36 million eventually arrived as a result of this year’s influx. Germany’s population is now 80 million.
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