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Where does the UN imagine all these people are going to go?

Old 23rd Sep 2015, 12:58
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MTOW, as I am not a stuck in the 1950s racist I tend not to panic at the sight of a foreigner.

If you had escaped hardship, war,or just a shitty house, would you not be tempted to shout out "[insert deity of choice] is great"? Its not a terrorist chant, its praise of their God.

Go back and read what I wrote. The words I quoted are from the video that was linked. The site hosting the video have stated that it is basically meaningless

Social media is filling up with unattributed videos, pictures and stories that are utter bull$hit and are merely fuelling the right wing hysteria. It would be nice to think that Jetblast is above that.
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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 13:41
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As a frequent flyer in furrin parts, I'm always a tad dismayed when the cabin address from the flight deck is prefixed with the words: "Bismillah rahmahn e rahim" (approximately: In the name of God) and suffixed with Insch'Allah (if it is the will of God).

My gods are people like Bernoulli and Newton. I don't feel a need to pray to them, but I do feel a need to understand what they wrote and I'm happy with the fact that they were/are right.
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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 13:42
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right wing hysteria. It would be nice to think that Jetblast is above that.
Oh good grief!

Where do I start?
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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 14:57
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Mr Chips - if all these is just "right wing hysteria", please do tell us how do you see this ending? Or what would be a sensible solution to this crises? And more importantly how are we going to fund your solution?
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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 19:53
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R4 'Today' interviewed an Irish gent who works for the UN and who had just visited Calais. They asked him what should be done about the migrants there and he replied that the UK should let them all in. When challenged that this would just act as an incentive which would attract more migrants he replied that 'it was not proven' that would happen! I was left wondering what planet that man lived on when its as plain as the nose on my face that if we let those 4000 in then it will act as trigger to lots of other people to try to join them. At the moment most of the people there appear to be economic migrants and therefore have no call to be in France let alone the UK. I don't see why they should be allowed here just because they have got as far as France and want to come here.

We seem to have very little control over who comes to the UK and have to let every EU citizen in no matter what their skills or motives so the last thing I want to see is one of the few border controls left being dismantled because an Irish do gooder thinks it is wrong.
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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 20:14
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When challenged that this would just act as an incentive which would attract more migrants he replied that 'it was not proven' that would happen!
It's what I call the Teenager Defence: "I didn't do it and anyway you can't prove it".
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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 23:00
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On this side of the pond we have our own immigration issues. However it is not just a country issue it is an issue of the West vs. the entire third world. There is immigration pressure on the West from all corners.

As I see it there are no working models or solutions on the horizon. This is not a simple immigration problem this is a world wide problem that has no historical precedent.

I don't see anyone with a fix. It will also likely produce a lot of right wing backlash in all countries.

Danish People's Party's stated goals are to protect the freedom and cultural heritage of the Danish people, including the family, the Monarchy and the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Denmark, to enforce a strict rule of law, to work against Denmark becoming a multi-ethnic society by limiting immigration and promoting cultural assimilation of admitted immigrants, to maintain a strong welfare system for those in need, and to promote entrepreneurship and economic growth by strengthening education and encouraging people to work, and to protect the environment and natural resources.

The Sweden Democrats or Swedish Democrats (Swedish: Sverigedemokraterna, SD) is a political party in Sweden that was founded in 1988.[21] The party describes itself as social conservative with a nationalist foundation,[2][3] but has been characterised by others as far-right,[22] right-wing populist,[4][8] and anti-immigration.


The Party for Freedom (Dutch: Partij voor de Vrijheid, PVV) is a right-wing political party in the Netherlands.
With program items like administrative detention and strong assimilationist stance on the integration of immigrants into Dutch society, the Party for Freedom breaks from the established centre-right parties in the Netherlands (like the People's Party for Freedom and Democracy, VVD). In addition, the party is consistently Eurosceptic[16][17] and since early July 2012, according to its then presented program for the elections a few months later on September 12, even strongly advocating withdrawal from the EU.


When the most liberal democracy's in Europe have increasingly strong parties that are anti-immigration its time to pay attention to the problem in a real way.

Trump is saying this over on this side of the pond that no one else will say and he has a following.He does not have a rational solution but neither does anyone else.
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Old 23rd Sep 2015, 23:29
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I think a possible solution would be to separate the refugees from the economic migrants. Deport all the illegal migrants. Build refugee camps in their home countries and fly them back there. Get the army to protect this refugee camps. Train an arm the fit ones and let them fight to get their country back.
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 00:31
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Look at the photos in this article. I know it's been said before, but it's nearly all men.

This IS an invading army.

German politician calls for extra barricades to stop refugees wandering through Europe | Daily Mail Online
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 01:13
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I do so love being mistaken for a leftie, but just when i start thinking about justifying my comments about Right wing hysteria,someone yet again references the Daily Mail, the well known bastion of racism and hysteria...quoting a German who suggests a barrier - with apparently no sense of irony. We only pulled down the last one in relatively recent history.

My view? Support the genuine refugees. Apply the Dublin convention properly. Work together to take "quotas"

Refugees who turn into migrants? Zero sympathy


But please,stop posting unattributed,unproven bull$hit photos and videos
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 01:27
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Train an arm the fit ones and let them fight to get their country back.
Back from what? Back from whom?

Nigeria? Mali? Pakistan? Libya? Afghanistan? Palestine? Iraq? Yemen? Iran? Somalia? Sudan? Where?

Arming the fit ones is a problem, Not a solution.
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 06:35
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Nigeria? Mali? Pakistan? Libya? Afghanistan? Palestine? Iraq? Yemen? Iran? Somalia? Sudan?
Just trying to think of what common factor one might see in all those troubled areas...? Do we want that 'common factor' to be mass imported into Europe to exacerbate problems that might already have developed over the past few decades? I think a certain Dutch politician might have a comment on this.

Do those people want to fit in? And I mean genuinely fit in. Or do they just want to import the source of all their problems into Europe so that their problem festers there?

Arming the fit ones is a problem, Not a solution.
So maybe that's why it would be best to take the genuinely vulnerable, who need the help most, who will be thankful for being taken and most likely to fit in. Taking the bullies who shout and scream and demand what they want is not the answer. Those 'fit ones' should be at home looking after their own countries. A solution can only be sought in those countries and within that culture. Some soul-searching should be done among those cultures that are resulting in all that conflict. Europe can't be looked at as the answer to all the world's ills. It's up to the rest of the world to get it's act together. Unless of course, Europe is so good that it can sort all of this out... that maybe some forceful European colonisation of all those troubled spots to impose some civilised order is needed? (NB: that last sentence was extremely tongue-in-cheek!)
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 07:03
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I see another 'summit' has taken place. More money pledged, more promises to work with so and so, consult with this, investigate that...I've never been involved in running a country so can please someone explain why there is all so much talking and so little 'doing'?

Surely the EU between us has the ability to patrol the seas between Greece and Turkey, the shortest busiest crossing points, immediately? Turn back the boats. Secure the borders, sort out the mess we have already started within Europe. Then slowly and methodically provide a mechanism to screen and find genuine refugees who need asylum. I am of the opinion of course that anyone who leaves Turkey is not a refugee. There seems to be nobody asking the right questions in all this reporting. Anybody with a shred of common sense can see that the approach so far is wrong on so many levels. I can't understand that there are not some very sensible government advisors in all countries who are advising exactly the same!?
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 07:07
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A novel twist on the Wooden Horse, wonder when the boatloads of AKs RPGs are to follow.
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 07:20
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General Kirby, Australia went through this same (non)exercise for six years, with the "right" kind of people manning the reception centres, (i.e., lefties) some of them coaching the "migrants" in what to say to ensure they'd get to stay. 98% were found to be "genuine" refugees, despite transiting seven or more countries before getting to the Promised (welfare)Land. The other 2% were almost all allowed to stay after long-running appeals funded by the Australian taxpayer. Photographs of some of the boats arriving had literally dozens of heavily-built (steroid-enhanced) bouncer types in designer clothes with the latest smartphones and laptops, the type who you'd expect to see standing guard outside a seedy strip joint. Hardly the world's needy.

Then we had a change of government and the new PM actually did what he promised to do - and what the Lefties insisted he could not do. The boats stropped, with only one making it through in the last two years, and that one only because the huggy fluffs got involved in legal measures to allow its occupants to stay.

Then that PM was ousted in a palace coup last week, and the person (I can't label him a man) who mounted that coup yesterday announced that he was "concerned" about the "poor asylum seekers" who are "languishing" in offshore camps. The outcry has been such after he slipped that comment into the public arena that I understand he has backtracked and said they would remain offshore.

But he will try it on again as soon as he thinks he will get away with it. You can bet on it.
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 07:40
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I just hope MTOW that he feels he can never get away with it, this conversation however is for another thread.
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 08:38
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This makes for sobering reading.

Germany: Migrants' Rape Epidemic
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 08:45
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Lest anyone think that the UK is being remiss in taking refugees and immigrants from the huge-fluffy press and German chastisement. The last thing we need is Europe passing on even more - when we already take more than the rest combined.

Migration to Britain sees one of the largest shifts in the developed world, says OECD report

Britain experienced one of the largest increases in migration flows last year out of a group of more than 30 developed countries monitored by a leading global think-tank.

The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) said international migration to the UK rose by 108,000 in 2014 to 558,000, a 24 per cent rise year-on-year.

Only the Czech Republic and Israel reported larger rises among the 30 nations monitored by the Paris-based think-tank in its International Migration Outlook 2015 report. Germany saw larger numbers of international migration overall, with 1.25 million last year, but its numbers were more stable than in Britain with an annual increase of 20 per cent.

The OECD report said Europe will probably record more than one million asylum applications in 2015. Up to 450 000 of these are expected to obtain a status of humanitarian migrant and eventually settle in Europe.
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 09:50
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Old 24th Sep 2015, 14:55
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"can please someone explain why there is all so much talking and so little 'doing'?


Because that is what lawyers and politicians(usually one and the same) know how to do. Talk. I mean. you ask them to turn a wrench or pipette a test tube and see what happens!



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