Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Social > Jet Blast
Reload this Page >

Debbie Abrahams MP on Iain Duncan Smith

Jet Blast Topics that don't fit the other forums. Rules of Engagement apply.

Debbie Abrahams MP on Iain Duncan Smith

Old 21st Aug 2015, 14:20
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: UK
Age: 66
Posts: 736
Debbie Abrahams MP on Iain Duncan Smith

Lie after lie over sanctions and FoI: Duncan Smith?s head should roll | Vox Political
joy ride is offline  
Old 21st Aug 2015, 14:27
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Exit stage right.
Posts: 288
Thought this was related to Ashley Madison website for a second.
racedo is offline  
Old 21st Aug 2015, 14:45
  #3 (permalink)  
Just another erk
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Germany
Age: 74
Posts: 280
You mean people actually expect politicians to tell the truth!
ArthurR is offline  
Old 21st Aug 2015, 15:03
  #4 (permalink)  

More than just an ATCO
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Up someone's nose
Age: 72
Posts: 1,768
Thought this was related to Ashley Madison website for a second
he's probably on there as well.

Reminded about the old Christine Keeler joke, ".....looks like the whole cabinet was up there."
Lon More is offline  
Old 21st Aug 2015, 15:07
  #5 (permalink)  
Thought police antagonist
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Where I always have been...firmly in the real world
Posts: 1,121
"Some viewers may find some of the scenes in this report disturbing "......

Starring I.D-S......age 3.5.


Iain Duncan Smith fist-pumps at ?living wage? announcement - video | UK news | The Guardian
Krystal n chips is offline  
Old 21st Aug 2015, 15:12
  #6 (permalink)  

More than just an ATCO
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Up someone's nose
Age: 72
Posts: 1,768
IDS and fisting in the same sentence is probably nearer the truth than you think.
Lon More is offline  
Old 21st Aug 2015, 18:32
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Southampton
Posts: 741
Well that web site seems to have nicely balance views
Saintsman is offline  
Old 21st Aug 2015, 20:58
  #8 (permalink)  

bat fastard
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Back home in Alba
Posts: 141
Thought this was related to Ashley Madison website for a second.
he's probably on there as well.
Yes but only because his email address was 'hacked'
G-ALAN is offline  
Old 22nd Aug 2015, 08:39
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: south of Cirencester, north of Lyneham
Age: 74
Posts: 1,256
I've never had any time for 'Irritating Duncan Smith', especially after as leader of the Conservative Party, he was very enthusiastic about backing Bliar in the war on Iraq. If he was my MP, I'd even vote Labour to get rid of him!
radeng is offline  
Old 22nd Aug 2015, 09:08
  #10 (permalink)  

Pilot of the Airwaves
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Close to the Med
Age: 71
Posts: 811
The man is a total buffoon!

Everything he touches is a shambles.

The way he has cut "winter" fuel benefits for some expat pensioners with a convoluted way of saying some countries are too hot in winter compared to the UK is scandalous. In some countries the "winter" payment is needed to offset the high electricity bills for the cooling in the high heat of summer, that some expats can't afford. Does he not understand that extreme heat kills old folk just like cold does?

He is simply not fit for purpose.
IB4138 is offline  
Old 22nd Aug 2015, 13:11
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: south of Cirencester, north of Lyneham
Age: 74
Posts: 1,256
He is simply not fit for purpose.
Even as low grade soap and dog food?
radeng is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2015, 12:53
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Cambridge, UK.
Posts: 50
Read this and then tell me that what IDS is doing is acceptable in 21st century Britain.

Brutality of the Bedroom Tax exposed in disgraceful images of disabled Merseyside man driven from home - Liverpool Echo
Shannon volmet is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2015, 12:56
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Cambridge, UK.
Posts: 50
Lon More

"IDS and fisting in the same sentence is probably nearer the truth than you think."

Careful LM, that was a bit near the knuckle!
Shannon volmet is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2015, 13:37
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: south of Cirencester, north of Lyneham
Age: 74
Posts: 1,256
Haven't seen anyone yet very enthused about the man.......Not that I am particularly enthused by Cameron, Osborne, etc. Just that the mess they make probably won't be quite as bad as Labour, but nearly so....
radeng is offline  
Old 23rd Aug 2015, 14:02
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Cambridge, England, EU
Posts: 3,440
That's one of the hard cases to which I referred and for which an exception should have been made.
And for which civilised local authorities do make exceptions, using the funding provided by central government for precisely this purpose.

Uncivilised local authorities might think there's more value in these "government is evil" news stories than in actually looking after their residents properly. In such cases in my view it's the local authority who is being evil.

I name no party here, and I can't quote a council cabinet member of the party I'm not naming because the conversation was under the Chatham House rule.
Gertrude the Wombat is offline  
Old 24th Aug 2015, 10:11
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Cambridge, UK.
Posts: 50
radeng

Since the Thatcher era, the successive administrations all seem to have one thing in common. Very few if any MP's have served in the armed forces (Yes, I know IDS did but he was a bag carrier for a staff officer, and I don't regard that as having served). Further, very few if any MP's have had real jobs, and I mean the sort where you start off at the bottom getting your hands dirty,and work your way up to management if that is your choice.

This means that Parliament is run by people with no practical or arguably life skills, an essential requirement I feel for making the decisions they are trusted to make correctly by the electorate.

All they have to go on is theory, some of it flawed, but because they have earned a degree at college, they think they know best. They even ignore history which might help them make better informed decisions.

To put it crudely, would you trust a surgeon to carry out a heart transplant (IDS needs one!), never having seen the procedure being carried out, and armed only with theoretical knowledge and absolutely no practical experience whatsoever?

Mike.
Shannon volmet is offline  
Old 24th Aug 2015, 12:12
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: London
Posts: 199
The case referred to by Shannon Volmet seems tragic, but does not on it's own mean that the policy is wrong. It does suggest that someone has made a poor set of decisions, and it seems very odd to be evicted over a mere 300 in rent arrears. I've worked in social housing, and I can assure you 300 is as mall amount for arrears.

None of the poor decisions in this case were made by IDS though.

In your second post Shannon, to suggest that you can only have a world view if you have served in the military is a bit rich, if not laughable and rather insulting. It also rather destroys your own argument to have to acknowledge that IDS did I fact serve. I'm not sure that there has to be a minimum number of enemy killed to warrant claiming a world view.....
Mr Chips is offline  
Old 24th Aug 2015, 12:43
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The Luberon
Age: 69
Posts: 922
Originally Posted by Shannon volmet View Post
Very few if any MP's have served in the armed forces (Yes, I know IDS did but he was a bag carrier for a staff officer, and I don't regard that as having served).
You need to widen your research (or your blinkers). He saw active service in Rhodesia and Northern Ireland, as did I.
sitigeltfel is offline  
Old 24th Aug 2015, 14:43
  #19 (permalink)  

Gentleman Aviator
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Teetering Towers - somewhere in the Shires
Age: 72
Posts: 3,520
but he was a bag carrier for a staff officer
'Twas not of course his only posting ....... and in any event - see above - it was during ceasefire monitoring in Zim, probably not the cushiest of billets.

And then there's his Norn Iron tour - NOT bag carrying but on Regimental Duties - (Scots Guards IIRC)

His father was DSO DFC in WW2 flying Spitfires - 17 confirmed victories - and (probably) flew the RAF's last operational Spitfire sortie in the Malayan emergency.

Not too bad a CV and pedigree......
teeteringhead is offline  
Old 24th Aug 2015, 15:32
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: uk
Posts: 1,681
I believe that IDS spent something like 2 years while in opposition researching into the ACTUAL living conditions of people on benefits. He has probably done more to prepare for the role he was given in Government than any minister before him. It doesn't make him right but I think he does deserve some respect for trying to get it right.
pulse1 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.