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Old 30th Jul 2015, 21:10
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In my experience, a large majority of American commercial pilots seem to be politically right wing. I have no idea why. Is it the same elsewhere in the world?
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 21:14
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In my experience, a large majority of American commercial pilots seem to be politically right wing.
In the average European's experience "a large majority of American people seem to be politically right wing". So this would apply to commercial pilots a fortiori.
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If they lean to the right does that mean they fly around in circles? We should be told
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 21:25
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From where they sit they can see the left wing, so they just have to have faith in the right wing.
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 21:32
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a large majority of American people seem to be politically right wing
That is also my experience. I can't figure out how so many democrats keep getting elected. Perhaps I'm a bit naive...
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American pilots have to be right wing, it cancels out the Coriolis Force. At higher latitudes, in Canada, they can afford to be more liberal.
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 22:04
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That is also my experience. I can't figure out how so many democrats keep getting elected.
Well, from over here, the USA appears to have two political parties - one far right, the other extreme right, and one (if one is not an avid student of American politics, which most of us aren't, despite our media's obsession with presidential campaigns) can never quite remember which is which.


However after some years of more detailed study I have now picked up the idea that one is generally expected to understand that the Democrats are very very slightly less right wing than the Republicans, on a good day.
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Old 30th Jul 2015, 23:58
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Gertrude the Wombat writes:
In the average European's experience ....
Be advised that Gertrude:
  • is not an average European
  • has declared his deep dislike of America and Americans many times in this forum
  • is an active supporter of a party that has only 8 MPs out of 650
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 00:55
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Perhaps it's because the majority of American commercial pilots learned their profession by study, hard work, and being able to take responsibility for their actions.

Not traits commonly associated with the Left.
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Well said obgraham, beat me to it! You can add 'innate intelligence' to that list
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 01:28
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There are actually five political groups in the US. The hard right, the similarly loony hard left, the leftish and the rightish and a small number of genuine middle-of-the roaders. The politics in the US balance on the middle-of-the-roaders who are really the king makers in close State vote counts.The middle-of-the-roaders do actually move left or right as a block joining the leftish or the rightish if things are obviously bad enough.

The loony left is what moved me from leftish to rightish, think UK immigration policies and worse.

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In my experience, a large majority of American commercial pilots seem to be politically right wing. I have no idea why. Is it the same elsewhere in the world?
Probably because your experience is mostly from reading Jet Blast.

Quite interesting that your opinion is confined only to American pilots and doesn't include other nationalities?
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 02:50
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Also quite curious that they automatically think that being conservative is a bad thing.

Come to think about it, did not Britain just vote Conservatives into power?

Yeah they did, how about that.
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Yaebut one is blue the other red.
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You can add 'innate intelligence' to that list.
Do intelligent people tend to commit suicide?
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 04:44
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Well, from over here, the USA appears to have two political parties - one far right, the other extreme right, and one
Its human nature to think you and your values are right (oops I mean correct), hence any one to onside of you is automatically (insert left or right) of you.

Basically we are always in a battle to redefine the the mean.
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Intelligence Study Links Low I.Q. To Prejudice, Racism, Conservatism

Actualy there are plenty of studies that prove that conservatives have lower IQ.

This is just one of many.
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Old 31st Jul 2015, 05:01
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Do intelligent people tend to commit suicide?
Is the rate of suicide among pilots high then?


Actualy(sic) there are plenty of studies that prove that conservatives have lower IQ
When it was measured some years ago mine was in triple figures. What do your studies say about conservative pilots IQs then AnQrKa?
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The US is well to the right of Europe, the UK and AUS.

A quick inventory of the few ATPL holding friends I have as well as colleagues and acquaintances adds up to about 60/40 Conservative. The tendency seems towards Liberalism on social issues and Conservative views regarding the size of government, a strong military, and low taxes no matter what one self-identifies as.

A couple of things might fix our dysfunctional political system: (aside from bringing in a new set of voters - like Johnny Carson used to do with his audience.)

1. Campaign Finance Reform - If we can't get politicians separated from lobbyists and corporate donors, at least let's get the money out of the election process. Eliminate PACs and strike down the 5/4 Supreme Court ruling allowing hidden corporate money donations.

2. Nuanced issues campaigns that go beyond simple-minded sound-bites to sell the idea.

3. Put a stop to gerrymandering districts by state houses and state legislatures - this is where a lot of hidden power exists in the US and it has been queitly reshaping (literally) the political landscape making many in Congress safe for reelection year after election year.

A political friend of the family likes to say that politics is not a fight for the left or the right - it is a fight for the middle.

Finally if people would stop carping and start governing, that would be helpful. Washington might even start to accomplish a thing or two to be proud of. Wonder what chance that has of happening in our lifetimes?
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Perhaps it's because the majority of American commercial pilots learned their profession by study, hard work, and being able to take responsibility for their actions.

Alas, and before the inevitable "K n C is anti-American " wails, an encounter with, ahem, the hard working professionals "some time ago ".

Whilst idling the night away, as you do being left wing, one and possibly the best Multi X engineer I have ever met...RIP Sid..were asked to attend a DC8 freighter belonging to a now defunct, although the airline concerned did its best to reduce its operations by plonking the fleet into, rather than on, the ground anyway and had a "chequered history" to say the least as the Omega, this may give you a clue, would not align.

Entering the heap of junk, we were greeted by the crew...the Capt, suitably attired in Stetson and cowboy boots explained the problem. The F/O commenced with, and continued, to complain about the UK's temperate climes and how he just wanted to get back to Ca, The F/E, not a real one, a second pilot panel operator, also commenced with why he should be in the RH seat and not flicking switches....the Loadmaster was Mexican and simply read his extensive collection of porn throughout.

External inspection revealed the Omega aerial was "attached " with about 2 / 3 bolts and a generous helping of "Thykol". One then had a, rare, thought and suggested the heap of junk was located on a stand noted for obstacles and Omega alignment and, if the heap was repositioned, the Omega would work....this was, reluctantly on the crews part, done and...Bingo ! .

The problem now solved, we hinted that a few $$'s would be appreciated. A miserly $10 was offered and we duly declined using terms that could not be misconstrued as they contained what many on here would perceive as "anti-American" sentiments.

The heap duly departed for the Land of the Free and was never seen again.

True professionals there then.


"Not traits commonly associated with the Left"

You perception would suggest you have, sadly, had a rather sheltered life.

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