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Old 14th Jul 2015, 11:40
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Surprising cause of back pain. Possibly.

As promised, I'll just mention this to JB's wider readership just so the word gets around. I'm astonished I hadn't made the link, so there may be others out there that may just be suffering because of this misleading set of symptoms.

Back to 2001. I started to get back pain. Nasty. Went to a dozen people that claimed they could get me right. Then I had an MRI. Stenosis and bulging disc. It was strange that no one seemed inclined to operate, saying it was better not to in the long term. I didn't see much of a long term at my age, but there, I pressed on. Trying to live in two countries didn't help. A three year battle to keep strength up gave me a compromise life. I could chainsaw a large tree down and drag 80' of bits, trunk and brush, to the road for the council to pick up, but I couldn't lift. Maybe 10 times a day I'd go to my workbench and press up while nudging the edge into my lower stomach. Quite often I could feel it 'adjust'. It felt good, but no long term fix.

As I say, life was a compromise.

While all this was going on I noticed that often the pain seemed more like an illness. It would flare up and I'd feel generally ill at the same time. I just thought inflammation in the spine was making me ill.

Back to 2002. I had experienced a bizarre major episode while driving. 999 call and all that. Diagnosed as a severe allergic reaction. Probably strong hospital soap. A dozen reasons to think that. Anyway, I was now mindful I seemed to be getting ill for an unrelated reason, or reasons. Fit one day, and a thousand years old the next. I went the gluten/wheat free route and the result was incredible - though I often cheated.

Fast-forward to this year. The Rivetess was talking to a car salesman while I was chatting to his wife. She told me that her brother had suffered such bad back pain that he'd often needed to lie down during the day. By chance he was diagnosed with Celiac disease and his recovery was brisk. At the same time all back pain went and a few other issues as well.

I mentioned this to my surgeon. He swung his screen around and reminded me just how close the lower bowel is to the lower spine. He was fully aware of bowel disease causing back pain.

I wondered why it had taken this long for the medical profession to have made the connection between an ongoing reaction to food (and certain soaps), and the miserable sick aching in my lower back. My latest two GPs were already on the right path when I learned of that local man's discovery. It seems the blood check for Celiac very often does not work. One has to have a biopsy of the gut to be sure.

I've lost count of the number of times I've headed home with back pain, leaving friends enjoying themselves at one venue or another. More often than not, I just felt ill in the lower back rather than a jabbing disc kind of pain, but I just assumed it had to be the spinal cord becoming irritated and let it all drag on - for years. All this time it could have been predominately an allergic reaction.

Now I'm fighting on two fronts. Not cheating (Mmmm ) on the Celiac thing, and hoping the stalactites removed from my spine will also show a result. As I said to the person formally known as my wife, there's a chance I could get my life back. Right now I'd give it 50-50 but I've had days where I wanted to paint the house and buy a Honda Fireblade. One has to try hard to curb these manic phases.


If this helps one person, it will have been worth it, but the number of people that are reacting to wheat now is astonishing. It seems as wheat is modified further, so more people react. There has to be better science on this. And soon.

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Old 14th Jul 2015, 11:44
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Either your bowls needed proper cleaning or, more likely, just an extra vowl
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Old 14th Jul 2015, 11:51
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Hee hee. One will edit . . . again.
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Old 14th Jul 2015, 11:52
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Spines are a bad slip up on evolutions part,we could have managed perfetly well with just two long bones like the leg wi a hinge in the middle so we could sit down.
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Old 14th Jul 2015, 12:18
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I've been treating occasional back pain with a strong laxative for years. It's always seemed obvious to me that as there are no nerve endings in your intestines, if problems arise there the nearest "sensors" are along the spine and that is where you will feel it.

Currently repopulating my gut with probiotics via a fermented milk called Kefir which I make daily, and by making raw sauerkraut that is also probiotics rich. Note: Bought sauerkraut has been pasteurised and doesn't contain any probiotics. The only way to get the raw stuff is by making it yourself.

Been on the probiotics for four months now and haven't had a single twinge out of my back for all four months. PM me if anyone wants more info.
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Likewise with the sympathy Rob. I have had serious back pain for the last 23 years but that is/was due to doing an extremely stupid thing in an aircraft.

I crashed the bloody thing!

The main injury was `An unstable compression fracture of the first Lumbar vertebrae.`

About nine hours on an operating table in Townsville base hospital saw me `grafted, spliced and braced` as I put it. Vertebrae fused from T12 to L2 and steel rods and pins inserted.

The steel bits had to come out after about 15 months because I contracted Hospital Staph in the wound which never healed over because of it, and gave me such pain as I occasionally wished someone would shoot me and put me out of my misery! Had more than one pethedine jab way back then, just to stop me screaming the place down.

Pain is still with me and always will be. But it`s much like a realationship with a Woman;

You are always in the S##t. It`s just the depth that varies!

But next time I visit the local Medico I might just ask him to run a check for Coeliac as well.

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Old 14th Jul 2015, 12:40
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It's not just coeliac disease.
It can be an accumulation of stuff in the lower bowel that your innards have not properly dealt with.
In my case, I have to be careful of "full" meals. ....- full 3 or more course meals. Innards don't like it.
I can only eat real decent steak every now and then as innards very slow to break it down and re-cycle it.

Luckily, someone invented all-bran. Fibre is good for you!!
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Old 14th Jul 2015, 12:58
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Thanks for the other replies and indeed the sympathetic thoughts. One is mindful about Pinky! Aaaagh, that sounds fearful. One is by comparison very lucky.

I'll look at the gut issues and reread again tonight.


Trouble is, relying on corn and the like doesn't mean it's gluten free.

In 2011 I found a local bakery with a chap that had been formally diagnosed. He made a wonderful loaf consisting of teff grass. I think it preceded wheat and is still used in Ethiopia for example. It did not touch me, and for the first time in years I enjoyed my morning toast and marmalade, a staple since my yoof.

At that time 390Cruise and I used to well, cruise around the Naze etc. Trying to keep up with him was a challenge. If he reduced to turbulence-penetration speed for a while I could manage three miles or so - a fraction of his daily trog. But here's the thing. I still used to press up on iron railings etc., because of the specific back issue, but the feeling of illness wasn't there, well, at least most of the time. The bread was so filling that it there was no need for any other food in that category - meat, veg and fruit was all that was needed.

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LR, That's a very interesting concept. Like most men over 50 I have a split disc at the 4th lumbar which can cause varying amounts of pain, from just inconvenient to extremely debilitating.

About 5 years ago I was encouraged by my daughter to undergo a course of Network Spinal Analysis (NSA). I was very sceptical at first and thought that it was a money making scam but, just to please my daughter, I agreed to take part. After three sessions, during which the chiropractor just gently touches different parts of your spine, I was amazed to find that I was standing much straighter and this effect has lasted to some extent ever since. Just after this treatment I was invigilating at the local University and this involved many hours of standing about. I found that the most comfortable position was perfectly upright and erect. This is something I have always been bad at.

Now, because I persist in playing competitive tennis at 75 years of age, my lower back is giving me quite a few problems and I am undergoing another course of NSA. Once again I am enjoying the feeling of being more erect but the jury is still out on whether it will sort out the main problem.

The theory is that, as we go through the stresses of life, our spine becomes compressed and curved. This can bring other organs e.g. bowels, closer to to the central nervous system. NSA claims to reprogramme the nervous system and restore it to to its original state.

All I can say at the moment is that it certainly works up to a point. I need further treatment before I will know if it will cure my main problem but the chiropractor seems confident that it will. If anyone is interested I will report further as and when.
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Old 14th Jul 2015, 13:20
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Most interesting, pulse 1.

For my problem, I find that a good long massage, preferably Japanese Shiatsu (which generally is extremely painful for about the first 10 or so minutes!)
helps me immensely.

If I can find a practicioner in NSA back home I`ll give it a go.

Struth, after over 23 years of the sort of pain I have, I`ll try anything!!!

Prescription painkillers no longer work so I no longer use them, and they have also ripped the lining off my stomach. I used to love spicy Indian Curries and still do, but they don`t love me any more!!
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Pinky,

Just to encourage you (and me), during my first course of NSA I was sitting in the waiting room. A lady came out of the treatment room looking very shocked. She sat down and then then said, "I can't tell you what it feels like to be without pain for the first time in 25 years". It was quite moving.
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Old 14th Jul 2015, 14:24
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I've often wondered to myself if many of our most-common ailments, including everything mentioned above so far, but including perhaps wrongly-diagnosed back-pain, other skeletal and muscular disorders, even diabetes etc. might all be simply down to our own digestive and intestinal functions having been impaired in some way. Either through the consumption of the usual and known noxious substances tied to personal vices, but particularly all those antibiotics which most people have been prescribed almost willy-nilly over decades. Or even simply all the waste antibiotics which are also prevalent in the 1st World's drinking water supplies and which we all innocently consume...

It wouldn't at all surprise me were a "transfer" of gut or other bacteria from other regions of the body, from a healthy individual to a sick one, and at regular intervals to some day be proven to be extremely beneficial.

But where would you find such a healthy person? In the jungles of the Amazon from members of a lost tribe? The poorer parts of the Indian sub-continent? And how would the transfer be effected relatively easily, painlessly and undisgustingly? Swallowing someone else's vomit or otherwise injecting their healthy stool up one's anus wouldn't put me completely off the idea. But if only I was sure.
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injecting their healthy stool up one's anus
Some animals, such as the koala bear, eat their mum's poo so that the gut receives the necessary bugs to digest their food. The medical folk now have a procedure where they give patients who have certain gut problems a poo drink to do the same.
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Old 14th Jul 2015, 16:08
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I've heard that Kiwis practise something similarly beneficial on their sheep using another technique. But a Kiwi I know says the Ozzies are even better at it. Whatever, what's indisputable is that both Australia and New Zealand are world leaders in the production of sheep for export.
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I found out after 20 years of problems that one leg being ever so slightly shorter (millimeters) than the other caused me hip pain after 5-A side football.

After getting arch supports changed ever so slightly i found the issue sorted itself out.

Still get occasional problem though.
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I undertand that faecal transplants have been successful in the treatment of inflammatory bowel disease. Can't remember where I read it. Read so much these days on issues relating to the gut that lose track of where. There is research that shows that 90% of children diagnosed with Autism have different Biome (gut bugs) to non-autistic children.

Read somewhere that some senior medical specialist had commented that antibiotics are not the benign silver bullet that everyone had taken them for. Suspect it's a bit like applying a tourniquet. Fixes an immediate problem, but the after effects need to be recognised and dealt with. With antibiotics they never have - until now (hope).
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Wasn't Adolf Hitler's Doctor keen on giving him poo drinks or similar to cure ailments.
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Old 10th Aug 2015, 00:24
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Anyone with wheat allergies should try spelt bread. The Romans are said to have used spelt. Tastes good and feels light on the stomach.
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One of the things that gives me lower back pain is drinking carbonated soft (pop) drinks. Coca-cola is the worst offender.
I've come to the conclusion that it's one of the acids or chemicals added to the Coke recipe. I steer clear of soft drinks, and hey presto! - the lower back pain disappears.
I have noticed that some foods and medications also have a similar result. Once again, no doubt due to foreign chemicals that the bodys muscles don't like.
Seems like these chemicals cause the muscles to tighten up, and even sometimes, go into spasm. The problem is trying to accurately pinpoint the source or origin of the problem.
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Old 10th Aug 2015, 08:49
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Interesting that no one has yet mentioned beds. I`ve suffered lower back pain for years, and have bought bed after bed. Tried soft, firm, orthopaedic, hard and ultra hard mattresses, and have finally settled on a firm mattress with solid base. On a recent occasion to alleviate severe back pain I slept on the sitting room floor, very uncomfortable at first, but it sure straightened out the spine. I`m known to do this several times a year and I sympathise with you all.
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