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Old 10th Jun 2015, 11:35
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Home is where the heart is!

vee-tail-1 Quote :-" To those of us who feel at home in Europe.."

I have read several of your posts and it would seem that you don't even feel at home in this country.
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Old 10th Jun 2015, 12:27
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Oh my goodness. The loonies are loose, heaven help us.
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Old 11th Jun 2015, 09:26
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Unfortunately this desire to fit in, to respect local culture and show good manners, is not always observed by some Brits
Indeed it's not; you're right there.

Much as it isn't by yobs from many other European countries, let's see now; France, Germany, Poland, to name but a few.

As you might see if you got out more.
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Old 11th Jun 2015, 09:53
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If I were a European resident, I'd want Britain out of the EU so that we could dump all our transient immigrants onto her shores without her government being able to make a sustainable objection. If I were a British resident, I'd want to get out of the EU so that the country couldn't be subjected to immigrant quota allocation by a political faction in Brussels.
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Old 11th Jun 2015, 10:15
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No ! OUT... OUT... OUT...!
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Old 11th Jun 2015, 11:23
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NO! Vee-tail repeats the verbal diarrhoea spouted by one "Simon Sweeney"
the epitome of a lefty ham-shanker who has never done a proper day's work in his lifetime, but rides on the coat-tails of those that do.

Trade... the world beat a path to our door, even early post-war, our mediocrity was less mediocre than the opposition's We'll still sell them (a debatable) 57% IF they want it! ( Don't see China or Japan in the EC and we buy buggerall from them, eh? ?
regeneration money/- so we never spent our own money without Eurocrats skimming a chunk off.????
Given the international competition and free choice, you say we'd have filthy beaches and rivers, leaded petrol would not be superseded? we wouldn't be more circumspect with landfill, given the reducing availability of sites?
Much recycling is JOB CREATION....A specialist lorry~£10,000 a year depreciation, 4 blokes manning it, crawling around the streets at _6 MPG to pick up a few thousand tins and plastic bottles.....c'm on, get real!
Mobile phones/ air travel... Among other things, their pricing is a result of a mature, saturated market....price comes down naturally! (elementary economics that escapes the lefty loons)
Food safety/additives, etc....Market forces would make inferior products unsaleable....(let's not mention the safe,edible, EC regulated Horseburgers, among other stuff)

Animal welfare???? force-feeding Geese for Foi Gras, anyone? (but one example)

People have emigrated and lived on "foreign" countries , for millenia. If an emigrant has something to offer the host, they will be welcomed. EC or not!

Military cooperation....worked well in Kosovo among other conflicts, didn't it?

(what the hell is NATO for? )

Human rights/border protection.... Yes, the hordes in France waiting to get into Britain bear testimony to the E C's effectiveness.

Do we really subsidise cretins to spout this sort of bilge?

OUT OUT OUT
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Old 11th Jun 2015, 11:50
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I don't think that Europe should be in the EU
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Old 11th Jun 2015, 14:53
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Is anyone counting the votes? Volunteer step forward please. You shall be well rewarded.

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Old 11th Jun 2015, 15:02
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Leave the EU. Now.
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Old 11th Jun 2015, 15:26
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I used to think NO but now I'm not so sure. I'll listen carefully to all the arguments and read widely before I decide how to vote. Sorry to be boring but it is actually too important to be dealt with in a knee-jerk.
Possibly the best post so far on this thread, why are the normally sensible people on here so vehement in their opinions when the facts have not yet been established?
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Old 11th Jun 2015, 15:27
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Not counting cats, family members and assorted ambiguities, that might make for 15 Ayes and 39 Nays.
But that could be incorrect and it's not a boring afternoon on the Sovetskiy Soyuz.
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Old 11th Jun 2015, 17:34
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when the facts have not yet been established?

I think the facts are bleeding obvious!
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Old 11th Jun 2015, 19:51
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NO, OUT, I TELL 'E, OUT
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Old 11th Jun 2015, 20:24
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I voted NO last time.

Nothing has happened in the interim to give me any reason to vote otherwise this time ( if it comes to pass . If it does , it will be "fixed" somehow)
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 16:06
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NO

Britain has (approximately):

17.5% of EU GDP
12.5% of EU population
9% of MEPs
2.8% of the influence (1 Commissioner out of 28)

Our trade is increasingly outside the EU despite the EU's growth:

Jan 1998: 60% EU (15 countries), 40% external.
Jan 2015: 45% EU (28 countries), 55% external (source: ONS)
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 17:48
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Out. Now.

Net cost of EU membership is c £15billion per annum. (Source - Times)
No. of UK taxpayers. 31m. (Source - gov.uk)

Cost per head per annum....c £500. The tax from £ 2500 of your income.

BUT - the Brit Civil Service get lots and lots of Goodies - tax free - from membership. They will never let us leave.
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 18:52
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when the facts have not yet been established?

I think the facts are bleeding obvious!

Mostafa, my point is that we will be invited to vote on the proposal to remain in the EU based on the final negotiations regarding our membership obligations and commitments.
My guess is that many people will have a definite opinion and will vote on their inclinations regardless of any changes ( if any) of our terms of membership.

I was merely supporting the idea that we might review the changes or improvements before making a final decision.
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 19:43
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There won't be any meaningful changes to our membership, there can't be. It would destroy the EU if they were to give any significant changes, as everybody would want changes and the EU would do nothing for the exit 25 years but ratify individual countries memberships
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Old 12th Jun 2015, 19:50
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There is not one single final negotiation; that will make a difference for me. I have had 40+ years to decide and nothing that Mr Camoron can say think or do will make one iota of difference to the way I and many others, will vote.

I say forget the politics, forget deals, forget negotiations - just give us, the people who voted him in and those who didn't (me) the opportunity to vote on what he made very clear prior to being elected.

I work in a country that plays a very big part in Europe and is certainly not a member and they are doing very nicely, thank you.

Like you, I also look forward to reviewing his daft wish list but our PM is not even making said list public. I mean, real straight forward yes/no questions, but that's his way of doing politics - fudge.

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Old 12th Jun 2015, 20:47
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I tend to agree with MOSTAFA on this, just gives us the opportunity for the straightforward vote. I personally cannot see anything that can change about the EU or the UK's membership of the EU that would make me vote Yes. Time to leave this flawed experiment.

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