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Old 28th Apr 2015, 16:14
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Not yet. Still looking. But they were posted in this thread a few weeks ago. I recommend you do a search if knowing those levels is important to you.
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 16:20
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Originally Posted by KenV View Post
The above quote is indicative of what passes for logic among the zealots. Let's explore that logic.

1. I have been diagnosed as having OPIN (organophosphate induced neuropathy), by an extremely eminent scientist.

I have been diagnosed with having ultra violet induced skin cancer (melanoma) by multiple eminent oncologists.


2. Those particular organophosphates have been found in the air I was breathing onboard the aircraft I flew.

Those particular frequencies of ultra violet have been found to be emitted by the flourescent lights where I work.

3. The oil which was used in the engines warned about the dangers of breathing in the fumes from that oil, and specifically that it could cause nerve damage

We are warned about exposure to the ultra violet frequencies emitted by flourescent lights, and specifically that they could cause melanoma.

So should I conclude that there is a "vast conspiracy" including numerous "vested interersts" to "cover up" the truth of "mass murder"?

I think not. Clearly our zealots think otherwise.
Sorry Ken, I've never mentioned any conspiracy to commit mass murder. You said you were going provide us with figures which showed what the safe levels are for exposure to Tricresyl phosphate. If you can't provide those figures, just say so. That doesn't make me a zealot or a liar
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 16:36
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It is interesting that some on here are trying to attribute ulterior motives on here.

There is an obvious group who have a stake, and it is not those like me who merely fly with no health issues.

I am merely interested in the truth. I get nothing either way.

It is very revealing that explorer is only interested in "the balance of probabilities"

Not fact which is what scientific research would get.

There is a reason for this, as he has stated.

He wants a payout, and balance of probabilities is more likely to get him cash than truth. Still unlikely unless he can find a really gullible court, but more likely.
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 16:36
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Sorry Ken, I've never mentioned any conspiracy to commit mass murder.
I never said or suggested you did.

You said you were going provide us with figures which showed what the safe levels are for exposure to Tricresyl phosphate. If you can't provide those figures, just say so.
Try post #104.

That doesn't make me a zealot or a liar
It may or may not make you one. But several posting here certainly are. I was referring to them.
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 16:46
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Originally Posted by Tourist View Post
It is interesting that some on here are trying to attribute ulterior motives on here.

There is an obvious group who have a stake, and it is not those like me who merely fly with no health issues.

I am merely interested in the truth. I get nothing either way.

It is very revealing that explorer is only interested in "the balance of probabilities"

Not fact which is what scientific research would get.

There is a reason for this, as he has stated.

He wants a payout, and balance of probabilities is more likely to get him cash than truth. Still unlikely unless he can find a really gullible court, but more likely.
I have already given some scientific facts, and was merely using the balance of probabilities to get some sense of balance in this thread. As for some sort of payout, it would be nice, but I do not have the resources to tackle a big corporation. In reality, I now have to get by on about one third of what my income was. I wonder how you would feel if you had a pay cut of two thirds
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 16:49
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Originally Posted by KenV View Post
I never said or suggested you did.

Try post #104.

It may or may not make you one. But several posting here certainly are. I was referring to them.
Still waiting for your exposure limits?
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 16:57
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My oh my. You not only don't read what others post, you don't read what you post. My answer was right there in the quote you quoted.
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 16:58
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Originally Posted by KenV View Post
I never said or suggested you did.

Try post #104.

It may or may not make you one. But several posting here certainly are. I was referring to them.
Thanks Ken, checked 104. What would you about levels 14000 times higher than those levels for instance. Could that be considered safe?
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 17:04
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Gotta agree with oscar zoroaster - the coroner's conclusions are not scientifically supportable.

And the conflict of interests in the co-authors of Dr. Abou-Donia's paper is as plain as the nose on my face.

Give us some real unbiased scientific and epidemiological facts about Aerotoxic syndrome and I'll start to pay attention. A lot of attention.



If I were to change my therapeutic approach to problems at every vague and anecdotal "complication" occasionally reported by my patients, I'd be changing my procedures day-by-day and have no consistency to look back and learn from.
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 17:04
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A pay cut of two thirds would really hurt. (might have to sell the second yacht!)


It would not, however much I wished it to, warp reality and invalidate the laws of science.



Desperately wanting to blame someone for misfortune is the new culture.

Sometimes bad things happen. It doesn't all have to be someones fault, and in fact rarely is.

There are a billion things in the modern world which affect us all to the detriment of our health.
Known things. Things that are proven and affect everyone.
Things like particulates from diesel engines.
Hormones in the rivers.

Do you see us all getting a payout from the car manufacturers?
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 17:23
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Thanks Ken, checked 104. What would you about levels 14000 times higher than those levels for instance. Could that be considered safe?
Certainly doesn't sound safe. But then again, any number all by itself can be made to not sound safe. I'd have to know more about what the number represents and how it was generated to provide a cogent answer.
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 18:58
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You failed to offer a link to the Quest website you have allegedly researched.
Wait, what? YOU made the claim these filters remove organophosphates. YOU need to provide the link that supports your claim. NOTHING on Quest's website supports your claim. And NOTHING on Airmanager marine's website (which uses the same technology) supports your claim.
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As for the fact that the filters are installed in the aircraft's air recirculation system, you may want to start here:
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 19:03
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In reality, I now have to get by on about one third of what my income was. I wonder how you would feel if you had a pay cut of two thirds
Been there. You're right, it sucks.

But I never became a zealot who went on a crusade to prove the industry that formerly employed me is colluding in a vast conspiracy to commit "mass murder".
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 19:40
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Sorry Ken, should have been more specific, but dinner was on the table! Anyway, what I am referring to is a test that was carried out (scientifically). The purpose of the test was to establish the level of TCP's is the environment outside the aircraft, compared to the air inside the cabin. The pilot operating the flight carried an air testing machine while he did his "walk round" (for non aviators, this is the term for carrying out external checks before the flight). That machine was then taken away to a laboratory and tested for TCP's. Another test was done during the flight, and the same test was done at the same laboratory. Both tests showed positive for TCP's, however, the one done on the ground showed that the level of TCP's (toxins) was 14000 times higher. So while you seem insistent that the levels of TCP's found in aircraft cabins is safe, and cannot reasonably be the cause of the nerve damage that many pilots and cabin crew have experienced. What about the levels as high as those shown in that test, or are we all still getting damage to our nervous systems from our homes, our cars, and Starbucks? On that assumption that has been mentioned several times on this forum, damage in homes etc, can I just point out the obvious. My family live in the same house as me, with no signs of OPIN. My neighbours also live in similar houses, drive similar cars, and live similar lifestyles. Again no OPIN. In fact, in the whole community where I live, nobody else has had the same problems that I've had, apart from one person, and I'll come back to that. In Fact, the only people I know with this problem (apart from one), are airline/airport employees. Why is that? So the other person. I have been advised by several doctors, who have all agreed on the cause of my problems, that one way to try to get rid of the toxins, is to go for a sauna. I try to go three times a week, but some days, I can't even get out of bed! Anyway, one day I was in the sauna, having a good sweat. A gentleman came in (on Crutches) and joined me. A conversation started, and he asked me what I did for a job. I explained that I had been an airline captain, but had been grounded for health problems. He was fascinated by my problems because he had experienced very similar problems, and after many years, the same diagnosis of damage to his nervous system due to organophosphates. His job? Sheep farmer. Just as was shown in the article posted earlier in this thread, many sheep farmers have been affected by organophosphates, now acknowledged by the UK government. Thoughts? And please tell me where I have said that there is a conspiracy for mass murder!

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Old 28th Apr 2015, 20:19
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Originally Posted by explorer61 View Post
Both tests showed positive for TCP's, however, the one done on the ground showed that the level of TCP's (toxins) was 14000 times higher.
The one on the ground - as in the one taken during the walk around showed 14000 times higher than the one taken airborne?
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 20:28
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Originally Posted by Lord Spandex Masher View Post
The one on the ground - as in the one taken during the walk around showed 14000 times higher than the one taken airborne?
Correct. Both done in same lab
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 20:45
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^^^^ proof that flying is good for you. It removes us from the polluted air we breath on the ground.


Amazing that tdracer, as a Boeing spy, is reporting the same statements made 787 line pilots who aren't spies for the military/industrial complex trying to poison us. Lower noise and cabin pressure, along wth increased humidity, is an improvement in the 787. Crew rest areas are a step backwards. Smaller diameter fuselage is probably the reason.
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 21:05
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I have a friend who now flies a 787 after 25 years on 73/75/76. He was sceptical about the whole AS thing. He now tells me that he cannot believe how much "better" he feels on a daily basis. Anecdotal I know
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 21:46
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Explorer61, do you realize what it is you said in post #624?
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Old 28th Apr 2015, 21:49
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What of it
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