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Old 1st Jul 2015, 15:46
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As ever, the usual anti-BBC fraternity spout forth without actually considering what the BBC provides....

Now, I agree some of the current light entertainment, we can start with " The One show" here, is pure luvvie dross, as are the presenters, and there are several "fearless reporters" who clearly got kicked out of RADA...along with a few others who feel they have to hector all those little people who actually live outside the London area....BUT, and it's a big BUT. what you get overall is well worth the money....no sodding adverts for a start !.

I have just watched two excellent, and the BBC Natural history unit do this sort of stuff brilliantly, even if they then screw up with a lousy voice over presenter at times...but no matter.

The programmes about monkeys and Japans islands were a pleasure to watch.

Anyway, here's some other stuff, as they say, wot the Beeb does.

Official TV Licensing website - What does your licence fee pay for?

I won't have anything to do with Murdoch, irrespective of the concept, on principle. For those who are daft enough therefore, to spend their money on the various packages, bundles or whatever marketing term you prefer, have they, I wonder, ever done some very basic cost / benefit analysis as to how much it is costing them to watch how many hours of programmes per day ?....people have to sleep / work / socialise / travel etc.
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 15:48
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Like others here. I would happily pay a 'licence fee' for just radio - say £10 a year. I have no TV, I have no intention of getting one and I object violently to the concept of raising Council tax as an alternative to current TV licence. The move to DAB is interesting in that here, the Radio 4 FM field strength has gone down - and not just by a little bit. I reckon at least 10dB, while despite the vehement denials by the BBC, the technical quality of R3 has gone down because of multiplexing too many channels.

So the TV Licencing people keep spending a small fortune sending me letters every so often and threatening to visit. They have the confounded impudence to expect me to pay to either telephone them or write to them to confirm I do not have a TV set - so I ignore their letters and it costs them a hell of a lot more than providing a second class business reply envelope or an 0800 number. Even more if they do visit..... And they refuse to pay my professional charges for answering questions of £62.5/hour with a minimum of 4 hours......so stuff 'em!

Interestingly, with both cars at home, there is no parking available on my property and the public road is 1/2 mile away. I wonder if they turn up if the farmer who owns the lane could turn them off if they park on his property?...
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 17:37
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Radio 4 FM has been dire round here for the past few weeks.

I also suspect the signal strength has dropped, but what made it much worse was a 'music' station that appeared under it, then gradually swamped the R4 signal at times.

Suddenly, thankfully, it's gone! Good onya OFCOM if it was a pirate you've closed down.
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 19:06
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So the TV Licencing people keep spending a small fortune sending me letters every so often
They stopped sending me the letters many years ago - I just binned them.

A bloke did turn up once - it happened to be convenient to let him in, he observed that the telly was connected only to the video recorder (no aerial connection), and he went away again.
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Old 1st Jul 2015, 19:15
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By and large I think the BBC offers good value. Sure it get some things wrong, but there ain't a human institution in the land that does not. Its educational output is first class. The one thing about the BBC that does annoy me is its much vaunted impartiality, I think they fool themselves there. Oh and another one thing is the ridiculous amount they pay the so called celebs that they created in the first place, usual loud mouths like Clarkson and Ross et al. They say they have to pay the going rate for the talent. Hand in a bucket of water springs to mind - there's plenty of talent champing at the bit waiting for their opportunity.

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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 09:44
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Nick Booth: Robin Hood in reverse. How the BBC robs the poor and gives to multi-millionaire presenters
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 10:10
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Being that the BBC seems to be devoting two entire channel full time to bloody tennis and the talking heads who dribble on about it constantly at the moment, perhaps it's time that the vast hordes of the population who find tennis in all its forms mind numbingly boring a rebate on the licence fee?
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 10:57
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One agrees Mr D, that, the Beeb do have a certain capability to over promote certain events.....however, the channel selector overcomes this inconvenience...

That said, this item should bring rounds of applause from the many Beeb detractors on here.......

BBC to cut more than 1,000 job cuts - BBC News

Because few will bother to think about the impact on the lives of the 1000 soon to be jobless and the effects on their families.....
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 12:36
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Cutting job cuts?

I still think the threatening letters the BBC sends out are enough reason on their own to do away with the licence fee. I had a tussle with them because they said I didn't have a licence, and I knew I did. I was hoping their enforcers would turn up at the door, but SWMBO phoned 'em up and gave them the licence number.
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 12:55
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KnC are you suggesting that those jobs shouldn't be cut then?

If so then please extend that philosophy for me - would it be that NO jobs should be cut, regardless of the "non-jobs" that the people concerned are doing?

BBC does do some fine work BUT… it has grown too big and should, in my opinion, be cut by 60-70%. It should be a public service broadcaster, doing news, current events, documentaries. The rest, in my view, can go commercial and live or die as its audience so decides.
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 13:24
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BBC Licence Fee £145.50
Virgin Media less the Broadband/Telephone £384 (includes a lot of channels we've never even looked at)
Total: £529.50 a year.

Viewing time:
1. About one hour in the morning, while eating breakfast etc.
2. Average two hours in the evening after dinner. [Some days more other days not turned on at all].

3x365 = 1095 hours

Cost = £0.48 pence an hour.

If we used "Freeview" we could cut that down to nothing, but the picture quality is not so good and we would lose some channels such as France 24 etc.
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 13:34
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Agreed that £0.48/hr isn't much BUT… my point its that it could (and should?) be <£0.20/hr, if they cut it down to a reasonable (appropriate) size
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 13:37
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If we used "Freeview" we could cut that down to nothing, but the picture quality is not so good and we would lose some channels such as France 24 etc.
We get France 24 (Ch 205) and many more on Freesat with good reception, no Dave though.
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 13:46
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KnC are you suggesting that those jobs shouldn't be cut then?

Now where did I suggest or even imply that ?..I didn't. What I said was the job cuts would appeal to the many BBC detractors on here. Those who cannot, and will not, understand there is far more to the BBC than BBC 1 / 2 / 3 / and for those who can find it, 4.

Job cuts, in any sector, are invariably the first option of the accounting / management brigade as the cost savings are easy to substantiate. There may well be cases of overlap, and some positions that really no longer have a function, but when you start saying 1000 people are to be made redundant, then it's far more serious than just a few "lifers".

If so then please extend that philosophy for me - would it be that NO jobs should be cut, regardless of the "non-jobs" that the people concerned are doing?


So how do you know all these people are doing "non jobs" then ?.

BBC does do some fine work BUT… it has grown too big and should, in my opinion, be cut by 60-70%. It should be a public service broadcaster, doing news, current events, documentaries. The rest, in my view, can go commercial and live or die as its audience so decides

Really ?.....cut by 60-70 % ?...is that an arbitrary figure or one you calculated on the back of the Mail / Times or any other Murdoch rag.

Once you lose the range of diversity the BBC provides, and diversity is a key component of the BBC's services overall, then you won't get them back.

Are you, and indeed the other millions out there, actually daft enough to believe commercial broadcasters are going to provide a similar range of diversity for the same current cost ?

I agree, the licence fee needs to be reviewed or at least how it is collected and even how the BBC is funded, BUT, under no circumstances should the BBC, warts and all, be sacrificed to appease those who are so blissfully ignorant as to the overall quality of the BBC and the contrast to the advert focused commercial dross that many seem to feel would be a suitable replacement.
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I woke up and smelled the coffee earlier this year. Got the necessary form from the internet and cancelled my then-current licence. The licencing farce has of course been outsourced by the government and is now run by the firm that's aiming to take over the world i.e. Capita.

Anyway I subsequently got my refund for the full months unexpired. I find that my viewing has become much more selective now that I only watch catch-up TV.
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Until the tax paying folk are assured by rigorous analysis from someone with NO interest in the BBC, via some sort of ZBB analysis, I suggest it is fair to say that the BBC does far too much, and does so with massive over-manning.
I have no idea why some folk think it is fair for the BBC tax to be taken from the poor and given to the over-paid.
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Old 2nd Jul 2015, 17:26
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I live in Hong Kong. I often query the internet on worldwide current events, topical news etc. Too many results are from the BBC, with a strangely nuanced view.
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Old 3rd Jul 2015, 08:54
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These 1000 jobs to be cut...

Professional and support departments such as IT, human resources and engineering will be looked at closely to see where there is duplication, with the possibility of merging divisions across the BBC and its commercial arm, BBC Worldwide.
In many areas, you do have duplication because of the amount of work. BBC Engineering has been very hard hit over recent years. The amount of work stays the same, it still needs doing, but is contracted out - because it has to be. Often, to the very people that were employed to do it - because they have the necessary skills. Quite often the contracting is at a much higher pay rate than when they were employed. Admittedly, there are savings because the employer isn't having to insure them against accident, pay NI contributions, do the PAYE, pay into a pension fund, provide office space etc although the savings are not always as much as one might imagine. If you need a job doing for which, for example, specialist engineering knowledge is required, you are over a barrel when the ex-employee starts negotiating. The alternative is to hire another consultant who has to get up to speed while charging his rate per hour....

IT is an interesting area, because when things go wrong, you need IT support immediately - not in a couple of days time. That costs....but the lost time is booked to the affected department and not to an 'IT overhead'.

Far too many decisions are made in industry without looking at the whole picture, but just as how a saving may be made in one part of an organisation, regardless of the effects elsewhere. I wonder how much real savings have been made by putting the operation of the transmitters out to Merlin.
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Old 7th Jul 2015, 12:25
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The Times reports to-day that the Beeb have been given permission to raise the license tax again.

Bl**dy politicians. The place needs to lose 60% of costs before they get any money.
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