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Old 16th Apr 2015, 07:41
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Chemtrail debunking...

Not sure if this is worth the pain, but a friend is upset that "they" are spraying stuff overhead and wants to know what it is and why.

She took this photo overhead the eastern suburbs of Melbourne (Nunawading) at 1152 EST on 15/04.



Is there anyway (Flight Radar 24 etc) that I can find out which flight this might have been for her to convince her of reality, rather than the conspiracy that she seems fond of? I tried FR24, but I don't know enough info to even have a chance of tracking it down.
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Old 16th Apr 2015, 07:54
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Don't waste your time.


You'll never ever "convince her of reality".


Do a search for "Confirmation Bias" and "Inductive Reasoning"...
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Old 16th Apr 2015, 08:01
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Just tell her to make herself a hat out of alfoil & line it with a thick layer of peanut butter, then she will be safe from it!

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Old 16th Apr 2015, 08:19
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Tell her that the 'stuff' is Dihydrogen Monoxide.

Then let her figure it out for herself.
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Old 16th Apr 2015, 08:28
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OK, so we've been through all the rational and scientific arguments about why and how*. They're not very effective against the non-and-pseudo-scientific of the world.

I reckon if I could demonstrate that it was VA666 or whatever and show her the FR24 plot, it stands some chance of convincing her that even normal scheduled flights can do this in the right atmospheric conditions.

I have no idea what flight might be travelling over Melbourne so high though, so searching for it on FR24 is the proverbial needle and haystack stuff.


*haven't mentioned peanut butter though. I might try...
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Old 16th Apr 2015, 08:31
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Can't remember the flight no., but a radio host, who happens to be a plane-spotter as well, said it was en-route to Singapore from Auckland.
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Old 16th Apr 2015, 08:32
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Refer her to "contrails" on Wikipedia.

It has a pretty fair blurb.
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Old 16th Apr 2015, 08:35
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That wouldn't work Andy, it would only "prove" Qantas etc were in on the conspiracy.

There is a serious side to your point. Our airline industry does a poor job of telling the world about what we do. Even some intelligent people who don't subscribe to the chemtrail nonsense believe there is something noxious about contrails, likewise many people believe the tip vortices on landing are fuel dumping.
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Old 16th Apr 2015, 08:40
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It was SQ298 from Christchurch to Singapore at 36,000 feet.Over Nunawading at 1149.
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Old 16th Apr 2015, 08:48
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Thankyou gentlemen!

I'll report back on the effects of evidence and peanut butter...
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Old 16th Apr 2015, 09:18
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Don't expect your "evidence" to have any effect on her beliefs.
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Old 16th Apr 2015, 09:30
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Tell her to visit western Europe on a nice cold winters morning and look up.


She will wet her pants seeing multiple vapor trails criss crossing all over the place.

Actually you'll see a few over Canberra in winter as well.

Woop dee doo...
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Old 16th Apr 2015, 09:52
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Does she also believe that cooking in a microwave oven kills all the 'life force' in food ? I know someone that does.Her belief cannot be altered whatever evidence I present.Just give up
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Maybe send her this link, although she probably won't believe what the various spokespersons said.

Great HP's though

Contrails left by jetliners | Ipswich Queensland Times

Incidentally looking at WebTrak, the only aircraft consistent would be JST705 ML-HB @ 1132EST-

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Old 16th Apr 2015, 10:06
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You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
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Old 16th Apr 2015, 10:37
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Yeah - I'd just get a new friend - less heartache
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Old 16th Apr 2015, 11:09
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Or refer her to this facebook page its an absolute pi$$er!!

https://www.facebook.com/Internation...f=ts&ref=br_tf
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Old 16th Apr 2015, 11:21
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Originally Posted by Track5milefinal View Post
Or refer her to this facebook page its an absolute pi$$er!!

https://www.facebook.com/Internation...f=ts&ref=br_tf
LOL!

I especially like this photo!

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Old 16th Apr 2015, 11:23
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I know someone that does. Her belief cannot be altered whatever evidence I present. Just give up

Microwave units ...

My elderly mother is in the same boat .. she caught the disease from her younger sister. The latter knows it's silly but just can't help herself. Other than that, she's quite lovely.

Guess the genetics ordain that I will be a handful for Sal when I really get into my old-timer's dotage
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Don't waste your time with these greenie types of imbecile.

They follow like sheep, and attain a mindset that it's all a conspiracy.
It's a serious concern to many that they are allowed to walk amongst us.
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