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Old 28th Jul 2019, 20:55
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post




No personal accountability, noted. Your post also shows a lack of understanding of how government works (or sometimes doesnít work) at local, state and federal levels. If you plan to opine, is it too much to ask you do some studying? If you simply want recognition, start your own hamster thread. Make sure the first post is about how the US and Trump ensure your safety.


Maybe you should re-read my post, if it's not too much to ask?
Your tireless repetition on our obligation to be grateful to your country is duly noted.
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 20:56
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
AM, you must have missed the bit where I pointed out that the Dems have run those places for decades. Trump's only been there for 2.5 years, and the Feds don't run the cities here.
Fine if your places are run differently.
Like I said, don't know about the US.
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 21:06
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
Like I said, don't know about the US.
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Your post regarding local to regional issues and blaming the PM for them shows you dont understand the workings of the government here. Your admission is nice though.

Whether you or I for that matter like it, there's a construct we work through that differs greatly. In a small nation, geographically and in population, perhaps it makes sense to look at the central government to appropriate blame. Here, piles of crap in the city, the blame game starts locally.
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 21:10
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West Coast gets something right!

"It's racist because you choose to interpret it that way." (That would be Trump's remarks about one part of Baltimore, one inhabited mostly by Blacks and represented by Elijah Cummings, that "no human being would choose to live there.")

Damn, West Coast, it took you a while but you got there in the end: We do not perceive reality as such, but a reality shaped by our various beliefs and expectations! I am able to understand Trump's coded speech, where you seem either to choose not to do that, or else it is that you just can't get your mind to stretch that far.

I know people right here in Germany who can't quite get to the point where they interpret Hitler as a Jew-hater. I do that, of course, but they seem to get stuck on the guy's good intentions, and a whole lot of other niff-naff I choose to ignore. That's just me, of course, my choice.

Here we have just been shown an image of Trump with two black icons, Rosa Parks and Muhammed Ali, as if that were proof positive that Trump could not possibly be any sort of racist. If you want to zero in on just that image, ignoring Trump's long, disgraceful, and continuous history of racism, well ... that is your prerogative. When I look at the huge, steaming pile of orange-tinted crap that is Donald Trump then I see a racist, because, yes, I choose to interpret it that way.

Not that he is merely a racist! There is much, much more that is deeply wrong with Donald Trump. I would not want to sell the man short. Here, though, if we want to argue about Trump being a racist then how, West Coast, would you interpret what he said about that one district in Baltimore, that "no human being would choose to live there"?
(Keep in mind that it was not Baltimore as a whole that Trump condemned, but just that one district represented by Elijah Cummings. Or, as Trump would have it, Elijah Cumming. Dr. Freud, please call your office ....)

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Old 28th Jul 2019, 21:59
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Why is there murder and mayhem every weekend in Chicago?
Why are there piles of poo in San Fran?
Why is there typhoid in LA?
Why are there weekly riots in Portland?
Why did Detroit go bankrupt?
Why are NY cops standing around while perps throw water bombs at them?
And why can't Ballmer control its rodents?
And of course all these places would be beacons of the American Utopia if they had been run by the magical Republican party.

Anyone have a list of crap Republican districts, cities, states?
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 22:11
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Meadow, I'm happy if you can supply me a list of long-time Republican big cities in the USA that are crap-holes.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 00:49
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Meadow, I'm happy if you can supply me a list of long-time Republican big cities in the USA that are crap-holes.
Being honest, I can only think of one famous American mayor that is a republican from memory alone. His name is Rudy Guiliani, who famously cleaned up NYC with his no nonsense get tough approach. He is....a republican. Regardless of his future poilitical affiliations, if you honestly google his record, you will see what works to clean up a city ridden with crime and falling apart(and there were sections like that in the early '80's). I remember driving through the Bronx as a kid which looked like some sort of war zone(likely exaggerated) and Times square was full of drug dealers. Much improved now and the crime dropped precipitously.

Tough love from the republican. you can google on line to find out what the policies were.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 04:28
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Out of the largest 21 US cities, the 3 with Republican mayors/executives are heavily loaded with "military-industrial" facilities - which of course are a strong Federal Gov't influence. The Feds don't have to "run" a city to dump a lot of money and jobs into it.

WC's San Diego: NAS North Island, NAS Point Loma, MCAS Miramar, Amphibious Base Coronado, Naval Medical Center, Northrop-Grumman, Raytheon, General Atomics
Jacksonville, FL: NAS Jacksonville, Naval Station Mayport.
Fort Worth, Texas: Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth/NAS Fort Worth/Carswell Field, Defense Contract Management Agency, Lockheed-Martin, Textron/Bell (helicopters)

It's not an either/or - Fort Worth is a red city in a red state in any case, San Diego has an Amazon warehouse (courtesy of liberal WAPO owner Jeff Bezos), and good ol' Democratic Seattle is surrounded by several military bases (not to mention Boeing). Just an interesting data-point.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 06:46
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
Out of the largest 21 US cities, the 3 with Republican mayors/executives are heavily loaded with "military-industrial" facilities - which of course are a strong Federal Gov't influence. The Feds don't have to "run" a city to dump a lot of money and jobs into it.

WC's San Diego: NAS North Island, NAS Point Loma, MCAS Miramar, Amphibious Base Coronado, Naval Medical Center, Northrop-Grumman, Raytheon, General Atomics
Jacksonville, FL: NAS Jacksonville, Naval Station Mayport.
Fort Worth, Texas: Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth/NAS Fort Worth/Carswell Field, Defense Contract Management Agency, Lockheed-Martin, Textron/Bell (helicopters)

It's not an either/or - Fort Worth is a red city in a red state in any case, San Diego has an Amazon warehouse (courtesy of liberal WAPO owner Jeff Bezos), and good ol' Democratic Seattle is surrounded by several military bases (not to mention Boeing). Just an interesting data-point.

Are you aware that a number of the bases you mentioned in San Diego County are not in the city of San Diego?

Can look at that another way, San Fran used to have a large military complement, now they don’t and people shit in the streets.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 08:55
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What military "bases" are in Seattle? I must have missed them.

Tacoma, Bremerton, maybe. That is not Seattle, any more than Baltimore is Washington.

Back to the "list of rattiness". You have to get to #12 most ratty before you find a Republican one. That would be Fort Worth. Which, by your reasoning is actually Dallas, which is #13 most ratty, and then we are back to Democrat cities.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 10:29
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
What military "bases" are in Seattle? I must have missed them.

Tacoma, Bremerton, maybe. That is not Seattle, any more than Baltimore is Washington.

Back to the "list of rattiness". You have to get to #12 most ratty before you find a Republican one. That would be Fort Worth. Which, by your reasoning is actually Dallas, which is #13 most ratty, and then we are back to Democrat cities.
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I find it utterly fascinating that partizan politics trump a love for your own country. Cant you guys come together to sort out your own rodent infested places or do you not give a rats ass? SHAME.

How many times have you stood with your hands over your hearts and pledged your allegience...'one Nation, under god' when in actual fact its just ashes in the mouth. It takes real leadership and love for your country to come together. I dont see any of that from what ive read and seen.

BTW. Trump tweeted years ago for Obama to go to Baltimore and sort it out. Perhaps Westy could go to the WH to teach the President about internal US politics.

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Old 29th Jul 2019, 15:14
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Who are "you guys" Toady?
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 16:33
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Well, Toadstool, it is true that politics determines everything in the US, and that is one of the less savory aspects of this democracy. It has been said that the only issue required to get elected is the ability to fix the potholes in the roads.

However, rats are a microcosm of the greater divide. We have one party that sees political power as an end unto itself, and will do anything and say anything to remain in power because that is all they know. A tendency of left-leaning politicians worldwide.

We have another party which wants less government and more individual responsibility, since they usually enter politics temporarily, from some other career or business. Less tolerant of those who prefer not to work or get an education. Their desire for political power is usually of a shorter duration.

Unfortunately, both sides now talk past each other and have drifted away from the centrist, or moderate approach to the issues. So potholes, rats, and skin color now dominate the scene.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 17:08
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Are you aware that a number of the bases you mentioned in San Diego County are not in the city of San Diego?

Can look at that another way, San Fran used to have a large military complement, now they donít and people shit in the streets.
I am aware of the concept of Metropolitan Statistical Area. Regions that share an economy and within which people commute - for work, pleasure, shopping etc - between individual cities.

If I want to fly commercial to either Seattle and its nearby bases, or San Diego or its nearby bases, I'll fly to SEA or SAN.

Are you claiming that money poured into Miramar doesn't get spent in San Diego and contribute to its well-being? Or that money poured into Bremerton (or even NAS Whidbey) doesn't boost the economy of Seattle as well?

Go on down and ask your mayor how he'd like it if Northrop-Grumman or the Marines at Miramar pulled up stakes and left.

Anyway, I'm not sure what the beef is - it is not as though having military bases in the area is somehow a bad thing.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 17:08
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Trump's 2020 Campaign Goal

It is a two step process for Trump:

Step 1: Throw out the idea that the basic division in the United States is between whites and people of color.

Step 2: Promote the idea that the two major political Parties are racially affiliated, Republican - Whites, Democrats - People of Color.

This isn't a new process, it was used in the GOP Southern Strategy in the late 1960s early 1970s. Ultimately, Trump is trying get the TV, internet and newspaper medias and more importantly, the Democrats to confirm we are a racist country. Using race as a political wedge briefly worked for the GOP and Richard Nixon, but not for long. It was a mistake, as using it as a wedge penalized people of color more than whites due to the unequal positions of the different races. Those unequal positions still exist today in most settings in the United States.

What's unique is the Baltimore 7th District Trump criticized is 53% African-American, has a $60,000 yearly median household income and a higher percentage of college graduates than the United States as a whole. Did Trump do his homework before tweeting and tweeting and retweeting? I don't think so, but his faithful think he did and they just love his exaggerations and lies, at least that is the way it appears on this thread...
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 17:15
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obgraham,
We have one party that sees political power as an end unto itself, and will do anything and say anything to remain in power because that is all they know.
You should have added that they also gerrymandered as many Congressional districts as they could to assure success, They are known as Republicans, I know because I now live in one of those districts.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 21:52
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obgraham,
We have another party which wants less government and more individual responsibility, since they usually enter politics temporarily, from some other career or business.
Now ob, don't be so bashful, tell everyone the Party you are talking about is the Conservative Republican Party. But, when some of their members get more individual responsibilities, this is what they do:
Current Congressmen indicted for Federal crimes: 2 - Neither are lawyers, both are Republicans

Republican Congressman from upstate New York - 27th District west of Rochester
Insider Trading, Fraud & Lying to Federal agents (his son was also indicted)
He quickly sold stock in a drug company when he received a private email from the CEO that the companyís new drug had failed testing before it was publicly announced by the company. He did so to avoid a $570,000 loss.
and
Republican Congressman from San Diego California
Illegal use of campaign funds
He and his wife were indicted for using $250,000 of political campaign money for personal use. His wife has already plead guilty and awaits sentencing. He used part of the money to pay expenses for four extramarital affairs he was having at the time.

He received a Cease and Desist letter from the US Marine Corp to stop using in his political campaign literature, mailings and handouts for reelection, the official USMC Eagle, Globe & Anchor Emblem and the phrase "No Better Friend, No Worse Enemy." The Eagle, Globe & Anchor Emblem in addition to being a registered U.S.Trademark, are protected by Federal statute and regulation, and cannot be used by third parties without permission. The phrase is a registered U.S.Marine Corps trademark, and your use of the emblem and phrase in your political handouts may convey the impression that the U.S. Marine Corps favors your candidacy over another, or "endorses" your views on a particular issue, and is a use of which we cannot grant permission.

As a former Marine, one would have thought he would have known this, attention to details must not be his forte.

And yes, there are Democrats that break the law as well, although there aren't any under Federal indictments at this time. I just wanted readers to see both sides of the coin relative to "more individual responsibilities" that you eloquently pointed out.
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 22:03
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Turbine D,

So you found all of TWO Republican congressmen out of 535 as an indictment of conservatives ? Perhaps I've misunderstood the case you're making.

I'd suggest looking at the State of Illinois for more fertile hunting grounds if criminal behavior by party is your goal.

But there's more:

https://www.ranker.com/list/corrupt-democrats/lstone

https://spectator.org/republicans-go-to-jail-democrats-run-free/

Never give up:



https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2-c...le-behind-bars
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Old 29th Jul 2019, 22:36
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Indeed, Turbine, you missed the word USUALLY in my post above.

And as Baffy points out, no need to indict folks already in the pokey.

None of which negates my point about the general outlook of the two parties. Perhaps the multiparty systems have an advantage in this regard, as coalitions are often required. But that often leads to governments that the larger majority are unhappy with.
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Old 30th Jul 2019, 03:30
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
I am aware of the concept of Metropolitan Statistical Area. Regions that share an economy and within which people commute - for work, pleasure, shopping etc - between individual cities.

If I want to fly commercial to either Seattle and its nearby bases, or San Diego or its nearby bases, I'll fly to SEA or SAN.

Are you claiming that money poured into Miramar doesn't get spent in San Diego and contribute to its well-being? Or that money poured into Bremerton (or even NAS Whidbey) doesn't boost the economy of Seattle as well?

Go on down and ask your mayor how he'd like it if Northrop-Grumman or the Marines at Miramar pulled up stakes and left.

Anyway, I'm not sure what the beef is - it is not as though having military bases in the area is somehow a bad thing.
Paranoid often? I simply pointed out, factually that not all the installations are in San Diego. I'm not shy to post my real thoughts, so if there was something more to my post, you'd know.

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