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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 06:24
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There you go again, Chuks, with your selective view of history. Must be that German influence on you.

Nowhere did I mention presidency and the Civil Rights Acts. However, I rightly pointed out that the opposition, both in the House and the Senate, was largely from Democrats. And though you might wish to see Johnson as a great lover of all races, he clearly was a racist, as noted in his many quotes, which I need not repeat here. His view was that passage of civil rights legislation, which was inevitable, should take place on his watch, so that blacks (and he did not use that word, but rather the odious one) would be forever beholden to the Democrats when they walked into the voting booth.

So no, there was no sudden change of heart. They remained racists. Politically expedient racists. Who heaped more and more power onto the likes of Robert Byrd.

And also, as usual, Chuks, you should not venture where you do not know the outcome. I learned my US history through the US educational system, including full years of it in middle school, high school, and at a well known leftist University at the height of its leftedness. I don't know about yours, but I expect my background is at least as much as yours. As for the Naturalization Interview, no she did not give me that question. I was too busy trying to remember the 13th colony whose name escaped me that day. But I did get all the other questions correct!
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 14:27
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Chuks defending a racist...what’s next? Hitler was just misunderstood?

There you go again, Chuks, with your selective view of history. Must be that German influence on you.
Well there’s a zinger!

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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 16:50
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There's History and ob's History

Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Which party was it, Chuks, that opposed Emancipation, owned slaves, ran the KKK as its own little enforcement arm, elected KKK leaders to the US Senate, opposed integration in the South, and led the opposition to the civil rights acts?

Did they have a sudden change of heart? When was that?

Your understanding of history is something to behold. Now, about Germany.......
ob, somehow, during your education process you missed key facts as to how when the transformation of the Southern Democrats began.You seem to think the Democrats of today are the Democrats of the era starting in 1948 under Harry Truman. When he signed an executive order desegregating the military, a number of Southern conservatives known as "Dixiecrats" broke away from the Democratic Party when a civil rights plank was installed in the Party's platform. That was the start of the conservative Democrats becoming Republicans in the South. There were demographic changes occurring as well. When Eisenhower became President, he appointed a number of Republican supporters as Federal judges from the South. Only five of the twenty-four he appointed supported segregation. As such, the judges ordered the southern public segregated schools desegregated. Many of the Democrats that stayed with the party supported segregation as a matter of states rights, Alabama Governor George Wallace being one.

John Kennedy had proposed a Federal civil rights bill but was assassinated before it got much attention. When Lyndon Johnson became President, he pushed the legislation through Congress working with the politicians he had worked with for years. You can study up on what you missed or glossed over by studying these Library of Congress documents:

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/civil-r...t-of-1964.html

When Nixon came along, the Conservative Republican Party made a major effort to recruit former Democratic Party segregationist and succeeded in their efforts and that included converting Democratic Southern voters to Republican voters. Nixon is often credited with this effort tagged as the "Southern Strategy", but it was the Republican Party. So when you point your finger at Chucks' and state his understanding of history is something to behold, your understanding of United States history is a magnitude worse.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 17:50
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Turbine:
Far be it from me to prevent you from interpreting history whatever way you wish. But facts simply don't lie. The reality is that Republicans supported civil rights legislation in a significantly higher percentage than Democrats. To wit:

Civil Rights Act of 1964:
House -- Dems 152 to 96. Repubs 138-34
Senate -- Dems 46-21. Repubs 27-6

Voter Rights Act 1965:
House -- Dems 221-61. Repubs 112-24
Senate -- Dems 47-16. Repubs 30-2

You can spin it any way you wish, or you can claim "that was then, this is now" if you find the facts don't meet your agenda. But the facts stand.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 21:37
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Turbine:
Far be it from me to prevent you from interpreting history whatever way you wish. But facts simply don't lie. The reality is that Republicans supported civil rights legislation in a significantly higher percentage than Democrats. To wit:

Civil Rights Act of 1964:
House -- Dems 152 to 96. Repubs 138-34
Senate -- Dems 46-21. Repubs 27-6

Voter Rights Act 1965:
House -- Dems 221-61. Repubs 112-24
Senate -- Dems 47-16. Repubs 30-2

You can spin it any way you wish, or you can claim "that was then, this is now" if you find the facts don't meet your agenda. But the facts stand.
I'm not spinning it, you are. Is the Library of Congress with the documents of that time spinning? You don't seemingly understand the Democratic Party was in transition, moving from the Party of segregation in the South to the Party you see today. I suppose you have visited Birmingham Alabama in the past 30 years and know the history of the South at that time. My wife's sister and her family lived there for years and we visited often. I spent a great deal of time over those years there, understanding what transpired during that time period. There is much information to hear and see there in museums and memorials, it isn't spin as you want people to believe.

However, since you are the expert at United States history in the '50s, '60s and '70s, how many Dems, both House and Senate, that voted against the Civil Rights Act became Republicans or were defeated in their bid for reelection? How many Dems, both House and Senate that voted against the Voter Rights Act became Republicans or were defeated in their bid for reelection? It's the point you are missing...

Oh, sorry, we aren't supposed to ask any questions on JB as announced recently by ob....
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 01:35
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Yank Independence Day

To think American friends, it was almost 250 years ago that you all decided to break free of Spanish rule and become an independent nation. Frankly I did not see the arrangement working out in the long run, with the French up in parts of Canada and all, so everything for the best.

I must say that we were flattered when you decided upon English, more or less, to be the lingua franca in the States. We know that you did have some options.

Should you all need any advice, be sure to ring us up and in the meantime enjoy the BBQ!
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 01:54
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
To think American friends, it was almost 250 years ago that you all decided to break free of Spanish rule and become an independent nation. Frankly I did not see the arrangement working out in the long run, with the French up in parts of Canada and all, so everything for the best.

I must say that we were flattered when you decided upon English, more or less, to be the lingua franca in the States. We know that you did have some options.

Should you all need any advice, be sure to ring us up and in the meantime enjoy the BBQ!
Is it straight whiskey tonight or mixed?
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 02:49
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post


Is it straight whiskey tonight or mixed?


Neither on this pattern as it is already knocking the stuffing out of me, but rest assured all is meant in good-natured fun so nothing snarky intended. Beside, where else in the world can you find as good as BBQ and blues music?

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Old 4th Jul 2019, 14:39
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From this Son of the American Revolution to all those unfortunate enough not to be:
Happy Independence Day.
Speaking of oppressors and taxation without representation, here's a link to today at the EU parliament. You will notice that the EU reaction, rather like that of Josef Goebbels, was to hurl abuse at its opponents. Makes you think doesn't it? Well, perhaps it should, even if the mad Ann Widdecombe is only a fraction right, it's a foretaste of things to come as the. poor old Swiss will now tell you.
Bondage is bondage even if it's a Brussels sprout.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...an-parliament/
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 17:26
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Hurl abuse? I thought that was the pregorative of a certain DJ Trump?
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 18:23
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Any comparison between the EU and Donald Trump is interesting to contemplate. I suppose the most significant fundamental difference would lie in the fact that El Trumpo can be voted out of office since he is actually, surprise to everyone, an elected official.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 19:30
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
Hurl abuse? I thought that was the pregorative of a certain DJ Trump?
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That simple minded that everything circles back to Trump? You must be quite the conversationalist.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 20:25
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post


That simple minded that everything circles back to Trump? You must be quite the conversationalist.
This is the US Politics Hamsterwheel, DJ Trump is the president of the USA.
I talk in even shorter sentences.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 20:45
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
This is the US Politics Hamsterwheel, DJ Trump is the president of the USA.
I talk in even shorter sentences.
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There’s more to politics (for most that is) than simply Trump.


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Old 4th Jul 2019, 20:58
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post


There’s more to politics (for most that is) than simply Trump.


True that, but Trump is more fun.
Enjoy your Independence Day. I know I did when I visited North Stonington on July 4 some years back.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 20:59
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
True that, but Trump is more fun.
Enjoy your Independence Day. I know I did when I visited North Stonington on July 4 some years back.
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You as well.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 23:53
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
Hurl abuse? I thought that was the pregorative of a certain DJ Trump?
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No,

He just responds twice as hard in kind to all the haters who hurl abuse at him and his supporters. Then the lying left, who claim to be the high road(when they are actually just as low) whine and complain about being treated the same way as they treat him(and anyone opposed to their ideas).

Thjat is why we love Trump. He fights back for us(we also love most of his policies which have been great).

Once again, the lefties took the low road leading up to his great speech. All the fake news about how terribly partisan it would be, same from the leftie politicians lying to the public as usual.

Then he makes a great speech for all Americans. But the lying left still froth. Talk of Putin's parades, whining about the cost from the same people who have raised their hands to spend hundreds of millions of taxpayers dollars on medical care for illegal immigrants.

For all you kids out their reading about all this, you have now reached the age to start thoughtful analysis. Don't become irrational.

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Old 6th Jul 2019, 04:22
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
To think American friends, it was almost 250 years ago that you all decided to break free of Spanish rule
English, not Spanish.
It was the Mexicans who tossed the Spaniards out (circa 1821 ish) as did a number of the Bolivarian revolutions in South America.
I cooked meat over fire on the 4th, so we had a happy 4th, yes we did.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 05:33
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For all you kids out their reading about all this, you have now reached the age to start thoughtful analysis.
And remember kids, lying to all and sundry, repeatedly, many times a day, in speech, in writing, in public and to the public will make you a pariah, shunned, hated, unemployable and in the end -
a miserable failure in whatever endeavor you choose.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 06:20
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
English, not Spanish.
It was the Mexicans who tossed the Spaniards out (circa 1821 ish) as did a number of the Bolivarian revolutions in South America.
I cooked meat over fire on the 4th, so we had a happy 4th, yes we did.
Lonewolf,

How come you all speak English then? I thought you won...
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