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Old 30th Jun 2019, 15:27
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
I should remind you also, TD, that at this point in 2016 the Dems, snd most of you lot here, were mercilessly moci g the Republican mob of 17. (You have never stopped, but I digress.)

So it is our turn to mock this crowd of clowns before us now.
Somehow I missed your response to the question I asked you...
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 16:16
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ob says:

I should remind you that in 2016, the Republicans started with 17 candidates running for POTUS. What resulted was the looniest of them all won and I don't think that was the Republican Party's intent. Can you remember who was the least loony?
I agree with TD, awfully early in the race. What I will note is the vast number that are pandering to the far left. Typically in the primaries the Dems run to the left and in the general, they gravitate towards the middle to attract independants and rebellious Republicans. It’s however going to be awfully hard for the eventual nominee to distance themselves from their primary sound bytes of all the free crap they are promising.

interesting times.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 17:17
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
Somehow I missed your response to the question I asked you...
This is JB, Turbine.

It is forbidden to answer any question asked here.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 20:20
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post


I agree with TD, awfully early in the race. What I will note is the vast number that are pandering to the far left. Typically in the primaries the Dems run to the left and in the general, they gravitate towards the middle to attract independants and rebellious Republicans. It’s however going to be awfully hard for the eventual nominee to distance themselves from their primary sound bytes of all the free crap they are promising.

interesting times.

Just for the official JB US Hamsterwheel record, on this ocassion I agree with West Coast. Not saying some of the positions the candidates articulated are not laudatory, but paying for it all is the reality.

Yes, I know Trump has been spending like a drunken man, but to run on that platform seems risky.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 23:30
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post

This is JB, Turbine.

It is forbidden to answer any question asked here.
Is that your personal rule, not surprising, as silly as it seems? You don't set the rules in this forum as much as you thought you did before the liberal challenges came along. You are no longer the singular domineering force you thought you once were... What a stupid remark!
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 07:13
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I wouldn't worry too much about consistency, accountability, and all that sort of thing in the Age of Trump. We have reached the stage where even text has become labile. It used to be so that when someone wrote something that was factually wrong then they had to live with that error. Nowadays such things have become like a loud fart in church, the sort of thing that undeniably happens without somehow ... happening.

Here the Trump Faction can just rework reality as they please. When they ask some merely semi-stupid question and get a detailed answer in reply then that answer betrays some weakness, an unhealthy obsession with Trump that leads to knowing that the man has uttered almost 11,000 lies, as if knowing that obvious, inescapable fact would be impossible for a normal person. No, only the sort of unhealthy mind that ferrets out facts such as the sort of underwear that Hitler wore* could have dug that one up. Other, really stupid, questions of theirs sometimes go politely ignored. "Why is Trump so wonderful as a president?" for instance gets treated like a lump of limburger cheese, just a matter of (bad) taste. Then it is held to be so that pantywaist libtards are unable to venture an answer to anything at all. So it's one or the other: answers are too long, pointless, and tedious, or else they can not be given.

It's an interesting thing that here we have two guys at the opposite ends of the spectrum: There is the Junior Genius from Glowing Slag-heap, who is, remarkably, more than semi-literate. He's paired, though, with the Surfer Who Can't Write Straight, the man voted Least Likely to Score 800 on his SAT Verbal. Together, they rule, one coming in as the Voice of Reason, albeit speaking up for stuff that is completely unreasonable, the other letting out inarticulate howls studded with howlers, but both complaining either about too much detail or else none at all.

Watching this is like shaking up one of those little globes filled with fake snow, except that here it's pro-Trump BS that filters down. Either the man is a hidden genius behind his obviously fake claims of being a genius, or else he's a real drooler, sometimes the one, sometimes the other, but always in some unknowable way good for the United States of America for the way he has put boring reason and accountability to flight.

God, but I wish that someone in authority in South Korea had had the sense to just stand there on the line of demarcation at Panmunjon and say to Trump "Passport, please," followed by Trump telling him to look at his face, Donald John Trump, imprinted right there on a wooden nickel he pulled from his pocket. "So sorry, but no passport, no entry to the Republic of Korea. Next, please .... "

* Guilty knowledge: Adolf Hitler wore white boxer shorts with a 39-inch waist size and "A.H." embroidered on them: https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/someone-ju...erwear-1640611

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Old 1st Jul 2019, 15:00
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It really must gall you two, TD and Chucks, that in Trump, we are seeing the most successful president since FDR. You are reduced to silly grade school insults.

Meanwhile, considering the evolving opposition, the odds of a change in 2020 are boiling away faster than the ether in your drug labs!
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 16:44
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Where has your faith in AmeriKKKa gone, OB?

The same system that gave us Trump should be able to deliver an Anti-Trump, shouldn't it? There's nothing objective about that man that a reasonably bright child could not match or exceed: disposition, both childish; impulse control, ditto; ability to speak, read, and write: any reasonably bright child should be superior to Trump; morals: again the child should come out ahead, unless he's from Father Flaherty's Home for Extremely Wayward Boys; and so on.

The only thing is that we need to find someone at least 35 years of age who is native-born; that means we need an adult. In Trump we have a man-child so why not a child-child?

(Is it not interesting that Trump, this shambling blob of animated suet, really does seem to see himself lasting for ten years or more in office? One wonders if he's taking tips from Elizabeth Báthory on this, or perhaps Steven Miller has inducted him into the Tribe of the Undead.)

I think it's true, unfortunately, that there is still that 40% of us who are stuck to Trump like so many limpets to a big, slimy rock; there shall be no shifting them with anything short of C4, and the Posse Comitatus Act bars using that. On the other hand, if the Democrats can avoid that temptation to split into at least two factions, and manage to craft a platform that attracts a reasonable number of relatively sane voters, then his base should not be enough for Trump to win with.

Another thing is that Trump has a plethora of legal woes. He has Maryland and D.C. after him because of that hotel; Summer Zervos and Gloria Allred are still trying to nail his tiny scrotum to a big plank; various people are trying to get a look at those tax returns which promise to be damning for Trump; Mueller might just say something interesting in his soon-to-come testimony, while we might well get a look at all of his report; the Deutsche Bank should be revealing some of his dealings with rich Russian crooks; McGahn should be telling us about Trump's attempts at obstructing justice; there are so many legal fights going on that it seems impossible for Trump to win them all, when even one loss might do him some real damage.

On the other hand, stuff that would have seen a normal politician ridden out of Washington on a rail, completely covered in tar and feathers, has done no damage at all to Trump. His base love him for it in fact, for his showing them just what a true low-life he is; he truly is one of his people. If some disgusting lump of trailer park trash won a billion dollars in the lottery you can be sure that he would misbehave exactly the way Trump has done, so it's no wonder that they love him.

All I want for now is to know Trump's SAT scores; they should show whether or not he was even a Genius Third Class back when he was young and green.
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 17:41
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So what you are saying, Chuks, is that I'm right. It really does gall you!

And you can choose which of the many Merriam-Webster definitions of the word fits -- there are several! I like the simplest: "something bitter to endure".
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 19:03
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Galled, moi? I am just waiting this one out, OB, something I can afford to do from Germany.

You and Surfer Boi are just a pair of low-hanging fruits for now, objects of simple fun. If Trump does manage to win next time around then you two will be able to inflate most bigly, but for now the jury is out; the the Fat Lady has not sung; and that puts us pretty much even for now.

Tomorrow I take a break from all this to go on tour for about a week with my two Burmese. On Saturday we got off to a funny start with a call from Bremen at 1840, one of the Germans asking me where I had hidden those guys, since nobody answered the room phones at their hotel for a pre-arranged dinner date. (Myanmar is 6:30 ahead of Germany, so that I assume those guys were dead to the world, sleeping off their long flights at 0110 hours their time.) I assured him that they had been checked in, but more than that I had no idea of. Well, no idea I was willing to share with a German!

Today I got a call at about 1800 to tell me that my German thinks we can launch tomorrow at 1000. He sounded a bit frazzled, so that it would seem there already has been a culture clash between German punctuality and that laid-back lifestyle one often finds in the East. This might be a very interesting trip.
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 19:42
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Where has your faith in AmeriKKKa gone, OB?

That Democratic Party invention, the KKK.

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Old 1st Jul 2019, 20:31
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West Coast! You cracked a history book! Well done! (I am doomed if you ever discover SpellCheck, and learn how to use those mysterious little punctuation marks.)

Now jump ahead about 130 years, to today and this fellow you like so much, Trump. Then you might find out that he gives aid and comfort to today's white supremacists, such as those who marched behind Nazi flags in Charlottesville. Trump was happy to tell us that some of them were "very fine people," even though some of them definitely were Kluckers.

If you prefer to think that Democratic support for the Klan of long ago outweighs Trump's support for today's Klan that is your prerogative. I think you are being a bit silly to think that, but then I would think that, wouldn't I? (Too, there were only six words of yours, but you still managed to squeeze one grammatical error into that rather short sentence. You would frighten me if I were to see you acquiring the full powers of written speech.)
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 21:15
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West Coast! You cracked a history book! Well done! (I am doomed if you ever discover SpellCheck, and learn how to use those mysterious little punctuation marks.)

Now jump ahead about 130 years, to today and this fellow you like so much, Trump. Then you might find out that he gives aid and comfort to today's white supremacists, such as those who marched behind Nazi flags in Charlottesville. Trump was happy to tell us that some of them were "very fine people," even though some of them definitely were Kluckers.

If you prefer to think that Democratic support for the Klan of long ago outweighs Trump's support for today's Klan that is your prerogative. I think you are being a bit silly to think that, but then I would think that, wouldn't I? (Too, there were only six words of yours, but you still managed to squeeze one grammatical error into that rather short sentence. You would frighten me if I were to see you acquiring the full powers of written speech.)
Long ago? Biden is being taken to task for bragging about how he worked with other Democratic Senators who were openly racist. Do u need a refresh on that??


bet the u instead of you has you apoplectic. Maybe the lack of capitalization and double question marks....

Your biggest mistake was letting me know it bothered you. I’ll make sure it remains an open sore.
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 21:43
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Come on now, West Coast! This reminds me of an old cartoon, one caveman complaining to another about a third one, "Look at that posh bastard, walking around breathing through his nostrils." Who is stressed here, you or me?

When you try to do this, what is really funny is that you usually cram in at least one genuine blunder. You can't even get fake ignorance right, not that you should stop trying.

So now u r doing txtspk, and this is going to annoy me? How? Next I suppose you will walk around with your cap on backwards. Gnarly, Dude!

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Old 1st Jul 2019, 22:10
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Come on now, West Coast! This reminds me of an old cartoon, one caveman complaining to another about a third one, "Look at that posh bastard, walking around breathing through his nostrils." Who is stressed here, you or me?

When you try to do this, what is really funny is that you usually cram in at least one genuine blunder. You can't even get fake ignorance right, not that you should stop trying.

So now u r doing txtspk, and this is going to annoy me? How? Next I suppose you will walk around with your cap on backwards. Gnarly, Dude!

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How quickly you pull chocks and depart the topic when you know you’ve been owned. The front runner of the party of the country you used to be a citizen of is battling racism charges. If you think the Dems have moved beyond that, then your revisionist history book is in need of more editing. I thought he was just a simple perv, so much more to him.
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 23:41
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Which party was it, Chuks, that opposed Emancipation, owned slaves, ran the KKK as its own little enforcement arm, elected KKK leaders to the US Senate, opposed integration in the South, and led the opposition to the civil rights acts?

Did they have a sudden change of heart? When was that?

Your understanding of history is something to behold. Now, about Germany.......
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 00:47
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Which party was it, Chuks, that opposed Emancipation, owned slaves, ran the KKK as its own little enforcement arm, elected KKK leaders to the US Senate, opposed integration in the South, and led the opposition to the civil rights acts?

Did they have a sudden change of heart? When was that?

Your understanding of history is something to behold. Now, about Germany.......
It's always amusing that conservatives want to live in the past, but are so ignorant of it - especialy the more recent parts.

Once Democrat Lyndon Johnson pushed through the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts in 1964-65, southern white Democrats and the KKK abandoned the Democratic Party in droves.

As acknowledged by Richard Nixon's political strategist Kevin Phillips in 1970:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are.
The idea that the party of the Klan is the Democrats is 50 years out of date (as are so many of ob's ideas).

For a more up-to-date view on which party attracts the Klan consider this. Along with many other Kluxers, David Duke, founder of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan (KKKK) and the NAAWP (National Association for the Advancement of White People), changed his party affiliation from Democrat to Republican in 1988 - 30 years ago. And proceeded to run for office under the Republican banner for: a Louisiana state House seat (1989 - he won); US Senator from Louisiana (1990 - he lost); Governor of Louisiana (1991 - he lost); the 1992 Republican Presidential primaries; and several other races for national office as a Republican.

Including 2016, (you know, just 3 years ago - in this century) in which he again ran to be the Republican nominee for US Senate from Louisiana (he lost).

Now add to that the fact that black American voters have voted for the Democrat in Presidential elections since 1964 at a constant 80% or more.

If one wants to claim the Democrats are still the party of the Klan, one must assume that black voters are either 1) stupid and suicidal, or 2) have those ol' white hoods and robes hanging in their own closets. We'll see which argument ob picks.
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Well, PIF, though the Democrat Party subscribes to your choice 1) above, I'll go with 2) for $200, Alex.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 02:49
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It's always amusing that conservatives want to live in the past, but are so ignorant of it - especialy the more recent parts.

Once Democrat Lyndon Johnson pushed through the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts in 1964-65, southern white Democrats and the KKK abandoned the Democratic Party in droves.

As acknowledged by Richard Nixon's political strategist Kevin Phillips in 1970:



The idea that the party of the Klan is the Democrats is 50 years out of date (as are so many of ob's ideas).

For a more up-to-date view on which party attracts the Klan consider this. Along with many other Kluxers, David Duke, founder of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan (KKKK) and the NAAWP (National Association for the Advancement of White People), changed his party affiliation from Democrat to Republican in 1988 - 30 years ago. And proceeded to run for office under the Republican banner for: a Louisiana state House seat (1989 - he won); US Senator from Louisiana (1990 - he lost); Governor of Louisiana (1991 - he lost); the 1992 Republican Presidential primaries; and several other races for national office as a Republican.

Including 2016, (you know, just 3 years ago - in this century) in which he again ran to be the Republican nominee for US Senate from Louisiana (he lost).

Now add to that the fact that black American voters have voted for the Democrat in Presidential elections since 1964 at a constant 80% or more.

If one wants to claim the Democrats are still the party of the Klan, one must assume that black voters are either 1) stupid and suicidal, or 2) have those ol' white hoods and robes hanging in their own closets. We'll see which argument ob picks.
BBQ’ing and swimming in the pool...it is San Diego after all, so I’ll simply remind you that 50 years ago Robert Byrd was just the junior Senator from WV. Some of his words, the words of a Democratic Senator that served into the fairly recent past.

“I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds”
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"Too stupid to argue against" counts as a win?

West Coast, your Robert Byrd quote refers to his not fighting in World War II; it is from 1944, 75 years ago. You seem to think it betrays the mindset of Bryd from 50 years ago. You are either trying to pull a very simple-minded fast one, or else you are 25 years off in that particular assessment of Byrd. Sure, he was a stone cold racist in 1944, but he did grow and change. You might want to try some of that for yourself, starting by dropping this way you like to play with facts in the style of your tin god, Trump.

That quote is from a letter Byrd wrote to Mississippi Democratic Senator Theodore G. Bilbo, an unreformed, extreme racist Klucker to the end of his days. At the time of writing Byrd was in his late twenties, and Bilbo was in his late sixties; that might help put the letter into context as one written by a young racist with political ambitions who was seeking the support of an old racist who was very well established in American politics.

OB, when you were naturalized didn't you have to show some basic knowledge of US history? I guess you weren't asked about President Johnson pushing through strong civil rights legislation, because there is the answer to your ignorant question: "Did [the Democrats] have a sudden change of heart? When was that?" Yes they did have a sudden change of heart. That was when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act on 2 July 1964, 55 years ago to this day. Southern politics suddenly turned upside-down then, with Republicans happily picking up the racist politics abandoned by the Democratic Party.

Trump is just a shallow opportunist, and much of his base is basically, undeniably racist. (You could say that while Trump claims not to be a racist, the racists think he's a racist.) That means that he has to go with such disgusting stuff as calling some of the people who marched behind the Nazi flag "some very fine people," and calling at least one American citizen a "Mexican," probably because his parents, also American citizens, originally came from Mexico.

Trump's BS is often racist BS, yet here we have two ignoramuses who do not seem to have noticed that obvious fact, along with a whole lot of other obvious facts. West Coast is 25 years off when it comes to Robert Byrd's changing mindset, and OB seems not to have learned about what happened with the Democratic Party 55 years ago, when they dropped using racism to keep Southern support. It is no wonder that they are adrift when it comes to understanding how the Democrats, and Donald Trump, view racism; the Democrats are generally against racism; Donald Trump is happy to practice and support it.

Now you two have been told some very basic facts, not opinions: facts. Will you choose to respect those facts when you post your pro-Trump drivel, though? Does a chicken have lips?

I "used to be a citizen of" the USA? That came from a fellow veteran? "Gruße von Götz," to the Surfer Who Can't Write Straight! May you celebrate your next Veterans Day by buying a new washing machine, one made in Germany.

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