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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 17:18
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Over to you then, WC. Do you think that Trump scored above 1300 on his SATs from the mid-Sixties? Can he call himself a genius with that much justification? Just a yes-or-no answer is all I want, not a name-check of Nkechi Amare Diallo.

Actually, since you bring it up, a lot of these tests are only dependable at all as one-shot deals. When you know what that stop watch is for in the WAIS, for example, I guess you would just keep talking to run up the score, although there must be a cut-off point in there somewhere.

WC, what bothers me there is that OB evaded giving a straight yes-or-no answer to a rather obvious question about Trump's probable SATs. Here, I will sketch it out for you so that even you can follow my logic:

1. Trump is notorious for claiming that he is very, very intelligent. Why, he used to discuss "the nuclear" with his uncle the MIT professor!

2. Given the generation he belonged to, mine basically, Trump probably did take the SATs, just as I did, and just as OB did.

3. All Trump would have to do is to allow ETS to release his SAT score, because a score over 1300 for SATs such as he, I, and OB too, took is accepted by Mensa as proof of being a genius, meaning that is a score only achieved by the top 2 percent of the general population (who speak English).

4. Trump has gone to some trouble to hide his SAT score, which suggests that he did not score in that "genius" range. Probably he is lying once again about being able to score that high, as a real genius could.

OB, like you, WC, is a notorious booster of Trump, when I guessed (correctly) that he had taken the SATs. This is something he confirmed, along with stating that he scored in that high range. So I asked him to answer yes or no to the question of whether he thought Trump has what it takes to achieve the high score he needs to justify his claim of being a genius. He is the perfect man to ask this question of, knowing the SATs, and being pro-Trump to some extent.

Bear in mind that all Trump would have to do is to have one of his people call ETS and okay the release of his results. Trump wouldn't even need to pay ETS, as I did, to get his results; about 100 other people would be happy to pay that fee themselves, just to get a look at his SAT score and then laugh at him on TV.

We could start a pool on Trump's SATs. My guess: 460 Verbal, 510 Math, about 330 short of what he needs to be a genius, and that from 50 years ago, before the spirochetes had done the damage.

I have absolutely no idea what was going through OB's mind when he challenged me to tell my SAT score. I am not the one on the national stage boasting that I am a genius, while calling many other people stupid just because .... The question Trump himself raises with his repeated boasts is whether he really is a genius. It is obvious what I think about that, that he is actually quite stupid, nowhere close to being highly intelligent, so that there is not much point to whatever I have to say about his SATs. OB, though ... there we have someone who has taken the SATs, scoring well enough on them to pass that two-percent threshold, and who admires Trump to a certain degree. He would be the logical person to ask about Trump and his SAT score, so I did that, and got nowhere.

Instead of just answering the question about Trump with a yes or a no, something he obviously is unable to do, OB turned this into some weird comparo of our own two SAT scores, a contest he did win, except that there was no obvious point to this in the first place; what matters here is Trump's score, not ours!

What OB achieved is something rare; he managed to make two people look really, really stupid by proving that they literally are geniuses. That drives home the point about the gap between IQ and social intelligence, as if most people did not understand it to begin with. (The military has a sub-group called "ring-knockers," graduates of a top military academy who just have to draw attention to that fact, often by using their class ring. They are not all that popular, actually .... )

If I were the sort of person who really is bothered by "losing" then I would simply have invented a higher score than OB's. That is what Trump does in such a situation, isn't it? Instead I gave an honest answer and lost. So? That sort of losing is no real bother at all; it is not like losing the front end of your motorcycle on a patch of wet tar. That kind of losing hurts!

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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 19:05
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Chuks, no matter how hard you keep beating that dead horse, it isn't going to get up and win the upcoming Belmont.

Do you have something new to contribute about the American political scene?
Do you think Biden's current tactics are winners?
Do you think Bernie is done?
Do the Dems really want a young pi$$-and-vinegar type?
What do you think should be done at the border?
Will China and/or Mexico come back with concessions?

There's plenty going on here these days, beyond your tiresome obsession with SAT scores.

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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 19:44
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"If you can't dazzle them with Brilliance..."said the wag W.C. Fields, "Baffle them with bullsh!t".

Who knew he was simply predicting the behavior of future retired pilots.
Or, you might have said, Donald J Trump, POTUS, as he hasn't shown any brilliance but lots of bullshit. And this applies to whatever his SAT score may have been, if he actually took the test, Fred took care getting him in the higher education schools. Money talks, perhaps louder than test scores to gain admission to prestigious universities as was demonstrated by some parents this year, really nothing new...

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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 19:53
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Way early to be summing up Dem candidates. The elimination cat fights have not even begun yet.

Border: Does trump want Mex to stop purely Mex illegal immigration as well or just Central American traffic to remove the new tariffs to be paid by Americans?
Dems making the usual pie in the sky statements about fixing the core problems. Reps mostly silent except for wall and tariffs..
Here's the fix: Empty Cent Am - they all want to leave their utter failures of countries anyway. Shoot all the gangs or just the ones with tattoo faces/heads.
Fix the rest up in the western desert areas (families together) and get them working on de-desertification with birth control measures..
Send in the fruit and mining companies to Cent Am. (they have some experience in this) and will keep the commies out.

The noises coming out of Virginia Beach and other assorted politicians (Reps&Dems) about the fixes (equally pie, way up there) to US mass shootings would be laughable if not so, so sad. Have trouble believing they are really adults.
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Old 2nd Jun 2019, 20:59
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OB, I don't keep that form with my SAT score ready to hand, and I never, ever bothered anyone else with a demand to match scores apropos of nothing much; that is you being totally bush-league. So tell us again who is obsessed by their SATs, but try to get it right this time. (Please do not tell us that you recently wrote to ETS and paid for a new form; that would not just be obsession, but unhealthy obsession.)

Anyway, it's not the SAT score as such, it is why Trump is keeping his hidden if he's the genius he claims to be. There is all the proof he needs to silence everyone who thinks, as Rex Tillerson seems to, that he is a "f*cking moron. It is on file with ETS so let's see it. It is truly remarkable that you demanded to know my score, while flaunting your own, but the score that really matters, Trump's ... you don't seem to care about that one at all!

That is something new, by the way, focusing on Trump's SATs; that is a simple way to check whether or not Trump really is what he claims to be: a genius. The results are already in but being kept hidden from view by Trump himself. Let us see him put under pressure for this small thing, perhaps to soften him up to release his tax returns. After all, he repeatedly said he would have no problem with doing that, even that he was eager to do so. Maybe we start small, with his SATs, taking a baby step before taking a running leap off a precipice.

Never mind Biden's tactics. Tell us more about why it is okay for you to call him a child molester. Do you do this sort of thing often, go off looking for "kiddy gropers"?

I doubt that we are ready for Bernie, but he's far from done.

I have no idea what the Dems want.

What to be done at the border? For starters, let's follow the law when it comes to allowing people to request asylum. Next, when those new sections of wall, fence, or whatever it is are finished, let's get a film crew out there to show Mexicans with ladders and ropes climbing up one side and abseiling down the other, laughing. After that, Mexicans with cutting torches shall creep out on a moonless night to cut it up and steal it .... (There is reportedly a booming black market for razor wire in Tijuana now, wire stolen from the border from under the noses of the US Army.

At the end of the day I think that Trump will declare victory in his trade war with both Mexico and China even though it will turn out to be a net loss for the USA and for everyone else too. "Both sides will suffer on this," said Larry Kudlow, Trump's Director of the National Economic Council. Expect a return to the previous status quo, looking at the big picture,. Take due care to remember how that recent shut-down ended.

OB, do you think that "trade wars are good and easy to win," as Trump does? Wall Street does seem to be taking fright over the way Trump is behaving with this.



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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 04:19
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Over to you then, WC. Do you think that Trump scored above 1300 on his SATs from the mid-Sixties? Can he call himself a genius with that much justification? Just a yes-or-no answer is all I want, not a name-check of Nkechi Amare Diallo.

Actually, since you bring it up, a lot of these tests are only dependable at all as one-shot deals. When you know what that stop watch is for in the WAIS, for example, I guess you would just keep talking to run up the score, although there must be a cut-off point in there somewhere.

WC, what bothers me there is that OB evaded giving a straight yes-or-no answer to a rather obvious question about Trump's probable SATs. Here, I will sketch it out for you so that even you can follow my logic:

1. Trump is notorious for claiming that he is very, very intelligent. Why, he used to discuss "the nuclear" with his uncle the MIT professor!

2. Given the generation he belonged to, mine basically, Trump probably did take the SATs, just as I did, and just as OB did.

3. All Trump would have to do is to allow ETS to release his SAT score, because a score over 1300 for SATs such as he, I, and OB too, took is accepted by Mensa as proof of being a genius, meaning that is a score only achieved by the top 2 percent of the general population (who speak English).

4. Trump has gone to some trouble to hide his SAT score, which suggests that he did not score in that "genius" range. Probably he is lying once again about being able to score that high, as a real genius could.

OB, like you, WC, is a notorious booster of Trump, when I guessed (correctly) that he had taken the SATs. This is something he confirmed, along with stating that he scored in that high range. So I asked him to answer yes or no to the question of whether he thought Trump has what it takes to achieve the high score he needs to justify his claim of being a genius. He is the perfect man to ask this question of, knowing the SATs, and being pro-Trump to some extent.

Bear in mind that all Trump would have to do is to have one of his people call ETS and okay the release of his results. Trump wouldn't even need to pay ETS, as I did, to get his results; about 100 other people would be happy to pay that fee themselves, just to get a look at his SAT score and then laugh at him on TV.

We could start a pool on Trump's SATs. My guess: 460 Verbal, 510 Math, about 330 short of what he needs to be a genius, and that from 50 years ago, before the spirochetes had done the damage.

I have absolutely no idea what was going through OB's mind when he challenged me to tell my SAT score. I am not the one on the national stage boasting that I am a genius, while calling many other people stupid just because .... The question Trump himself raises with his repeated boasts is whether he really is a genius. It is obvious what I think about that, that he is actually quite stupid, nowhere close to being highly intelligent, so that there is not much point to whatever I have to say about his SATs. OB, though ... there we have someone who has taken the SATs, scoring well enough on them to pass that two-percent threshold, and who admires Trump to a certain degree. He would be the logical person to ask about Trump and his SAT score, so I did that, and got nowhere.

Instead of just answering the question about Trump with a yes or a no, something he obviously is unable to do, OB turned this into some weird comparo of our own two SAT scores, a contest he did win, except that there was no obvious point to this in the first place; what matters here is Trump's score, not ours!

What OB achieved is something rare; he managed to make two people look really, really stupid by proving that they literally are geniuses. That drives home the point about the gap between IQ and social intelligence, as if most people did not understand it to begin with. (The military has a sub-group called "ring-knockers," graduates of a top military academy who just have to draw attention to that fact, often by using their class ring. They are not all that popular, actually .... )

If I were the sort of person who really is bothered by "losing" then I would simply have invented a higher score than OB's. That is what Trump does in such a situation, isn't it? Instead I gave an honest answer and lost. So? That sort of losing is no real bother at all; it is not like losing the front end of your motorcycle on a patch of wet tar. That kind of losing hurts!
Holy mackeral, what was the word count on that bloated post? Was meandering a thing back when you took the SAT, or did wealthy parents pay for a stand in to take the test for you?
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 07:13
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Let's try this again ....

Over to you then, WC. Do you think that Trump scored above 1300 on his SATs from the mid-Sixties? Can he call himself a genius with that much justification? Just a yes-or-no answer is all I want, not a name-check of Nkechi Amare Diallo.

There are 849 words, WC, including the title, in what you quoted. (Boy, but your lips must get tired reading that many words, huh? Well, get Serafina, your Mexican illegal migrant maid, to read my stuff to you.)

There is this, too: " [My] text has an average grade level of about 8. It should be easily understood by 13 to 14 year olds." Might be a bit tough for the average fan of Trump, so good luck with that, too. (Don't feel too badly about that; OB has trouble understanding simple stuff too, and he's a genius.) Stick to Trump tweets, why don't you?

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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 07:19
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Over to you then, WC. Do you think that Trump scored above 1300 on his SATs from the mid-Sixties? Can he call himself a genius with that much justification? Just a yes-or-no answer is all I want, not a name-check of Nkechi Amare Diallo.
Don't know, dont really care. Itís not important to me that you feel you need to measure your little fella against Trumps.
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Serafina: less than 400 words, 7th Grade reading level ....

Wrong again, WC. It's just that Trump justifies a lot of the decisions he makes with the fact that he is a genius, when those opposing him are often defamed as very stupid. I just want to check that the metric our President is using, his being a genius, is a valid one.

On the personal level I'm pretty happy to know that I can spell far better than Trump and stop right there. Here, look: tap, T A P, tap! That is me, 4th Grade Spelling Champion. Trump has that one as tap, T A P P, tap, which simply is wrong. If Sister Ignatius were still with us she would hunt him down and give him a crack over the knuckles with her brass-edged wooden ruler for being such a dunderhead as that.

That's one of the easy words. Watch this: accomplishments, A C H O M L I S H M E N T S, accomplishments; that is Trump again failing most spectacularly, despite having told us that he has the "best words."

I rest upon my 4th Grade laurels in this case, content to know that even as a 4th Grader I was better at spelling than Trump is now. (My dick was the same size then as Trump's is now, too! Hung like a gerbil .... )

Who can think that Trump, a man whose spelling is terribly, laughably hit-or-miss, could hope to crack that magic 1300 score that separates the geniuses both lesser and greater from the less-gifted? Yet that is exactly what Trump keeps trying to get us to believe. This is definitely a case of "Baffle them with bullshit," because Trump sure can't dazzle anyone who is of normal intelligence.

Trump just marches along, through a series of blunders, braying about how he is such a "stable genius" that there's no possibility that he's getting most things badly wrong. Nancy wants him to be given an intervention; I would settle for seeing his SATs. Let us start with a tiny reality check, one that definitely is called for.
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Wrong again, WC. It's just that Trump justifies a lot of the decisions he makes with the fact that he is a genius, when those opposing him are often defamed as very stupid. I just want to check that the metric our President is using, his being a genius, is a valid one.

On the personal level I'm pretty happy to know that I can spell far better than Trump and stop right there. Here, look: tap, T A P, tap! That is me, 4th Grade Spelling Champion. Trump has that one as tap, T A P P, tap, which simply is wrong. If Sister Ignatius were still with us she would hunt him down and give him a crack over the knuckles with her brass-edged wooden ruler for being such a dunderhead as that.

That's one of the easy words. Watch this: accomplishments, A C H O M L I S H M E N T S, accomplishments; that is Trump again failing most spectacularly, despite having told us that he has the "best words."

I rest upon my 4th Grade laurels in this case, content to know that even as a 4th Grader I was better at spelling than Trump is now. (My dick was the same size then as Trump's is now, too! Hung like a gerbil .... )

Who can think that Trump, a man whose spelling is terribly, laughably hit-or-miss, could hope to crack that magic 1300 score that separates the geniuses both lesser and greater from the less-gifted? Yet that is exactly what Trump keeps trying to get us to believe. This is definitely a case of "Baffle them with bullshit," because Trump sure can't dazzle anyone who is of normal intelligence.

Trump just marches along, through a series of blunders, braying about how he is such a "stable genius" that there's no possibility that he's getting most things badly wrong. Nancy wants him to be given an intervention; I would settle for seeing his SATs. Let us start with a tiny reality check, one that definitely is called for.
You're like a puppy who wonít let go of his favorite chew toy. I didnít know the Trump SAT scores were a thing till you went all OCD on it.

Itís time to move on.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 16:17
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I guess that you missed that part of Michael Cohen's last-minute tell-all, when he said that Trump had him go very heavy with the threats against all his schools so that they should keep everything hidden.

At that point I began to think what Trump had to hide there, when his SATs came to mind. They can function as a rough sort of indication of whether or not someone really is a genius, so that it seemed a bit odd that Trump would want to hide evidence that he really is a genius. What he would want to hide, of course, would be evidence that he is not really a genius at all.

The result of a formal IQ test is much easier to hide; it is very akin to a session with an analyst, plus it would be very difficult to track down one person among so many who could administer such a test.

The SATs are different because they are only done by ETS (the Educational Testing Service). They are on file there, and they would also be on file at Fordham, the first university Trump attended, and perhaps also at the University of Pennsylvania, since he transferred to its Wharton School after two years at Fordham. Unlike grades, when a C- at Yale might be worth more than an A+ at some community college, the SATs are standardized, when that makes them a good indicator for general intelligence.

It is interesting that both of our most vocal Trump partisans, OB and WC, are not even willing to venture the thought that I am being totally unfair to Trump, that his hidden SATs might prove him the genius that he claims he is. No money is being bet on a guy who can't spell "tap," is it?

Thanks, you two, for proving one point about Trump, that even his admirers seem to think he's really not all that sharp, and one point about yourselves. You are very quick to jump on Trump's foes, even for imaginary, vile things such as Joe Biden being a child molester, but totally unwilling to look at one awkward fact about Trump himself.
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For the record, Chuks, my comment about Biden was following a released video of him doing exactly what many women had told him was considered creepy and inappropriate. He said he would change, then continued, but this time with a 10 year old girl, to whom he made inappropriate comments.
That fact you can't see that is evidence of your blindness, not mine.

Secondly, I've never claimed Trump to be a genius, or even intellectually smart. Unlike you, I don't need his SAT scores to verify my opinions of him. He is, however, politically astute, and enjoys trolling his opponents and the likes of you.

Like many left-leaning types, though, you seem to think that native intelligence is the prime qualification for President. I would submit that the history of our 45 presidents suggests otherwise. Leadership is the prime qualification. If you don't like the way he's leading, you will have the opportunity to do your bit to change it in 2020 (assuming you have a vote in the US). Look at all the marvelous candidates from which you will be able to choose!

Finally, I do find it interesting that our critics here, largely Brits and Antipodeans, criticize Trump's lack of "couth", but have no problem declaring their own leaders to be dolts, slobs, and, yes, "uncouth", and use the vilest terms to describe them.
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Finally, I do find it interesting that our critics here, largely Brits and Antipodeans, criticize Trump's lack of "couth", but have no problem declaring their own leaders to be dolts, slobs, and, yes, "uncouth", and use the vilest terms to describe them.
You may have a point there but you should remember our politicians were put there by us, to do a job. When they fail to do that job, or are caught out doing unseemly things, we do resprt to calling them names. We do not shoot them!
Chuks: This thing about SATs has me interested. Being an "alien", I don't understand much about SATs but I had thought it was a measure of how well one had done at school. In other words, it measured what you had learned so I am puzzled re the connection between them and MENSA, as MENSA measure IQ which has nothing at all to do with education. A MENSA story: Many years ago I was a runner up in a competition in a national newspaper and organised by MENSA. I didn't win the single prize but was invited by MENSA to apply to take their test. I didn't bother.
About 10 years later, I was working on a radio system that was going to go into Cairo and one of our newly graduated systems engineers came by, showing some new hires around. He asked me what I was doing and I explained my colleague and I were modifying some of the software involved in order to make the system a bit more useful to the customer in Egypt. He didn't understand it so I explained it again. While explaining it for the third time, he scratched his head and said "I don't get it. I have a degree and I don't understand it, so how do you"? (He had graduated as an adult, sponsored by his employer. I had never been near a university!). The new guys behind him rolled their eyes and gently shook their heads. When he had gone, my American colleague asked what was that about and I had to say I didn't know but the man was a knob.
A month later, I was at home on leave when I decided to apply for that MENSA test. I took the test at Cardiff university (university at last in my mid-30s!) and got a letter from the organisers, telling me my IQ was in the top 2% etc etc. When I got back to the office, I made sure I told all the engineers in the office and showed them the letter. All except one that is. I didn't show nor mention it to the "knob". I allowed his colleagues to tell him.
Boy! Talk about smug!
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I see that Trump had his jacket buttoned when he met the Queen. I can hardly imagine the efforts his staff must have gone to just to have him adhere to this detail of gentlemanly deportment.
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Old 3rd Jun 2019, 20:55
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I see that Trump had his jacket buttoned when he met the Queen. I can hardly imagine the efforts his staff must have gone to just to have him adhere to this detail of gentlemanly deportment.
if sheís offended by something like that, she should recall sheís a titular head of state good for ribbon cutting ceremonies and that like him or not he the President of the United States.


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She wouldn't be offended or even flustered.
She's seen them all come and go and she's smarter than most of them.
However, she's probably the last person in this world you want to act like a fool in front of.
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She wouldn't be offended or even flustered.
She's seen them all come and go and she's smarter than most of them.
However, she's probably the last person in this world you want to act like a fool in front of.
I get it, Canada still has some latent (if only ceremonial) ties to the monarchy, try not to fall under her spell however. Donít accord her special qualities other great grandmothers donít have. Her job is to bring in the tourists, she knows in reality the advice and consent is a vestige of past times and that her role is to be trotted out for state dinners and new hospital ribbon cuttings.


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Kelvin, SAT stands for Scholastic Aptitude Test, meaning that it is meant to measure your ability to learn (very closely related to your intelligence, your IQ) rather than what you had learned.

Here in Germany the Abitur is the opposite; to graduate you have to pass some brutal finals that measure what you have learned, but you had been streamed for Gymnasium long before that so that your aptitude was a given. The numbers run opposite to the States: a 1.0 in Germany is top, an A+, and a 5 is an F. 4.9 is like a D-, I think, the worst grade that is still a pass for an Abitur.

Higher studies have what is called an NC (Numerus Clausus) for admission. Medicine requires a pretty high grade, usually something in the numerically low 1 range, but there are certain exceptions to this, along with some recent proposed changes to this requirement.

These tests, the SATs and the IQ tests, are biased towards native speakers of English, the language used for the tests. There is some reasoned debate about whether they really do measure intelligence for that reason, and for some other reasons too.

When I was in High School (I graduated in 1966) we had the PSAT (P for Preliminary) and then a year later the SATs. Your score went a long way towards securing you a place at a university, and a lot of my friends were excited to compare their scores. In my crowd we all knew we were relatively intelligent so that it was no big deal to have got a high score; it was more like "You lucky thing!" I think that some of the kids really did cram for the tests, as a way of securing a place at a good school, but I have no real idea of how that would have been done, perhaps by going into nearby New York City to some specialist schools for that. (Nowadays parents even fight to get their kids into the "right" pre-school group there!)

The way Trump has been braying about his genius IQ is a pretty sure sign that he is stupid; nobody who is really intelligent needs to do that. It is simply amusing to me to think that his SAT score is there in a few places, just waiting to blow his inflated boasts about being a genius out of the water. First and foremost, someone with a high IQ is simply someone who can get a good score on an IQ test so shouting that you have a high IQ just shows that you probably are faking it, to be stupid enough to do that.

I was working in a garage in Burlington, Vermont when a new guy showed up. (This was during the Vietnam War, when help was hard to find.) The new guy had the bay next to mine and I tried to help him out with a few things. After just a few days, though, it was obvious that he had not a clue about how to work on cars, so that I asked him what was up. Turned out, he was a graduate student in Higher Mathematics at UVM, and he thought that someone with a very high IQ such as his could just pick up some extra cash fixing cars, pretty much starting from zero.

I asked him then, "So you thought that guys who work on cars don't have much in the way of brains, huh?" Well yes, that was about it! Not that he was some sort of terrible snob or anything, he just figured that if dumb guys could fix cars, so could he: nothing to it.

It turned out, to his surprise, that mechanics often need to be pretty intelligent, not that most of them could take part in a discussion of imagery in Shakespeare's Hamlet, say. Some guy in greasy overalls, hammering away on a rusty exhaust system, might look like a modern caveman, but that does not mean he is as dumb as he looks, and that was his mistake. He went back to his maths, and we carried on working on Volvo, Renault, Peugeot, and MG cars,when the natural order was restored.
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