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Old 9th Apr 2019, 02:02
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It depends - some middle-level jobs (e.g. Directors of ICE and SS) and White House "advisors" (e.g. Jared and Ivanka) don't need Senate confirmation. Assumption being that Directors are hired by a Cabinet Secretary who does have to be confirmed, thus giving Congress some indirect control. And/or that the President needs and has a right to personal trusted staff only he can pick.

Additionally there is the little maneuver called a "Recess Appointment," in which, if the Congress is officially recessed (out of session), the president can appoint someone, even as a Cabinet Secretary, and they need not be confirmed until the next session of Congress. The counter to that (used in Aug. 2017 to prevent Trump firing AG Sessions, and appointing a new AG who would then fire Counsel Mueller) is for the Senate to hold "pro forma sessions" of a minute or so every three days, thus never formally going into recess. Bang the gavel - "The Senate will be in order!" - bang the gavel again - "the Senate is adjourned." The Senators themselves can be - elsewhere: home with the voters, sippin' ice tea and smoozing; or huntin' an fishin' in the North Woods; or whatever.
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 03:30
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Yes.
Checks and balances.
Congress is an integral segment of government.
The Executive is not the government.
Founding fathers were rightly worried about dictators and kings.

Eventually the really big shoe is going to drop on his head. Eventually. Still short on backbones in the swamp.
Congress alone is not the government either, the president has veto power.

And of late Congress can't even get their own act together to even propose governing to the president, thus leaving us to decrees of opinions and disharmony. Eventually the big shoe will be dropped by SCOTUS on all our heads. forcing us to go back and re-write the constitution over the next century if we want change.
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 05:29
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Yes.
Checks and balances.
Congress is an integral segment of government.
The Executive is not the government.
Founding fathers were rightly worried about dictators and kings.

Eventually the really big shoe is going to drop on his head. Eventually. Still short on backbones in the swamp.
The big shoe will be the 2020 elections amd that’s no guarantee for the Democrats.
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 06:09
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No it's not.
However, I've never seen a situation where a sitting prez has so many investigations and judicial cases surrounding him, his people, his businesses, his family.
Why is he so intent on not releasing all his tax returns?
Because he's hiding a lot. Because they will reveal more, even more, of his thoroughly despicable character and morality.

America is strong and full of wide ranging talents. There are no emergencies, just situations to handle in the normal course of events, preferably by competent and rational people, obviously not the current batch of ineffectuals.
You don't need this loose confetti cannon. You deserve better.

Wow - the guy running the Secret Service just fell past my window.
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 09:44
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Someone else to blame ....

Access to Mar a Lago is controlled by the Trump Organization, not, as with the White House and Camp David, by the Secret Service. So who got the blame for this dodgy Chinese bint showing up at Mar a Lago with everything but a swimsuit, seemingly bent on spying instead of using the pool and then meeting with some fake organization run by the Rub-a-Dub Queen selling access to Trump? Why, the Secret Service, of course!

Normal presidents have taken a lot more care about security than Trump does, often choosing Camp David for their breaks instead of a place not controlled by the Secret Service. Of course what normal president would have taken the word of Vladimir Putin over that of his own operatives when it came to what our arch-foes had been up to with his election?

When you listened to Trump's tone of voice, weak and wavering, there on stage in Helsinki, you just had to think that Putin had Trump's fuzzy, shriveled nads in his pocket then. I reckon there is a combination of something Trump wants, probably some deal in Russia, and something Trump does not want, perhaps the famous (or else non-existent) Moscow pee-pee video, at work there. Anyway, there was none of Trump's usual bluster, just a very weak sort of "Well, I believe him even if nobody else does .... " Something was very obviously off then.

Oh well, cheer up, Trump obsessives! His Israeli Doppelgänger, Bibi Netanyahu, looks set for defeat in his bid for a fifth term in office. If Bibi loses then he and his greedy and corpulent wife look set to both go down, probably to end up spending some time behind bars. Therefore there's a lot more at play than just losing an election. Bibi has been another one who's cast from the Trump mode, so that if he does get what has been coming to him then that will cast another shadow over Trumpworld. Conversely, if Bibi gets in again, I predict some jubilant braying coming from the Donald about that.
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 19:09
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
No it's not.
However, I've never seen a situation where a sitting prez has so many investigations and judicial cases surrounding him, his people, his businesses, his family.
Why is he so intent on not releasing all his tax returns?
Because he's hiding a lot. Because they will reveal more, even more, of his thoroughly despicable character and morality.

America is strong and full of wide ranging talents. There are no emergencies, just situations to handle in the normal course of events, preferably by competent and rational people, obviously not the current batch of ineffectuals.
You don't need this loose confetti cannon. You deserve better.

Wow - the guy running the Secret Service just fell past my window.
Because he's hiding a lot. Because they will reveal more, even more, of his thoroughly despicable character and morality.
I thought that also, before he was elected, I still think it

I also expect him to be elected yet again

why???
because he is the best for the US of those that will put up with our political system.

Nicer guys still finish behind pricks, ask Putin etc.

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Old 9th Apr 2019, 21:40
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
No it's not.
However, I've never seen a situation where a sitting prez has so many investigations and judicial cases surrounding him, his people, his businesses, his family.
Why is he so intent on not releasing all his tax returns?
Because he's hiding a lot. Because they will reveal more, even more, of his thoroughly despicable character and morality.

America is strong and full of wide ranging talents. There are no emergencies, just situations to handle in the normal course of events, preferably by competent and rational people, obviously not the current batch of ineffectuals.
You don't need this loose confetti cannon. You deserve better.

Wow - the guy running the Secret Service just fell past my window.
Yes it will. Should there be a “there” there, the process to identify it, the political and legal decisions and maneuvering along with an actual proceeding will extend to to the next election cycle which is already spinning up. Nancy wants nothing to do with Trump being removed by anything other than the ballot box as impeachment has negative consequences for Dems as well.
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 10:02
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Trump influence spreading ....

Where we first enjoyed watching Trump say "oranges" for "origins," we next enjoyed seeing his Secretary of the Treasury, Steve Mnuchin, telling Maxine Waters that she needed to use her "gravel" to end his questioning, since he had an important meeting he was running late for. (Actually it was just some diplomat from Bahrain, but never mind that now.)

Maxine then fixed him with a gaze emanating gamma rays and told him that he was free to go, gavel or no gavel, which left him flummoxed.

It made for entertaining TV but what is with everyone who orbits Trump? Mnuchin is a proud graduate of Yale University, someone who should know the difference between a gavel and gravel, but after hanging out with the Donald he seems to have lost that vital bit of knowledge. Or is it that he was some sort of dummy to begin with?

It is the darnedest thing, the way we were promised by Trump that he was going to mend his ways, surround himself with the "best people," and be so "presidential" that we would be bored by all that. Instead, the Donald is becoming yet more Donald, and even subverting those in his orbit. (Where once we had to be content with just one or two Trump lies per day we are now presented with up to twenty of them: big ones, little ones, makes no real difference, closing in on the ten thousand-lie mark very soon.)

In the middle of this verbal fog we had been presented with the notion by Mnuchin that he does not plan to comply with some boring and obscure law requiring him to hand over the Donald's tax returns. That one would have to rate as sort of interesting, now followed by the downright fascinating: a seeming refusal to present himself for any further questioning chaired by Ms. Waters. What, he is going to invoke some imaginary "Uppity Nigra Clause"?

Steve, Steve ... calm down! You are not from the Deep South. Your people are on the other side of this racial divide, over there with the darkies; there is just no way that this White Privilege thing is going to work out for some New York City Jew, even if you are Trump's Secretary of the Treasury. (Nobody voted for Steve; lots of people voted for Maxine.) Telling some uppity negress to make with the "gravel" since you have far more important business elsewhere, and that you are leaving to never come back because of being talked to in a certain way ... what is that supposed to be about? You come off there as forgetting who you really are by behaving that way, but then you are working for Trump, the master of that sort of thing.
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 13:30
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Mnuchin is a proud graduate of Yale University
Could be Harvard Law, or USC or Cambridge or Nevada Clown and Elvis College.
My experience tells me repeatedly that that does not make or mean you are smart, especially if you're some insulated NY lawyer with political pandering aspirations.
You may have carved out a successful(?) narrow niche you can function in, but "smart" - not necessarily.
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 14:07
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I really began to wonder about Yale when George W. Bush came along. His father, George H.W. Bush, was a Yale grad who was in Phi Beta Kappa, while taking some time off to be the youngest Navy pilot to serve in World War II. George W., on the other hand, seems to have been one of those who went to Yale mainly just to get the degree, going on to serve, sort of, in the Air National Guard as a legit way of staying out of Vietnam.

So there we see two Yalies: George H.W., excellent by many traditional measures thereof; George W., perhaps a bit below average. That said, a class at Yale has about two thousand graduates, so that there must be a few duds in there with the high-fliers.

Steve Mnuchin might be specifically lacking in social intelligence; his wife certainly is a moron judged that way, when "Like attracts like." Social intelligence can even be untaught by attending Yale. (Mrs. Mnuchin literally grew up in a castle; there is her excuse.)

I think poor old Steve was on unfamiliar ground, forced to sit there staring up at this angry black woman with the gavel in her hand, when his lack of social intelligence left him with his rudder cables cut. That was not the time to pull that "I am a person of greater importance who has a very much more important meeting I must now take so that I expect you to do whatever it is you do with that gravel .... "

One wonders how his boss, Donald Trump, is going to take Steve's looking so much at a loss in front of some horrid black woman. Could it be that he shall be the next one to decide that he needs to spend more time with his family? Yes, more time to take that greedhead wife of his shopping, and won't that be fun? Washington, D.C. has high-end shops, but it's nothing like New York City. D.C. can melt a credit card; New York can vaporize it!
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 16:20
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How come, Chuks, you are not on about Senator Gillibrand (who wants to replace Trump) babbling on about "tactile nuclear weapons" during one of those silly hearings this week?

Are they something proposed by Biden?

Or is it just your selective outrage at work again?
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 19:30
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Oooooo - them tactile nukes! Especially when you slip 'em between your thighs. "With one of those, fella (or gal) could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas!"
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 19:39
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You nailed it, OB. One obsession at a time! There are so many turkeys in Washington that I think I can wait to see who gets in next before I go mad. No sense just blazing away at the whole flock, is there?

If you like guessing, OB, let us know what you think Trump will say when Julian Assange ends up in the States and starts playing "Let's Make a Deal" with the prosecutors. Want to bet he starts to blab about all of what happened in this three-way between WikiLeaks, the Russians, and the Trump campaign if it is a matter of spending less than the rest of his life in a Supermax by doing that?

Trump was happy to take Assange at his word when it came to what he passed along about the Democrats, so let's see how he feels about everything Assange forgot to talk about then, Trump and the Republicans.

When you think about it, isn't it remarkable that WikiLeaks furnished a flood of information about one side, but nothing about the other side? Not so much remarkable that what they told then was one-sided, just that they must also have dirt on Trump and his Republicans that might come out now that he's going to be brought back to be put on trial. I just do not see Trump looking at that as such a good thing, Assange's rat-like survival instincts kicking in. If Cohen was such a disappointment to Trump, how should Assange work out?
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 19:51
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Well let's see, Chuks. Assange has been cooped up eating Chinese takeout in the Ecuadorian embassy for the last 7 years. Seems to me that someone else was in charge in the US during most of that time, or perhaps my memory fails me.

At any rate, looking at the pathetic creature they dragged out of there today, I'd say his time has passed.

Yours might have, too, Chuks. Perhaps you have missed it over there in Bremen, but the Demos have moved on from "Russia,Russia,Russia", and have returned to "racist,racist,racist" when they are not bitching about Jews.
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 20:58
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Oooooo - them tactile nukes! Especially when you slip 'em between your thighs. "With one of those, fella (or gal) could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas!"

I’m visualizing Slim Pickens waving his cowboy hat as he rides the bomb down to the surface.
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 21:50
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OB, you lost me with that post. Jews tend to vote Democratic, as far as I know. There are two (2) Jewish Republican Representatives; the rest of our Jewish legislators are Democrats, or else Bernie Sanders who tends to vote with the Democrats.

I guess you have been listening to Trump with your BS filter set to "Off" again. He seems to have American Jews mixed up with Israeli supporters of Netanyahu.

Assange did not look too good, did he? Sort of made me think of Howard Hughes after years spent cooped up in a penthouse at the Desert Inn. Trump probably looked at that sorry mess and thought about how little it might take to get Assange to tell all about what they got up to together back in 2016.
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Old 11th Apr 2019, 23:33
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Why bother with Assange

Sky quoted a statement that Assange might only be facing five years in the poke should the U.S. convict him.

Has he not endangered U.S. and allied security? Haven't lives been lost through his anti U.S. campaign?

I thought he was going to be destined for the SuperMax you have out West. If he is just going to get a measly five years with parole in two then why bother?

What a soiled nappy this character is. Lock him up or else just let him go on to the fame he craves and the riches that await.

Snowden I have respect for. Ellsberg I have unlimited respect for. Assange? Nope. But it looks like he will profit from this.
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 01:07
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Technically, Assange is not an "Ellsberg" or a "Snowden." No betrayal of an oath or government position of trust.

Assange published things obtained and leaked by others - nominally just a reporter - which makes him a "Neil Sheehan" (the NYT reporter who wrote up Ellsberg's material).

As such, he gets certain protections, no matter how soiled a nappie he is. It says so right on the box (First Amendment).

However, he may have engaged in a priori conspiracy with then-Bradley Manning to get additional material; and/or a foreign intel agency (Gucifer 2.0 at the GRU), and that could put him at risk, if the government can make the case. And possibly other crimes, outside the realm of reporting.

In other journalism news, the National Enquirer is in the toilet. Losing circulation precipitously, buried under $882M in debt, and now up for "imminent sale" along with sister pubs The Globe and National Examiner. As the book title says, Everything Trump Touches Dies.
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 04:52
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It will be quite interesting to see how our DoJ (Department of Justice) proceeds with Assange. He could be offered a deal to make him talk or else draw a harsh sentence. That, or else he could be given a trial that sees him simply tried, convicted or not, and then imprisoned or not, with no effort made to explore what went on between him, the Russians, and perhaps the Trump campaign.

As Fred points out, Assange might have collaborated, probably from what we have been told, did collaborate with PFC Bradley Manning in the theft of classified information Manning had access to. What he did with that information afterwards could be treated as a separate matter, thus leaving Trump out of this mess.

In theory the DoJ should be independent of the president, but in the case of Trump, as with Nixon before him, this important precedent has often been grossly violated. It is hard to see Trump taking a hands-off approach to the DoJ's taking a real deep look at his relationship to WikiLeaks. We just saw Trump claim that he knows nothing about Assange and WikiLeaks, despite what he said during the campaign. Typical Trump, a complete reversal from "I love WikiLeaks" to "Who?" but then this is the man who has no trouble denying stuff he has been recorded saying.

It could be taken as a matter of priority, the DoJ choosing to focus on the theft and distribution of highly classified defense information while leaving the theft and distribution of sensitive, nonclassified campaign information to one side.

It will be interesting to see what Trump does next, and whether his Republicans back him as usual. If Trump were smart then he would stay mostly quiet about Assange and WikiLeaks, but that would not be Trump.
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Old 12th Apr 2019, 23:25
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Newest Trump approach to immigration enforcement - "Just break the laws - I'll pardon you if you get in trouble!" Now there's a precedent for the next Democratic President.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/12/polit...don/index.html

...and just shipping immigrants to the "sanctuary cities/states" - as though they won't be free to just move on to wherever they want.

Not a clue.
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