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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 20:56
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That's me told, but what about Trump?

Your opinion of my driving has been duly recorded, pondered upon somewhat deeply, and then filed under GAFGAF, OB, even though you are not alone in having such a one.

Thanks for that, and feel free to share any other insights you may come up with. Stay off the roads of Europe, the UK, and Ireland and you should do just fine, since I have no plans to terrorize the roads of the Pacific Northwest again with my dangerous style of driving.

So now, OB, back to Topic A, Trump:

1. Does a normal person have to tell us, unasked, that he is normal?

2. Can't a normal person pronounce "origins" as such, not as "oranges"?

3. Does a normal person not know where his father was born, at least in terms of "On which continent was your father born?"

Going by all three of these things, OB, we seem to have someone in the Oval Office who clearly is abnormal. Given your display of hypersensitivity to my style of driving, OB, are you equally as, or even much more disturbed by seeing that our president is a few sandwiches short of a picnic?

Of course a liberal and a quasi-Democrat is going to lose it to TDS when presented with these three facts (not even opinions), but what about a stout-hearted and Argus-eyed, true blue admirer and observer of the Orange God?

I am looking at you, OB, so tell us about something that matters much, much more than whether I really do still drive "like one of the damned on holiday." Is Trump, or at least is Trump's mental state, "normal," or "abnormal," and should that matter?

Here, I will make it easy:

1. Trump is normal and so is his mental state: Sound as a silver dollar.

2. Trump is abnormal and so is his mental state: Mad as a box of frogs.

3, There is absolutely nothing to worry about: Iceberg, what iceberg? This ship is unsinkable.

4, There is some cause for concern, yes: WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE, BECAUSE OF THIS MADMAN IN THE OVAL OFFICE!

Just pick some numbers, OB, and get back to us on this, if you please.

WC, please go play in traffic. There's a good boy!
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 21:34
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Well here is one for today, Chuks, and you'll have to like it:

According to CNN headline this morning, Senate leader McConnell invited Jens Stoltenburg (head guy of your favorite outfit, Chuks, NATO, apparently not a club) to address a joint session of Congress. This, as CNN tells it, was a clear rebuke to Trump and his disdain for Europe, NATO, and anyone else who either speeds a lot or cheats at golf. After all, McConnell didn't even ask Trump's advice before making the invite. Better than a slap upside the head.

So he did. Came in and gave his talk. However, his message was "Well done, Mr President, due to your leadership, NATO is stronger, the club members need to pay more, and they are indeed paying more". Of course, CNN moved the speech down its priority sheet, well below ranting Jerry Nadler and "how creepy is Biden now".

Stick to riding motorbikes, Chuks. The faster the better. Somehow I'm sure you can blame that habit on Trump too.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 04:46
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It's called "diplomacy." Look it up.

So Mr. Stoltenberg chose to use diplomacy rather than crude confrontation, answering Trump's rough words with his own smooth ones, basically trying to agree with the Donald to the maximum extent possible.

Why should I have a problem with that? After all, Angela Merkel has been giving Donald side-eye combined with smooth words for two years now. Should she tell him exactly what she now thinks of an idiot who repeatedly claims that his father was born in Germany when everyone knows he was born in the Bronx?

OB, I assume that you somehow are ignoring the contrasting approaches to addressing a NATO ally taken by Trump and Stoltenberg. simply taking this yourself for validation of what Trump has been blustering about.

You do seem to understand the fundamental error Trump is making about scolding NATO members for not paying their dues, as if it were one of his golf clubs; there are no "dues" as such, just agreed levels of military spending.

Looking at the States compared to Germany sometimes I loosely think of a tooled-up redneck with his thousands of dollars worth of guns ... yet he lives in a trailer. Way across town there's a fellow who spends his money on his kids, not so much on guns (in general he plans to call the cops if there is trouble, trouble he takes care to avoid) ... and he lives in a nice house.

Do you see how Stoltenberg was trying to avoid provoking Trump by conceding that member nations do need to increase their military spending, while also avoiding pointing out not just that Trump is factually wrong (outright lying about issues to do with NATO in many cases) but also quite boorish?

It will be interesting to see how Trump handles someone appearing to agree with him, how he can make that into someone else being unfair to him.

So, OB, CNN, the fake news people, never told you about this speech, did they? No, wait ... you mean that they did, but not as the first item on their broadcast, as if CNN had other things to report as well. Why should having a gnat-like attention span cause you to complain about CNN? That's not their fault.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 04:50
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He placed the credit precisely where it is -- on Trump. Since you are completely incapable of recognizing when Trump has accomplished something, it makes the rest of your continual ranting and insults worth exactly........nothing.

Not to worry, though, you have almost six more years to natter on.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 05:21
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Originally Posted by PacWest View Post
OMG - to laugh out loud .. this from a person who spends most of his life 'viciously' disparaging the U.S. on a chat forum and, more particularly, the President of the U.S. It appears the one with the mask of anger is you Fred. Spend a bit of time reflecting on your own 'vicious' ramblings on this thread..
Sorry in the delay in getting back, but contrary to your misperception I attend to other things most often. I feel badly over the disappointment this must bring.

I am flattered however, that you concede my points to have been correct. Your use of the ad hominem reveals that you have no well thought out position to put forth as a counter to mine. Here the reader is left to believe I must have made a valid point to merit such a vitriolic response.

Most of my posts on this thread are questions anyway and not statements, so minus yet another mark from your tally which is, understandably, looking a bit thin.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 05:27
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You are so cute when you become angry!

All we have to do is to count the little dots, just as with Trump. Here we drove OB up to using seven of them when he only needed ... three.

OB, I don't expect Trump to get things wrong all the time. As the Germans say, "Even a blind chicken finds a grain of corn now and then." It does not bother me when he gets something small right, because sooner rather than later he is going to get something big quite wrong, thus confirming me in my deep contempt for this blundering fool.

OB, you tell me, but say I showed up at some local gathering and told everyone that my father had been born in Germany, when I could not even name the place ... what kind of reaction should that provoke? "How come when you showed up here you did not have a word of German, if your father came from Germany? I thought you told us that your father came from Oregon. I remember that story .... "

Seriously, OB, the guy's father was born in the Bronx; everyone but Trump knows that, so what in hell is going on here with him claiming, thrice, that his father was born in Germany? What is wrong here?
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 06:10
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Really, Chuks, I don't give a pint of sh!t where Trump's father was born, or even if he knows who his father was. But your obsession with this matter is bizarre. Did you fall off your motorbike once too often? They have those trike-like rigs now, you know, for old guys who can't keep everything together!
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 07:44
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Mr. Jens Stoltenberg is a true-red socialist who was very much anti-Nato in his days before Norway bought him a position in NATO to get rid of him.
Over here he is known as BulkeJens after a he dented a parked car with his Labour Party or Government issued one. Can't remember which.
He wrote a note and left in on the windshield of the dented car. A witness recognised Jen's, wrote down his car's registration, checked the note, which contained nothing, and called the police.
The rest is history. Google BulkeJens.
Is this the guy you present to us the great supporter of Trump.
You can keep him, we don't want him back.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 09:27
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My bizarre obsessions, Chapter XLV ....

OB, you don't care whether the President of the United States of America (here we pause as the Marine Corps Band performs "Hail to the Chief") knows where his own father was born?

Or is Trump trying to reveal a hidden truth, that he is the bastard son of a high-ranking SS man, a strapping, balding blonde who fled Germany post-war to find work as a gardener for Fred Trump, when Donald was the result? Stranger things have happened, but usually just on the "Jerry Springer Show," not on the world stage.

Looking ahead about a month, it will be me asking OB if he cares that Trump showed up to greet Angela Merkel without his pants on. OB will only care about my "bizarre obsession" with things that seem to show that Trump is losing his mind.

Then comes Trump's appearance on the "Jerry Springer Show," when he tells us that he's dumping Melania to marry a horse, again nothing to worry about according to his followers but maybe, just maybe reason to invoke the 25th Amendment.

It is funny that you should mention that, OB, but my neighbor does have a Can-Am Spyder: two wheels in front, one in back; liquid-cooled 115 bhp. engine originally from a snowmobile, I think; top speed over 100 mph. (One big selling point is that one can operate it with a normal car license; you do not need a motorcycle license. Too, it must be somewhat easier to operate than a motorcycle.)

Our street always has school children walking past, to and from the school up at one end, just across the road and down a little ways. One day I had my BMW R1100S out there, polishing it, while next door Harry's Spyder was parked. Those miserable brats ignored my motorcycle and all stood around it gawking at the Spyder!

OB, next time you visit Germany do come and visit. We can put you in some motorcycle kit and then I will take you for a little ride on the Autobahn so that you can see for yourself if I still have it together or not. You okay with high speed? No screaming or crapping your pants when we max it out in sixth gear, okay? At 130 I can't hear the passenger screaming anyway: earplugs and wind noise. You will just have to hang on real tight and hope the old guy still knows what he's doing.

If you survive, OB, just think of the posts you can write here on Jet Blast! "My brush with death at the hands of a geriatric maniac on the A27!" could be one.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 16:05
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No thanks, Chuks, I gave up motorcycles after taking care of some horrendos early in my training.

It never seemed to be the biker's fault, but they sure paid the price. Here in Arizona they die at a high rate.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 17:00
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Really, Chuks, I don't give a pint of sh!t where Trump's father was born, or even if he knows who his father was. But your obsession with this matter is bizarre. Did you fall off your motorbike once too often? They have those trike-like rigs now, you know, for old guys who can't keep everything together!
http://[Why did Trump say his dad wa...c.net/s/rfmxhd
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 21:17
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
OB, you don't care whether the President of the United States of America (here we pause as the Marine Corps Band performs "Hail to the Chief") knows where his own father was born?
I am not sure he doesn't know ... but I get the impression that he also gets caught up in the moment and we get a wide variety of gaffes. Entertaining, at times.

As to Klan and Catholics: ah, yeah, had forgotten that bit of animosity and cross burning motivation. The American Protestant antipathy for Catholics is still around, but not as virulent as half a century (and more) ago.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 04:22
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“The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.”

The Klan has always been much more than just retards with funny titles, basically just good old boys gone slightly wrong, raising simple hell. Have some history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klu...tates_politics Check out Number Three on that list!

Going by contemporary newspaper reports Fred Trump probably was some sort of Klucker for at least a little while, since he was arrested as one of seven robed Klansmen at some sort of anti-Catholic disturbance.

On the other hand, in later life Fred Trump worked closely with various New York City Jews so that there he could not have been a sincere member of the Klan. That said, though, he could scarcely have worked in real estate in New York City without working with Jews, since they are prominent there in that field. It is complicated.

Or you can simply take Donald Trump at his word, that Fred was born in Germany and that he had never been arrested in New York City. OB is okay with that, right?

Is Donald Trump a snark or a boojum? We really need to know.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 20:32
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Or you can simply take Donald Trump at his word, that Fred was born in Germany and that he had never been arrested in New York City. OB is okay with that, right?
If Don say it's rainin, I tend to check by looking out of the window. Likewise with most pols, but he's made his own mess insofar as being a blowhard and Twiiter Addict.
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 03:27
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Uncle Fred predicts

That if the democrats do not come up with a realistic immigration policy on the quick, that Trump will ease back into the White House.

Solid reporting out there regarding the numbers of immigrants trying to reach the U.S. and it is breathtaking. I simply cannot grasp the complexities involved in this. I have read (in the Washington Post--no righty rag to be sure) that the numbers this year might be close to one million. Good heavens that is a decdent sized metropolis.

Either way, how does one bring a rational solution to this? What is fair? How much labor is there to be done?

None are/is easy to answer. Perhaps there is no answer. Yet one would think that something would need to be done.

Hey, I know, not my worry...but if one does not even try to answer those questions then Trump stays put. The left is going to self-immolate if they don't smarten up. With the exception of that young chap from Indiana, I look at the cast of characters the Democratic party is trotting out and shake my head. Trump will destroy them.

Fred out.
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 05:00
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I don't disagree, Fred, except that the Democrat disarray makes me happy. The trouble with having so many candidates, is that party supporters will fall in with the one they like, but are not always willing to move to the next when their own drops out. That was the case with the Repubs in 2016.

The Democrats are staking their hopes on ideas that are not in line with most Americans. It's like they have decided to toss it in in 2020 and hope that some leadership will arise for 2014. So far none of them look like leaders. On the other hand, the Repubs are not coming up with future leaders either.
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 12:58
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I don't disagree, Fred, except that the Democrat disarray makes me happy. The trouble with having so many candidates, is that party supporters will fall in with the one they like, but are not always willing to move to the next when their own drops out. That was the case with the Repubs in 2016.

The Democrats are staking their hopes on ideas that are not in line with most Americans. It's like they have decided to toss it in in 2020 and hope that some leadership will arise for 2014. So far none of them look like leaders. On the other hand, the Repubs are not coming up with future leaders either.
Ideology wise, 2020 will offer clear differences between candidates. Socialist vs capitalist.
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 13:15
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West Coast,
Ideology wise, 2020 will offer clear differences between candidates. Socialist vs capitalist.
So come 2020, who's going to be the GOP's presidential capitalist candidate? Surely you don't think Trump is a conservative capitalist, do you?
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 13:42
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Theory From A Fox News Host

“How would you like to spend your 70s locked in the White House?” asked Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who suggested President Trump might be actively seeking to avoid a second term. What if President Trump were sick of being president, he mused, and wanted to doom his own chances of reelection? But what would the commander in chief need to do, practically speaking, to arrange his escape?

First, he would cut Medicare. “That’s something that nobody outside the libertarian symposia circuit wants to see,” Carlson said.

Second, he would slash funding for the federal E-Verify database, an electronic system that enables employers to check documents provided by new hires against government records. “That would allow companies to keep hiring illegal alien labor, in violation of a key campaign promise,” Carlson observed.

In further engineering his own defeat, Carlson said, Trump might allow more low-skilled workers into the country, reduce the prison sentences of people convicted of drug crimes and “continue our pointless military intervention in Syria, which in no way benefits the United States.”

“If the president did all that, the message would be very clear,” the Fox host said. “He has no idea what he ran on in 2016. He just wants out.” But if voters still didn’t get the message — perhaps they were “too distracted by the Russia hoax to notice,” Carlson said — one final move could really drive the message home, “You’d raise gas taxes,” he said. The punchline was that the Trump administration has done — or is reportedly thinking about doing — each of these things.

To Carlson, that possibility was most troubling of all. Increasing levies on gas, he said, is "so mindless and counterproductive there’s literally no way you could get reelected after doing it." “And, in fact, the administration is proposing just that,” he said incredulously. He said the policy is popular in the capital because political heavyweights are “too rich to care what gas costs.”

“But if you live outside the coastal cities, and you’re not rich, higher gas prices are a disaster,” Carlson said. The Fox host called the idea “nuts,” adding, “If you’re really sick of the job, go with the gas tax.”

Interesting theory for conservatives to muse over...




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Old 6th Apr 2019, 16:31
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Ideology wise, 2020 will offer clear differences between candidates. Socialist vs capitalist.
Can we at least get together on the meaning of "socialist?" I thought we'd determined that it means "public (government) ownership of the means of production," and not just a larger or smaller social safety net. Back 50 pages or so when chuks and ob were debating whether Germany and the Scandinavian countries were "socialist" - as opposed to "capitalist, with strong(er) social programs".

I'm not aware of any candidate for POTUS that is calling for government ownership of the means of production. Government regulation of certain means of production is, of course, "as American as Apple Pie," and has been with us since 1776 (if not before).
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