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Old 26th Mar 2019, 23:03
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  1. Abuse of power
  2. Amoral behavior
  3. Illegal financial benefit from the Presidency
  4. Corruption of truth
  5. Obstruction of justice
  6. Withholding of tax accounts
  7. Disastrous and unsubstantiated foreign policy
  8. Mental instability
  9. Seriously deficient intelligence and education in diplomacy and international affairs
  10. Access to the nuclear strike capability
  11. Negligent waste of taxpayers money in weekend trips to Mar Al Lago
  12. Inability to understand and relate to the needs of US citizens who are not billionaires
  13. And last of all the idiocy of his 'WALL' which will piss billions into the sands that could have been better used.
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 23:11
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Please - it is a small point and we don't really expect the might of the USA to understand this - but we are not 'Scotch' - we are Scottish. 'Scotch' is what we drink and we hope you do too. And yes we are not so arrogant as to think that you will listen to our say. That is understandable. It may be that we should not have the temerity to express our opinions on this site. But Just as we are small and no-one needs listen to us - You are HUGE, dominant, and massively in control of the destiny of the World. We and the rest of the World would like you to at least listen.
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Old 26th Mar 2019, 23:30
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How many investigations are there going on into trump.prez, trump.org, trump.wife, trump.kids, trump.$$$ after Meuller's contribution of evidence? 15? 16?
From what I hear the SDNY and others do not mess around.

Pity no one from the same or another party is shining like a beacon.
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 00:03
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Fear not, Structor -- I wrote that on purpose to wind you up! (I can't help it -- it's English genetics!)

And 1 through 10 at least, on your list, have been requirements for the presidency for ages.
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 02:28
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You can not make this up!

I think everyone has seen clips of US soldiers stringing razor wire along the border with Mexico at Trump's command. Now it turns out that Mexican thieves are stealing the razor wire and selling it to Mexicans who want to protect their property. We will need a wall to protect our wall:

I had wondered about how those wall prototypes were themselves fenced off, instead of being left exposed to the depredations of feral beaners. They are gone now, demolished before they could be stolen.
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 02:39
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Originally Posted by structor View Post
Please - it is a small point and we don't really expect the might of the USA to understand this - but we are not 'Scotch' - we are fragile little snowflakes
There, fixed that for you.
Now, go and have a sip of whisky and a lie down.
You've become overwrought, and are no longer in your safe place.
I've met a number of real people from Scotland, and none of them are such an embarrassment to the cross of St Andrew.
(Though we do agree that this wall is a farcical farce)
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 18:10
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Originally Posted by structor View Post
  1. Abuse of power
  2. Amoral behavior
  3. Illegal financial benefit from the Presidency
  4. Corruption of truth
  5. Obstruction of justice
  6. Withholding of tax accounts
  7. Disastrous and unsubstantiated foreign policy
  8. Mental instability
  9. Seriously deficient intelligence and education in diplomacy and international affairs
  10. Access to the nuclear strike capability
  11. Negligent waste of taxpayers money in weekend trips to Mar Al Lago
  12. Inability to understand and relate to the needs of US citizens who are not billionaires
  13. And last of all the idiocy of his 'WALL' which will piss billions into the sands that could have been better used.
Your family drawn to dramatics? To be fair, during the Obama administration many of conservative had to be talked off the ledge with similar concerns.

WRT 13, curious why you believe that, or are you simply repeating what your family and the media are spouting?
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Old 27th Mar 2019, 21:42
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English as your second language, or what?

Trump himself said of his wall that it would be almost impossible to climb over. You can write that in another way, you know: His wall will be possible to climb over. Then there is tunneling under it: also possible. So ... what is the point, given that there are many better ways to secure our border with Mexico?

We all know this guy is stupid, but just how stupid is he? When you are confronted with a 30-foot wall you bring a 35-foot ladder. If you need to get under ten-foot footings, you dig a tunnel twelve feet down. Right, Donald, no way to get over or under your beautiful wall. You tell 'em.

The last time I was so positive of what I knew, that was thinking that we would never elect such an obvious assclown as Trump. (That said, I did win Ä50 off a Swedish friend betting that we could be stupid enough to do exactly that. I wanted to jinx Trump with my bet.) Now I am positive that this wall will never be built. And I am very, very extremely positive that Mexico will not pay for the wall.

Trump is just messing with his base, I think. In the end it will be that he tried his best ... but those darn Democrats! They just want to see that Mexican invasion continue, all those illegals who always vote Democratic.
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 02:07
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
Trump himself said of his wall that it would be almost impossible to climb over. You can write that in another way, you know: His wall will be possible to climb over. Then there is tunneling under it: also possible. So ... what is the point, given that there are many better ways to secure our border with Mexico?

We all know this guy is stupid, but just how stupid is he? When you are confronted with a 30-foot wall you bring a 35-foot ladder. If you need to get under ten-foot footings, you dig a tunnel twelve feet down. Right, Donald, no way to get over or under your beautiful wall. You tell 'em.

The last time I was so positive of what I knew, that was thinking that we would never elect such an obvious assclown as Trump. (That said, I did win €50 off a Swedish friend betting that we could be stupid enough to do exactly that. I wanted to jinx Trump with my bet.) Now I am positive that this wall will never be built. And I am very, very extremely positive that Mexico will not pay for the wall.

Trump is just messing with his base, I think. In the end it will be that he tried his best ... but those darn Democrats! They just want to see that Mexican invasion continue, all those illegals who always vote Democratic.
I’m glad you brought the topic up again. Last time I asked you to address why you over in Germany should be believed wrt building a wall over the head of the CBP, (Obama appointed) the head of the union and the rank and file agents all believe in building the wall. Last time you evaded answering and ran off with your tail tucked.


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Old 28th Mar 2019, 02:43
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Westy, same reason he's so sure that Trump will be drawn and quartered once the entire Mueller report is released: he has inside information about the content!
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 05:19
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Westy, same reason he's so sure that Trump will be drawn and quartered once the entire Mueller report is released: he has inside information about the content!
Iím sure heíll respond in a bloated multi paragraph diatribe where he wonít address the topic but ask why I voted for Trump despite not having done so.
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 06:30
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Bigg wurdz from I.M., but I.R. wins again!

Whoah, a victory dance, one meant to show alert readers that I once ran off with my tail tucked. What, WC, I was defeated then by the power of the logic in your question? If you say so, if you say so ....

Well, tuck this bit somewhere shady, Trump-lovers: "Public-sector unions are biased by the labor interests of members and their political interests in forging strategic relationships with whoever is in power. Union officials do not tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Disinterested policy insight isn’t something they offer. And politicians who pretend otherwise are trying to mislead you." That's from this think-piece I found on the Atlantic website: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/trump-nbpc/580237/

Non-specific, I know, but simply think of how often we see some Chief of Police get up there to speak on behalf of his rank and file to contradict what the mayor just said in a stump speech.

WC, I know you like to keep it simple, when they don't come much more simple than arguments borrowed from Trump, but do you really think that this complete reversal on the wall by the CBP union means that they now stand united behind something they recently were so dismissive of? "Walls and fences are only a speed bump. People who want to come to the United States to obtain employment will continue to go over, under, and around the walls and fences that are constructed."

Did you just ask someone who lives in Germany what he thinks about border walls? How much of a dunderhead would someone have to be not to know that a large part of Germany put its trust in a border wall, one that far surpassed whatever Trump wants to see built?

So, how did that " border wall" thing work out for East Germany, WC? Was it boffo or a flop?

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that most people now think that the wall on the internal German border was a very expensive flop. On the other hand, it would have been hard to find many citizens of East Germany who spoke up to say it was a bad idea when it was being built. That part you got right, WC.

Nice one, OB. You are sure that I am sure that .... Yes, yes, but am I just as sure that I know what you are sure about, as sure as you are about what I am sure about? I am not sure that I am as sure about what you think I am sure about as you are sure about that.

Tell you what, OB, you be sure for both of us about what I think, okay? It would make a real mess, trying to hang, draw, and quarter a 285-pound orange bag of suet, so that I am not sure that I am sure that is the way to go; there must be better options available, but if you are sure that I am sure about that, you just go right ahead and be sure for both of us.

By the way: What is the point of doing a cut-and-paste of my entire post? Why force someone to read the whole thing again, rather than just quote some small part of what I wrote in the first place, whatever it is you want to disagree with?

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Old 28th Mar 2019, 16:14
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----Q. E. D.
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 19:51
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----Q. E. D.

so was the Mueller report which didn't
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 20:12
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@West Coast
McCain's line on the US use of troops was "don't do it halfassed like was done in Viet Nam" and it informed his initial objections to the Bosnia ops in the mid 90's.
But you are right, he was not intensely averse to military force/deployment as a means to an end. His criticisms of President Bush during OIF were not well received by many in the hard core of the GOP power clique.
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 22:04
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Whoah, a victory dance, one meant to show alert readers that I once ran off with my tail tucked. What, WC, I was defeated then by the power of the logic in your question? If you say so, if you say so ....

Well, tuck this bit somewhere shady, Trump-lovers: "Public-sector unions are biased by the labor interests of members and their political interests in forging strategic relationships with whoever is in power. Union officials do not tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Disinterested policy insight isnít something they offer. And politicians who pretend otherwise are trying to mislead you." That's from this think-piece I found on the Atlantic website: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/trump-nbpc/580237/

Non-specific, I know, but simply think of how often we see some Chief of Police get up there to speak on behalf of his rank and file to contradict what the mayor just said in a stump speech.

WC, I know you like to keep it simple, when they don't come much more simple than arguments borrowed from Trump, but do you really think that this complete reversal on the wall by the CBP union means that they now stand united behind something they recently were so dismissive of? "Walls and fences are only a speed bump. People who want to come to the United States to obtain employment will continue to go over, under, and around the walls and fences that are constructed."

Did you just ask someone who lives in Germany what he thinks about border walls? How much of a dunderhead would someone have to be not to know that a large part of Germany put its trust in a border wall, one that far surpassed whatever Trump wants to see built?

So, how did that " border wall" thing work out for East Germany, WC? Was it boffo or a flop?

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that most people now think that the wall on the internal German border was a very expensive flop. On the other hand, it would have been hard to find many citizens of East Germany who spoke up to say it was a bad idea when it was being built. That part you got right, WC.

Nice one, OB. You are sure that I am sure that .... Yes, yes, but am I just as sure that I know what you are sure about, as sure as you are about what I am sure about? I am not sure that I am as sure about what you think I am sure about as you are sure about that.

Tell you what, OB, you be sure for both of us about what I think, okay? It would make a real mess, trying to hang, draw, and quarter a 285-pound orange bag of suet, so that I am not sure that I am sure that is the way to go; there must be better options available, but if you are sure that I am sure about that, you just go right ahead and be sure for both of us.

By the way: What is the point of doing a cut-and-paste of my entire post? Why force someone to read the whole thing again, rather than just quote some small part of what I wrote in the first place, whatever it is you want to disagree with?

So you donít have an answer beyond the union is corrupt.

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Old 28th Mar 2019, 22:32
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WC, why do you bother to retort to stuff you haven't even read? Union leaders have to keep the boss happy, within reason. Here the CBP union is trying to keep Trump happy by parroting his lines, that's all. Where do you see corruption in that? This is politics.

You guys ... Trump rolls out people to use as stage props and you think that shows that suddenly all, but all members of Customs and Border Patrol are for the very same wall that their leaders had criticized just shortly beforehand.

Seriously, my dudes, you look like a whole pack of dogs all chasing that ball that Trump only pretended to throw! Where did you put your brains? Are they with the coat check girl at Club Trump for the next two years, or what? You should all do the good thing and become organ donors: spleens, kidneys, eyes, but especially the BRAINS. "Top condition; low mileage; hardly been used!"

Look, I don't really mind the lousy grammar and the lack of ability to spell common words; your prose still makes a welcome break from reading Trumptweets. It is the rampant idiocy that gets on my tits, though.

I used to tell myself to pop another Xanax and chill out. To take a big hit off the bong and get back in the hot tub for the next two years or whatever because anyway these guys are just pretending to do this Trump thing. It's just them winding up the liberals, faking the Trump trip, nothing more. Who could really be as thick as Trump except Trump himself? And Donald, Jr., yeah, and of course Eric, but aside from those three? Okay, Michael "Yeah, put my name on the papers for that Delaware corporation" Cohen, okay, him too and that makes four. But anyway this, this situation is still within bounds ....

Well, I was wrong to think Trump would never be elected, and I think I might have got this one wrong too. Me, the genius. What did that stupid thing I read the other day say? Was it that from age 40 on we lose 5% of our brain every decade ... or was that every year?

I think I might be in trouble. Move over boys, some of those tweets are beginning to make sense.
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 22:58
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WC, why do you bother to retort to stuff you haven't even read? Union leaders have to keep the boss happy, within reason. Here the CBP union is trying to keep Trump happy by parroting his lines, that's all. Where do you see corruption in that? This is politics.

You guys ... Trump rolls out people to use as stage props and you think that shows that suddenly all, but all members of Customs and Border Patrol are for the very same wall that their leaders had criticized just shortly beforehand.

Seriously, my dudes, you look like a whole pack of dogs all chasing that ball that Trump only pretended to throw! Where did you put your brains? Are they with the coat check girl at Club Trump for the next two years, or what? You should all do the good thing and become organ donors: spleens, kidneys, eyes, but especially the BRAINS. "Top condition; low mileage; hardly been used!"

Look, I don't really mind the lousy grammar and the lack of ability to spell common words; your prose still makes a welcome break from reading Trumptweets. It is the rampant idiocy that gets on my tits, though.

I used to tell myself to pop another Xanax and chill out. To take a big hit off the bong and get back in the hot tub for the next two years or whatever because anyway these guys are just pretending to do this Trump thing. It's just them winding up the liberals, faking the Trump trip, nothing more. Who could really be as thick as Trump except Trump himself? And Donald, Jr., yeah, and of course Eric, but aside from those three? Okay, Michael "Yeah, put my name on the papers for that Delaware corporation" Cohen, okay, him too and that makes four. But anyway this, this situation is still within bounds ....

Well, I was wrong to think Trump would never be elected, and I think I might have got this one wrong too. Me, the genius. What did that stupid thing I read the other day say? Was it that from age 40 on we lose 5% of our brain every decade ... or was that every year?

I think I might be in trouble. Move over boys, some of those tweets are beginning to make sense.
Come on Chuks - This not like you. You have been carrying the flag. Nil Desperandum. The fight is only half way done.

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Old 28th Mar 2019, 23:34
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WC, why do you bother to retort to stuff you haven't even read? Union leaders have to keep the boss happy, within reason. Here the CBP union is trying to keep Trump happy by parroting his lines, that's all. Where do you see corruption in that? This is politics.

You guys ... Trump rolls out people to use as stage props and you think that shows that suddenly all, but all members of Customs and Border Patrol are for the very same wall that their leaders had criticized just shortly beforehand.

Seriously, my dudes, you look like a whole pack of dogs all chasing that ball that Trump only pretended to throw! Where did you put your brains? Are they with the coat check girl at Club Trump for the next two years, or what? You should all do the good thing and become organ donors: spleens, kidneys, eyes, but especially the BRAINS. "Top condition; low mileage; hardly been used!"

Look, I don't really mind the lousy grammar and the lack of ability to spell common words; your prose still makes a welcome break from reading Trumptweets. It is the rampant idiocy that gets on my tits, though.

I used to tell myself to pop another Xanax and chill out. To take a big hit off the bong and get back in the hot tub for the next two years or whatever because anyway these guys are just pretending to do this Trump thing. It's just them winding up the liberals, faking the Trump trip, nothing more. Who could really be as thick as Trump except Trump himself? And Donald, Jr., yeah, and of course Eric, but aside from those three? Okay, Michael "Yeah, put my name on the papers for that Delaware corporation" Cohen, okay, him too and that makes four. But anyway this, this situation is still within bounds ....

Well, I was wrong to think Trump would never be elected, and I think I might have got this one wrong too. Me, the genius. What did that stupid thing I read the other day say? Was it that from age 40 on we lose 5% of our brain every decade ... or was that every year?

I think I might be in trouble. Move over boys, some of those tweets are beginning to make sense.
What a load of bull Chuks and you know it. You throw out some unfounded crap minus any evidence. Of your own admission itís weak.

You still havenít tried the other two, an Obama appointee who held the opinion before Trump won. And what of the rank and file agents who arent sitting in an easy chair thousands of miles away eating bratwursts, but rather are on the border doing the job?

You've lost this one. Might want to head over to the DNC website and pick up the latest talking points on the topic as youíre clearly unprepared.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 04:03
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How very Trumpian!

So, WC, you have declared victory all on your own.

Try and follow along here, please. Your basic argument is that the wall must be a good idea because all the CBP people are for it.

The notion that not all CBP people really can be for it is a pretty obvious one because of at least two things.

One thing is that this wall is not what Trump promises it is, as shown by his own words. He's selling it as some sort of impenetrable physical barrier, but doing that by telling believers in it that it will be "almost impossible" to climb. The clear sense of that combination is that it will be possible to climb the wall, since this one is binary: possible or impossible. (Almost impossible put simply means possible, just as slightly pregnant means pregnant.) That is just basic logic, as pointed out pre-Trump in that CBP union statement about how people will get over, under, or around any sort of barrier. You still will need people to watch the border, wall or no wall because you will have people getting past the wall.

The other thing is slightly complicated, since it means looking at how Trump tries to get his way. If you agree with whatever he proposes he will make his pretense that you and he are the best of friends. If you contradict him, even when he's talking absolute nonsense, perhaps contradicting what he just said, then he will get a hate on that is pure rage. In the case of the CBP it was obviously much safer to delete what they had said, perfectly sensible, obvious even, stuff about how a wall is not a panacea, and just play along. If Trump wants some CBP people as a stage props for some Oval Office dog and pony show, just go along. Trump clearly is that guy you want to have inside your tent pissing out rather than outside your tent pissing in.

WC, you have not bothered to engage with this contradiction between what CBP said then about the wall and what they now say. You are using North Korean logic here: The Great Leader says "I want wall!" when all minds swivel as one in the direction of "Wall! Must. Have. Wall. Wall suddenly great idea for absolute border control and we never said different!" Actually, I would bet what CBP would prefer for the most part is for the uncounted billions that this wall will cost to be spent on a combination of barriers, yes, but also more people and more high-tech tools that can catch people who cross the border illegally.

How, WC, do you account for the way that what CBP said then obviously contradicts what Trump says now and thus what CBP says now? You are ex-military, right? Do you meant to tell us that you never, ever stood there looking very respectful while some senior officer spouted absolute rubbish? I bet that you never let out a peep about how he had not a clue then. Anyone doing that obvious and sadly common act of military self-preservation makes himself corrupt, according to you? Your call sign really must have been Maverick, not Baldrick, then.

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