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Old 28th Feb 2019, 09:35
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So lemmegeddisstraight.... According to our republican pundits, Cohen did nothing but lie outrageously yesterday, EXCEPT when saying that he personnally saw no evidence of collusion between the campaign and russian operatives: on that subject he was uttering God‘s own truth, can you say AMEN!

yeaaahh.. I got this bridge I need to sell....
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 09:45
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Looks like Forrest Trump is gonna miss out on his Nobel Peace Prize this year, though if Cohen's testimony about Stormy is credible, he got away with the Noble Piece prize.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 10:58
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
Looks like Forrest Trump is gonna miss out on his Nobel Peace Prize this year, though if Cohen's testimony about Stormy is credible, he got away with the Noble Piece prize.
Forest Trump, love it!
Two fictional characters.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 13:56
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
I am probably one of a small number of people in the UK who spent at least an hour watching the Congressional interrogation of Cohen, courtesy of the BBC web site. I was at times impressed and at other times appalled by the whole circus. It didn't take me long to realise both sides were using Cohen to further their own particular agenda.
First congressional hearing, eh?
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 16:55
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Trump Owns This

From CNBC:

  • New government data show that Trump, too, has failed to reach the 3 percent promised land, according to one major metric.
Well Cheeto’s tax “cuts” have failed to increase the GDP over pre-tax cut levels. Big Surprise! The promised 4%+ growth was suppose to pay for the tax cuts to businesses and the top 1%. Now we have $1T+ deficits for absolutely nothing. Another one of Putin’s plans coming together. First he had his puppet destroy the US’s position as world leader and now set the economy on a path to collapse.

Well done Trumpets!
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 21:10
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Did I hear correctly - Some Democrat candidates and supporters want to pay reparations to descendants of slaves?
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Old 1st Mar 2019, 07:35
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Reparations for slavery? And why not? Reparations for sexual discrimination, too! (I am a lesbian trapped in a the body of a man, often mistaken for some sort of mocking, hetero, male chauvinist pig, when my suffering has to be worth something .... ) Then there is PTSD, since I am a Vietnam veteran. (The worst thing for me was the day the ice cream machine broke down in the Air Force canteen at Tan Son Nhut, but never mind that now, especially if there is some free government money in it.)

I think we can file reparations for slavery in the same bin as fighting for the preservation of statues honoring Confederate heroes, and for the right to fly the Confederate battle flag. (The numpties don't even know that it is not the "Confederate flag" as such that they want to fly.)

All these things are guaranteed vote-getters unlikely to draw wide support, so useful as litmus tests to show who is on the right or wrong side of issues various. If you mock to scorn the notion of reparations for slavery then you clearly are one of "them" instead of one of "us." Or else you are one of "us" rather than one of "them." You must know that this issue is the sort of thing that Trump loves, something likely to divide us rather than unite us, and to make his base stick to him wie Caca zu ein Handtuch.

Given that slavery in the USA has been legally abolished since late 1865 (not 1863: go look it up if you don't believe this) just how should we now, over 150 years later, track down exactly who owned the slaves; who had been enslaved, and under what conditions (there were "field slaves," and there were "house slaves," and there were even women who were only nominally slaves but actually mistresses, when Sally Hemmings comes to mind); and how much each and every slave, now long-deceased, should be compensated and how that should be done under conditions of absolute fairness.

Pardon my cynicism, but we have not even paid reparations of all of our citizens of Japanese descent who were put into camps during the Second World War. That group is much easier to identify, when some are still alive, plus they only number about 120,000. Most are still waiting for their money, since the agreed-upon reparations have not been fully funded, not by half.

Slaves, and the descendants of slaves? Millions, anyway, probably tens of millions, when we should not forget those slaves who were sent back to Africa, plus their descendants. Then we have black share-croppers, plus share-croppers in general: economic slaves, many of them. (Did you catch Elijah Cummings citing his descent from share-croppers during the hearing of Michael Cohen?)
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Old 1st Mar 2019, 14:42
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The reparations issue would present some interesting dilemmas:

Me, for instance, born in UK, nothing to do with slavery. Except that most of my ancestors worked as slaves in the cotton industry. But then, I'm white. Collective guilt. "Pay up."

How about Trevor Noah? Black Xhosa man from South Africa, works in USA. Raise his taxes to pay reparations. Logic? "Nah, just cut me my check."

All those Nigerians who've moved to USA to play football and pursue their scamming? We'll find something to blame them for.

Crazy idea. Likely will be popular with Dumocrats.
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Old 1st Mar 2019, 17:18
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No love lost between the Warmbiers and the Trump. Understandable. However, the Short Fat One is to be trusted. At least by the Tall Fat One.
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Old 1st Mar 2019, 22:45
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
No love lost between the Warmbiers and the Trump. Understandable. However, the Short Fat One is to be trusted. At least by the Tall Fat One.
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Actually Per, this is a great example of why Trump will never be a "leader" of any description. Even if the Short Fat One didn't know the operational details of the detention and torture of a Foreign National, as the head of state he is ultimately responsible for the outcome of that detention. Trump has made a career on "plausible deniability", whereby if he didn't know about it, he can't be charged with a crime. That might work in the Gambini family, but that is not how it works for democratic heads of state. You retain ultimate responsibility for the actions of your state and the state apparatus. If you didn't know it was going on you have either failed to communicate effectively or you have condoned corruption, either way fatso, it's on you.
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Old 1st Mar 2019, 23:25
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Highlight of Kim's tiny life is dueling with America. There is no way he would not have known about an American prisoner. There is no way he would not have used the prisoner, in some way, to further the Kim agenda. Same with SA boyking with all fingers in the fatal assault/assassination. More of similar with Putin.

He does like some nasty people and discards many friends. Just bizarre.
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Old 2nd Mar 2019, 07:41
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...dings-approved

Canada approves Huawei extradition, sparking ire from China

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Old 2nd Mar 2019, 09:27
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Frankly, I’m shocked by how this visiit Kim In Vietnam, Vietnam, the stage of war the US lost. Trump goes there, gets sat down in chairs lower than Kim’s. Bad optics. And the trump abruptly leaves, empty handed. Praises Kim. Accepts the excuse that Kim has no idea Otto was starved and tortured. No idea! I seriously doubt Kim did not know what was going on with an American prisoner, Otto goes home, brain dead and dying. wth.

trump got played.
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Old 2nd Mar 2019, 09:59
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Dea Certe, have a look at these images from Hanoi: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/27/p...nam/index.html

I don't see any there that show chairs of two different heights. In fact, I assume that their Vietnamese hosts would have been very careful about such details as that one for Trump-Kim meetings, so that the chairs would have to have been all the same. You might be mixed up by perspective, or the fact that although Trump claims to be 6' 3" tall he actually is only about 6' tall. And hung like a gerbil, too!

It is that or else that Trump is actually two not-very-bright small children inside one baggy Brioni suit, posing as one adult. This would explain the obvious trouble "Trump" has expressing himself, and reading from a prepared text, while sometimes referring to himself in the third person: a telling quirk.
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Old 2nd Mar 2019, 15:11
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Michael Cohen said, Trump is a racist, a cheat and a con man, an accurate description. Trump's racism dates back to his apartment days in Cincinnati and then NYC. He learned it from his father, Fred who was also a racist in his day. There is no doubt about Trump being a cheat, he cheated on his current wife while she was pregnant with their son to be. There is also no doubt of Trump being a con man. To be an exceptional con man, one has to be an exception liar which Trump is and demonstrates daily.

What was apparent in Vietnam and Trump's negotiations with Kim was Trump's DIY (do it yourself) approach to international deal making which failed miserably. It had nothing to do with the chair he sat in. Trump shouldn't have been there, period. Trump's oversized ego and Mensa attitude guaranteed failure. If Trump was really intelligent he would recognize nothing positive will happen regarding nuclear disarmament in North Korea without China's say so. China doesn't need a big beautiful Southern Wall, that is what North Korea serves as, they protect China's southern border.

The Otto Warmbier speech Trump gave in Vietnam, taking Kim off the hook for the murder of Otto demonstrates how Trump clings to being overly nice to terroristic dictators, the Putin love fest comes to mind, again. Trump's "misunderstanding claim" is his usual retort and his subsequent Tweets were probably written by Sarah Sanders, the best spin artist Trump has in the White House.

By the time Trump is out of office, you should be able to appreciate that Trump has never changed from his NYC Mafia connection days and his mentor lawyer, Roy Cohen who served several Mafia families at the same time. As with Nixon, there never was a new Nixon, same is true with Trump...
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Old 2nd Mar 2019, 17:49
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Original quote by The Sultan:
The promised 4%+ growth was suppose to pay for the tax cuts to businesses and the top 1%. Now we have $1T+ deficits for absolutely nothing.
Actually the promise Trump made was erroneous in the first place. A 4% growth could create a recession by 2020 and would probably set off a boom-bust cycle or cycles for the foreseeable future.

The $1 T is only the beginning of the deficits Trump is creating. It is really more like $5.6 T. Studying supply-side economics, it says lowering business taxes frees up funds to hire more workers. However, in reality it doesn't work when the maximum tax rate is below 50% according to the Laffer Curve. In Trumpian economics what it has done is to briefly accelerate employment recovery that started in 2012 while only adding to the debt. Then as Washington DC wrestles as to what to do about the debt, all sorts of uncertainties arise. Businesses will react by hoarding cash and hiring part-timers instead of full-time employees while not making necessary investments into the business. And Trump will exclaim to the faithful what a good job he alone has done to improve the American economy.
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Old 2nd Mar 2019, 22:09
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Chuks, there’s several photos of Kim Jong un and Trump sitting at this round table on cushioned chairs. Look a bit closer, Kim seat is higher.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/asse...xlarge-169.jpg
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Old 2nd Mar 2019, 22:28
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Reuters: An elderly white man wandered in to a stadium of white people this afternoon and appeared to have some kind of mental breakdown. While foaming at the mouth about another elderly white woman, with whom it appears he had some kind of argument over three years ago, the deranged geriatric also criticized the job performance of a number of people he himself had personally employed in that role. Unfortunately, medics were unable to restrain the man before he had caused damage to over 325 million citizens. The crowd appeared initially anxious at the display of mental fragility, but were soon seen to be relaxed drinking the readily available Kool Aid.

In unrelated news, another man will appear in front of Congress again later this week to testify about the antics of a con-man at a nearby retirement home on nearby Pennsylvania Avenue.
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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 00:55
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Let there be no doubt.... the 2020 campaign is in full swing, and Trump is holding Nan and the Dems by the ears!!

What a great stump speech! Two hours of great stuff!

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Old 3rd Mar 2019, 04:14
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Let there be no doubt.... the 2020 campaign is in full swing, and Trump is holding Nan and the Dems by the ears!!

What a great stump speech! Two hours of great stuff!
Trump does not give speeches, he delivers incoherent, nonsensical rants.

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