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Old 17th Feb 2019, 10:30
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So in yourmind, oinker, calling a group of people "dogs", which is code for a certain historical event, is just referencing reality.

Sometimes you lot just appall me.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 11:09
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she has learned a valuable lesson in politics, don’t criticize Israel for fear of being anti Semitic.
Well, isn't she anti-semitic along with most of her former failed country refugee persons.?
I'm quite sure she will be spouting forth more of her racist agenda as time goes by.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 11:44
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A fresh take on the Second Amendment .....

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...red-Right.html

The Second Amendment:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

According to this article in a law publication the reference to a "militia" was much different for the slave-holding states than for the other states. Too, the "State" in the Second Amendment was to each of the individual states, not to the United States as a whole, to the "states" rather than to the "State."

According to the facts set forth in the article the latest opinion from the Supreme Court, one that split the Second Amendment into two parts, the first one about a "well regualted militia" and the second about the "right to bear arms" must be incorrect, going by "originalism," what Justice Scalia supposedly went by when he wrote his opinion, one that carried by a 5:4 vote.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 15:29
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
So in yourmind, oinker, calling a group of people "dogs", which is code for a certain historical event, is just referencing reality.

Sometimes you lot just appall me.
Are you referring to Trump's habit of calling women dogs?
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 16:14
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“So in yourmind, oinker, calling a group of people "dogs", which is code for a certain historical event, is just referencing reality.”

Wow, you almost tripped up with your clever web of words there my friend.

Can you recall in my previous post where I supported such a sentiment? Anywhere.

More importantly, can you point to any speech by Rep Omar where she refers to Jews as dogs. Any?

In fact can you point to any comments made by Omar negatively referencing people of the Jewish faith at all?

She is being attacked for her comments highlighting the corrupt nature of big money employed by lobbyists to shape policy in Washington, in particular the power of the pro Israeli lobby AIPAC that spends a considerable amount of money lobbying politicians to ensure favorable outcomes for Israel.

And it works.

This is a no go in the USA (and the UK and to a lesser extent Australia) and anyone who dares criticize Israel will immediately be set upon with accusations of Anti Semitism.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 16:24
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I think you should have done a bit more research on the past writings and speeches by Omar. You will find them enlightenng.

Or maybe you won't.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 17:09
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“I think you should have done a bit more research on the past writings and speeches by Omar. You will find them enlightenng.”

I am reasonably conversant with Rep Omar’s opinions but again I urge you to please provide examples of her Anti Semitic views.

I mean real examples, not the faux Anti Semite nonsense whipped up by the frenzied commercial news media that constantly excels at blurring the lines between criticism of Israeli foreign policy and anti Semitism.

The BDS movement is a great example of how ANY negative commentary about Israel, its business practices or its foreign policy is immediately rebranded as Anti Semitism.





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Old 17th Feb 2019, 19:58
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A interesting tweet from whoever was holding the White House Twitter account PIN today.
Nothing funny about tired Saturday Night Live on Fake News NBC! Question is, how do the Networks get away with these total Republican hit jobs without retribution? Likewise for many other shows? Very unfair and should be looked into. This is the real Collusion!
4:52 AM - 17 Feb 2019

In unrelated news, the list of Nations where satire is banned and insulting the Head of State is a crime...

Saudi Arabia
Turkey
Bahrain
Azerbaijan
Kuwait
Iran
Lebanon
North Korea

We aspire to move in truly great company.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 22:31
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My oh my. Trump apparently about to declare German cars a threat to national security (!) in order to be able to put a 25 per cent tariff on them:

https://www.itwire.com/government-te...-sceurity.html

Not sure if that has been thought through. Most mid-sized German cars for the US market are produced in the US anyway (BMW's largest plant is actually not in Germany, but in South Carolina....), most small cars are produced in places like Mexico and imported from there to the US and are thus covered by NAFTA. So any significant would be on luxury cars which will be bought regardless of a 25 per cent price hike. Or are US millionaires going to buy a Chevy instead of a Porsche?
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 03:03
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BMW produces almost all of its SUVs in Spartanburg, SC. The best-selling models for the USA, however, are the 3- and 4-series cars, which are still made primarily in Germany.

Daimler-Benz (D-B, Mercedes, or Mercedes-Banz) manufactures most of its SUVs in Vance, AL, along with some of its C-class sedans. They also produce the Sprinter van at a new factory in North Charleston, SC. The rest of the vehicles for the USA are made primarily in Germany.

VW is still enmeshed in a huge diesel scandal in the States, with vast numbers of cars left parked there with no obvious solution for their disposal in sight. Tariffs are the least of their problems, I think.

VW manufactures some vehicles in Mexico. Neither BMW nor D-B do so.

NAFTA recently has been replaced with a different trade pact.

If this threatened tariff is put in place it will have a disastrous impact on both BMW and D-B, and probably lead to a trade war.

See if you can find the VW bus on American roads. Not the new ones, because of a previous trade war, the so-called chicken war. It led to high tariffs on the VW bus, among other vehicles. It forced M-B to do CKD assembly for the Sprinter, and Ford to import the little Transit (made in Turkey, I think) with seats that are promptly removed and windows that are taped over, right there at point of entry, to turn it back into what it really is meant to be, a small delivery van.

All of this was because of European refusal to allow American chicken to be imported, for food safety reasons, but also to protect European chicken producers.

Trump is stupid and clumsy enough to go for this 25% tariff, but are the Republicans still ready to go along with him if he tries it? Tune in next week for a fresh episode of "As the World Turns .... "

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Old 18th Feb 2019, 05:18
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Tune in next week for a fresh episode of "As the World Turns .... "
More like "As the stomach churns..."

Loved the send-up of the Trouser Trumpet on TV.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 06:45
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Ckuks, Is not the real threat that Mr. Trump perceives from the Germans to be their continued use of the genetive? Sure one can understand the reliance on the nominative, dative, and accusative as they are staples of so many languages but the contined employment of the genetive in their written and spoken word is perhaps just too much for a keen linguist like Donald to countenance.

What say the citizens of Caroline du Sud and Alabama about these tariffs? Counter intuitively, one would think that if their employment is endangered, the more they would cheer Trump on and bleat about Benghazi and email servers.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 06:52
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Btw, was that a comedy routine that Pence was trying to deliver in Munich? His mauldlin religiosity certainly had to be some type of schtick no?

I have been counseled not to give up my day job he, on the other hand, should give up his. He needs to find a new line of work other than fawing and craven sycophant.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 08:38
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There's something about Mike ....

When Pence was governor of Indiana he did not pardon a black man who had quite clearly been unfairly convicted and imprisoned. (He had already been released from a 40-year sentence, but as a convicted felon he still had a lot of trouble finding proper work.)

This was a failure to act that can reasonably be attributed to Pence's wish to become Vice President, when his political career in Indiana was pretty much over. Pardoning a black felon, even on perfectly reasonable grounds, could have been used to sully his hyper-religious and quite remarkably white image: https://www.thedailybeast.com/innoce...clear-his-name

Pence does not seem to have a lot going for him, aside from the way that he toadies to the religious right and to Donald Trump. I too watched a clip of his speech, when he did not seem to be aware that not all of his audience was Christian, while his brand of Christianity can be taken for posing hypocrisy in any case. Matthew 23:27 KJV could be applied to such as Pence, and also to Trump:

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

US politics has come under the influence of wealthy PACs backed by the religious right, when they expect their money, and their influence on their voters, to be repaid by the faithful parroting of their warped and bigoted views, often only Christian in name. Pence was clearly pushing some sort of "We Christians are united behind Donald Trump in all of this," message to a somewhat unreceptive European audience but also to a very receptive American audience.

Pence makes a smoother delivery of the pseudo-Christian message. Trump made a "Two Corinthians" howler, delivered in front of an audience of young Bible-punchers, to some snickers and laughter. (It is pronounced "Second Corinthians" even though is is listed as 2 Corinthians.) You would not catch Pence out in that way since I think he's well able to cite chapter and verse, certainly better than I can. On the other hand, does he practice real Christian charity and love towards his fellow man? How could he, and still follow Trump?

I used to work in the garage trade, particularly during the waning days of the British car and motorcycle industry. (I did the pre-delivery service on one of the very last Norton Commando Mk. III motorcycles sold in the USA, and on one of the last MGBs too. You can call me Jonah if you like.) I have seen the damage that politics can do to manufacturing, when Trump seems to have no idea of that at all with what he is proposing.

Have you noticed, Fred, that all these German-operated USA plants are in the South? German auto workers have protested against the way that American workers have had to go without union representation such as they enjoy. How is that for an unfunny joke?
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 10:15
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The joke that keeps on giving.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 13:28
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My oh my. Trump apparently about to declare German cars a threat to national security (!) in order to be able to put a 25 per cent tariff on them:
I wonder what Trump is going to do with the limos he hauls his rich and famous friends back and forth from the airports to his Bedminster, New Jersey private golf club? The limos aren't American or Japanese or English or Italian or French or Russian or Swedish manufactured. So what could be possibly left to choose from? German! Mercedes Benz to be exact. Trump is such a fake!

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Old 18th Feb 2019, 13:57
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Pence does not seem to have a lot going for him
That is an understatement, Pence has nothing going for him. That is why Trump chose him for his VP. After Pence's dismal first term in office as governor of Indiana, the handwriting was on the wall in capital letters that he was washed up as a politician, that is until Trump rescued him from political oblivion. He posed no threat to Trump and he would be a loyal puppet to the end. Trump, like the Mafia Dons he associated with, seeks full loyalty. I am hoping that there will be no Trump impeachment attempts made, otherwise, if successful, Pence becomes POTUS, an awful thought. The energy of the Democrats now and in the upcoming 2020 presidential election campaign should be totally spent on defeating Trump and Pence automatically goes away.
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Old 18th Feb 2019, 15:07
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"All of this was because of European refusal to allow American chicken to be imported, for food safety reasons, but also to protect European chicken producers."

I suppose, post-Brexit, that they could always sell it to the British?

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Old 18th Feb 2019, 16:27
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There is more to it than just chemtrails!









If Brexit does come to pass we stand ready to supply chooks, one by one, to our British cousins. That would be by use of the famous chicken gun (see above) at our end, and a rather large net, perhaps on Salisbury Plain, at the Blighty end.

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Old 18th Feb 2019, 20:46
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According to Meadowrun:
“Well, isn't she anti-semitic”
Oic has posted the question about what constitutes Anti Semitism and Omar has said nothing even close.
And no one here has been able to post an example in support of these accusations.
She is being hung drawn and quartered for merely pointing out the massive lobbying power AIPAC has in the US political system.
It’s nothing new though; Thomas Friedman made almost precisely the same implication back in 2011 of Netanyahu’s speech to congress:
“I sure hope that Israel’s Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, understands that the ovation he got in congress this year was not for his politics. That ovation was bought and paid for by the Israel lobby.”
I wonder why Friedman can make such a comment without being accused of anti-semitism but Omar cannot.









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