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Old 7th Feb 2019, 21:09
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I see your dithering on about speech writers. Funny you don't want to touch on the issues dems are having in Virginia. That should rate higher than figuring out who wrote a speech.

ps, I intentionally misspelled your.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 22:10
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I am sure that you did, but ....

West Coast, I think you mean "wittering on." One dithers about something, meaning that you carry on about something without really making up your mind which position to take on it.

Which matters more, Trump's speech, a major policy address, or the seeming fact that all three top officials in Virginia have been caught out in various ways? (What made me laugh was someone saying with grrreat piety that "Racism has no place in Virginia." You could have fooled me!)

P.S. If you want to use one, West Coast, that is how you write it, not as "ps," The problem with a P.S. is that it literally is a postscript, something that comes afterwards, so that it goes below the signature in a letter. Like this, if this were a letter:

7 February 2019
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Dear West Coast,

Stop me if you have heard this one: "Marines in combat: One shooting, one looting, and two taking pictures."

Love,
/s/ chuks
chuks

P.S. Do you know why Marines are like bananas?
c.

How are you going to make that work in a post, or an e-mail? There's no signature to put the P.S. below. Nobody has figured that one out yet.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 22:30
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
But America is not meddling in the affairs of Venezuela, correct Lonewolf? Your oil mates know whats going on right?
I said that they don't need to, as the Venezuelan government/power elite have done by their own stupidity what would have been otherwise difficult to orchestrate from without.
Whether or not anyone in Foggy Bottom thinks they need to meddle is another matter. The bleeding heart liberals in our left never stop bellowing about "someone must do something" when something bad happens. Sometimes, our politicians respond to that, witness the buggery that was Somalia, early 1990's.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-v...-idUSKBN1DX0V8Venezuela Maduro gains control over oil contracts amid purge Alexandra Ulmer, Deisy Buitrago

CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuela’s President Nicolas Maduro on Sunday gained more powers over the OPEC member’s oil contracts, as a deepening purge looks set to strengthen the leftist leader’s control of the key energy sector amid a debilitating recession.
Most of my oil mates have described the exodus of brains and talent out of Venezuela in considerable detail for the past five years. The slow but sure brain drain is purely the fault of the Venezuelan government, and continues to degrade their ability to make their nationalized oil industry productive. Suggest you look up the term "Eating Their Seed Corn" and then think about what that means.
Self Inflicted wound.
To deny that they did this requires looking at the world through a cardboard toilet paper tube with the trite, even cliche, "all problems in the world are America's fault" - attitude that you have displayed on this board for some years. Suggest you take a peak at when BP finally let go of their stake in Venezuela. (My cousin used to do the occasional business trip there back in the 90's, before BP got tired of the political climate). The money for maintenance of the plant and property, and for new well development, was not invested. Business 101: you have to return some of the revenue back into your business to keep plant, property, and talent healthy - state run or not - or it will not thrive.

(The Saudis have an ongoing problem along similar lines that their royal family have spent significant time, money, and effort at mitigating over the past few decades, and likewise are working to diversify their economy. You see similar efforts in some other oil producing nations).

Originally Posted by The Guardian Article in the Link, circa 2010
Rafael Ramirez, Venezuelan oil minister, said: "They consulted us, asked if we had a problem and we said no. Of course we have to see and to review what they present us with." The assets – minority stakes in two joint exploration and production ventures with PDVSA, the state oil company, along with an interest in heavy oil – are estimated to be valued at up to $1bn and represent a minor but difficult part of the break-up programme. Foreign oil companies are unwelcome in a country where president Hugo Chavez has taken control of key parts of the economy. PDVSA is seen as the most likely buyer of BP's holdings but some analysts feel TNK-BP may be acceptable. The one-time stormy Anglo-Russian joint venture in which BP has a 50pc stake is said to be interested in buying BP assets in Vietnam, Venezuela and Algeria. Relations between the sides have improved since Bob Dudley, former TNK-BP boss, was kicked out of Russia and any asset deals are seen as helping both sides.
Just ran into another Venezuelan expat at church this weekend. Guess where he works now? Citgo, USA. Guess who controls Citgo? PDVSA
Guess where he worked for a dozen years before emigrating here?
Back home in Venezuela. (Chemical Engineer)
His view of Venezuela and yours do not match. In fact, his view is very close to what I have learned over the past decade.
Please feel free to keep your own head deeply up your own sphincter for as long as that gives you pleasure. (It will certainly allow you to keep talking out your backside).
As they say these days: you do you.

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Old 7th Feb 2019, 22:32
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Thread backtracking here regarding etymology but was the word folderol the origin of the word federal?
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 22:50
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Originally Posted by hiflymk3 View Post
Thread backtracking here regarding etymology but was the word folderol the origin of the word federal?
No. Folderol's first usage was around 1820 and was applied to nonsense verses in songs. OED says it began earlier, in the 18th century. OED makes no reference to federal in that citation.
Federal goes back further. Begin at Federalism, and then to federal ...
federal (adj.)
1640s, as a theological term (in reference to "covenants" between God and man), from French fédéral, an adjective formed from Latin foedus (genitive foederis) "covenant, league, treaty, alliance," from PIE *bhoid-es-, suffixed form of root *bheidh- "to trust, confide, persuade."

Secular meaning "pertaining to a covenant or treaty" (1650s) led to political sense of "formed by agreement among independent states" (1707), from use of the word in federal union "union based on a treaty" (popularized during formation of U.S.A. 1776-1787) and like phrases. Also from this period in U.S. history comes the sense "favoring the central government" (1788) and the especial use of the word (as opposed to confederate) to mean a state in which the federal authority is independent of the component parts within its legitimate sphere of action. Used from 1861 in reference to the Northern forces in the American Civil War.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 00:25
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Now it appears the Democratic Governor of North Carolina is the latest to claim ignorance about black face. Worse even, days ago he called on the fine gentleman from Virginia to resign. Racist and a hypocrite, Dems are heading back to their roots.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 02:07
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Presidential speech writer is not exactly a high viz position
What has that got to do with it?
Prez does not say: "You, speech writer - give me a SotU speech by Wednesday.
It's a joint effort - Prez and trusted advisors supply ideas and the writer(s) and all craft it into a worthy speech, ......... in the normal world.
Prez approves final version. He owns it and the delivery.

Winston was able to write his own to some good effect.

Dems are heading back to their roots
Kind of a broad brush.

What then are the Reps roots?
Hint: There are assholes all over.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 04:28
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Kind of a broad brush.

What then are the Reps roots?
Hint: There are assholes all over.
Case in point: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...arbook-1157490

Maybe WC will accept his statement, as a fellow conservative - which equally applies to N.C. Gov. Cooper.

"Norment later released a statement condemning blackface and arguing that as a member of a staff, he could not be solely associated with every quote and photo in the yearbook. Norment said he didn‘t take or participate in any of the offending photos and endorsed the integration of VMI at the time."

Cooper does not appear in any of the troublesome pictures in his yearbook. Nor did he belong to the frat that used them. Nor were they on his pages. But WC is happy to "associate" Copper with everything in his yearbook - how about Norment?

It was - enlightening - to google up WC's story and see what he's been reading and where it "appeared." Needed to take a shower afterwards, though. The Daily Mail (barred as a reliable surce by Wikipedia), The RhinoTimes (defunct newspaper, now just a page written by conservative science-fiction writers and conspiracy theorists), a blog by Liberty University grads. The tank under the outhouse, more or less.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 05:38
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Some sources are more authoritative than others ....

I once was struck by the sight of the print edition of the Oxford English Dictionary in a professor's office bookshelves. I took that for some sort of symbol of deep devotion to learning more than a real, practical reference source, though. Later I was given this same print edition for my 70th birthday, so that now it has pride of place in a bookshelf-cabinet combination that serves as a partial divider between the dining area and the rest of the living room here at home. Even so, when I wanted to look up the proper spelling of folderol, after Uncle Fred tasked me with spelling it incorrectly, I just Googled it. The first thing that came up was this Merriam-Webster reference stating that the proper spelling was so: folderol. "One for me," or so I thought.

When Uncle Fred came up with a rather different opinion from the OED I felt betrayed, so that I went for Volume V, Dvandva - Follis and looked up folderol, when this book, my book, the Gospel, simply re-directed me to falderal. My scream of pain then sent little flakes of paint drifting down from the living room ceiling.

Merriam-Webster was wrong, and so was I! How could this be? Well, there are two different languages: British English, and American English, or so it would seem. Merriam-Webster is American, very American, while the OED is proudly British. I think we have to accept that the print edition of the OED is more authoritative than some online edition of Merriam-Webster.

That was just a quibble about the spelling of an archaic word meaning "nonsense," though; going to that much trouble to nail down its proper spelling is just having a bit of fun. How about this other word, "wall," a word that we do not seem to be able to get the true meaning of from Trump and his gang? How much does its meaning really matter? It matters enough to shut down the US government for the longest time ever, costing the US economy something like $6 billion: that much!

Reasonable people seem to want to take the meaning of "wall" to be metaphorical, standing for "border security." Sometimes Trump agrees with that, but at other times he snaps back to what he had been ranting about as a candidate, the word "wall" meaning just that, a really big (and very expensive, with "Mexico will pay!" now left off) ferro-concrete wall running along most of our southern border. As badly as Trump wants it, perhaps even needs it merely to keep his base happy with him, it looks as if he is not getting that actual, literal wall.

Border security has always been on offer from Trump's political opponents, his own rhetoric aside, but where he once could have got $25 billion to squander on starting to build the literal wall, now he's looking at getting nothing for it. That amount would not have been enough to finish building the wall but it would have been enough for the Donald to tell his base that he was making good on that damn-fool promise to them, the one that they were foolish enough to vote for, so that they need to vote him in for another four years to finish the job of walling America off from the Americas.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 06:45
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Then there are those British versus American English differences that can cause real confusion. I think of those times in a British/American meeting when the Yanks move to table an agenda item. The British say "crack on" and wait expectantly for discussion to commence...except that it does not and the group is on to the next item. Has happened more than once I imagine.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 09:57
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New to Nigeria, I had a Brit ask of my David Clark headset, "How do you find it?"

I told him that I put it up on top of that filing cabinet in a corner of the crew room. That way, every morning, there it was .... It took us a little while to figure out the source of the misunderstanding.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 09:59
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Trump...

Since the founding of our nation,” Trump said, “many of our greatest strides, from gaining our independence to abolition of civil rights, to extending the vote for women, have been led by people of faith and started in prayer.
....finally telling the truth...

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Old 8th Feb 2019, 11:44
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Lonewolf 50, thank you for the information. I was only having a bit of fun with the words folderol and federal as they sound similar. Some might say that certain federal agencies are folderol.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 12:56
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Aww.....bless you guys....xoxo

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Old 8th Feb 2019, 13:49
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
Case in point: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...arbook-1157490

Maybe WC will accept his statement, as a fellow conservative - which equally applies to N.C. Gov. Cooper.

"Norment later released a statement condemning blackface and arguing that as a member of a staff, he could not be solely associated with every quote and photo in the yearbook. Norment said he didn‘t take or participate in any of the offending photos and endorsed the integration of VMI at the time."

Cooper does not appear in any of the troublesome pictures in his yearbook. Nor did he belong to the frat that used them. Nor were they on his pages. But WC is happy to "associate" Copper with everything in his yearbook - how about Norment?

It was - enlightening - to google up WC's story and see what he's been reading and where it "appeared." Needed to take a shower afterwards, though. The Daily Mail (barred as a reliable surce by Wikipedia), The RhinoTimes (defunct newspaper, now just a page written by conservative science-fiction writers and conspiracy theorists), a blog by Liberty University grads. The tank under the outhouse, more or less.
Without doubt there are some assholes on the right side to include the current resident of the WH. In the current state of affairs I however tire of listening to dems claiming some sort of highground.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 14:05
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Does Pop Corn make you fat??

....Because I've consumed so much reading this thread....

This was pricelss funny....I don't care who you think you are.....chuks, I tips my hat to you..
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West Coast, I think you mean "wittering on." One dithers about something, meaning that you carry on about something without really making up your mind which position to take on it.

Which matters more, Trump's speech, a major policy address, or the seeming fact that all three top officials in Virginia have been caught out in various ways? (What made me laugh was someone saying with grrreat piety that "Racism has no place in Virginia." You could have fooled me!)

P.S. If you want to use one, West Coast, that is how you write it, not as "ps," The problem with a P.S. is that it literally is a postscript, something that comes afterwards, so that it goes below the signature in a letter. Like this, if this were a letter:

7 February 2019
Schloss Chuks
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Dear West Coast,

Stop me if you have heard this one: "Marines in combat: One shooting, one looting, and two taking pictures."

Love,
/s/ chuks
chuks

P.S. Do you know why Marines are like bananas?
c.

How are you going to make that work in a post, or an e-mail? There's no signature to put the P.S. below. Nobody has figured that one out yet.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 14:12
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Funniest thing here is all that are saying,,,"I didn't vote / supprt Trump....but I like what he is doing"

Keep it coming it's hilarious!

Maybe chuck in some guns and innocent bystanders lives for added impact.....love you guys....really do....standing on the outside looking in....well thank goodness we do not live in the US!!....but fabulous comedic value! Keep it coming...it really is entertainment!,,,thanks All!
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Is this what you are trying to say?

Epitaph on a Tyrant
W. H. Auden



Perfection, of a kind, was what he was after,
And the poetry he invented was easy to understand;
He knew human folly like the back of his hand,
And was greatly interested in armies and fleets;
When he laughed, respectable senators burst with laughter,
And when he cried the little children died in the streets.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 14:55
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Originally Posted by Fliegenmong View Post
Funniest thing here is all that are saying,,,"I didn't vote / supprt Trump....but I like what he is doing"

Keep it coming it's hilarious!
Are you that detached from the reality or just simply that polarized that you have to vote for someone before you can support some of the things they do? I didn’t vote for Obama yet I like some of the things he did.
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Fliegs, you apparently have no memory beyond how you feel on a given day. Are you forgetting the odious candidate that I was supposed to vote for if I didn't vote for Trump? You can thank me now that she is not in the WH today.

I don't "like" Trump. I don't feel a need to "like" any politician. I did vote for him, and the positive aspects of that vote are all around us. As others say, though, you and yours persist in looking for bits of coal when surrounded by diamonds. If you don't like the man, just say that. But your denial of the positive things he is doing simply negates your viewpoint.

He gave the best speech of his term this week -- and all the opposition can come up with is "there, I gave him a backwards clap -- that'll show him".

Meanwhile the constant drumbeat of "Racism" has collapsed onto the Democrat Party, where it has always been a critical part of their being.
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