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Old 1st Feb 2019, 21:54
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In addition to flying, I also do project work on whatever the boss directs, sit/call in to my fair share of meetings. Trying to imagine Chuks in a business meeting, they’d run for hours as loads of non relevant material would be covered. “New FMS load deadline? well let me tell you about a story from Vietnam or the time I uncovered a Walt”






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Old 1st Feb 2019, 22:14
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The Wretched of the Earth (Let's have a show of hands: how many here have read it?)

I have, and in the original (1961, Les Damnés de la Terre), but not recently.

Passionately written, perceptive in some ways and dead-wrong in others, his Marxist repetitions, his endless sentences, and an arcane & laborious style make it a tough read for any but the most committed, or chronic insomniacs. Only real hard-core revolutionaries will have got past chapter 3.
And the ensuing 50 years of decolonisation have not been kind to many of his core beliefs.

I found Gravity's Rainbow ("transgressive, regressive and digressive") almost equally difficult , but a great deal more rewarding (and yes, I did finish it).
But then I like Bellow, Mailer, Cheever, Nabokov and Irving too, so perhaps I am in a minority...[does anyone still read them or are they too intent on their cellphones?].

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Old 1st Feb 2019, 22:50
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
In addition to flying, I also do project work on whatever the boss directs, sit/call in to my fair share of meetings. Trying to imagine Chuks in a business meeting, they’d run for hours as loads of non relevant material would be covered. “New FMS load deadline? well let me tell you about a story from Vietnam or the time I uncovered a Walt”


Oooh - no content, just an ad-hom attack. Par for the course for a trumpette, I suppose.

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Oooh - no content, just an ad-hom attack. Par for the course for a trumpette, I suppose.

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Here's a real Trumpette spitting rice...not like these half-assed hangers-on in here...

Conservative pundit Ann Coulter called President Trump “lazy and incompetent,” and said he could potentially face a Republican primary challenger in 2020 if he doesn’t build a wall along the southern border. “We put this lunatic in the White House for one reason,” Coulter told Yahoo News. “He doesn’t need to declare an emergency.” Coulter went on to claim how the president could use his powers to make the Department of Defense and Homeland Security build the wall without congressional approval. “I think [Trump is] finally going to pull that pocket Constitution out of his lapel pocket and [say], ‘Oh my gosh, I’m the president. This is great.’” When asked who she could see challenging Trump in 2020, Coulter said a “terrific” candidate would be Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL)—who recently claimed Democrats would have “American blood” on their hands if they blocked the wall from being built. Coulter wouldn’t say if she has recently spoken to the president, but did tell Yahoo News that Trump was still “reading” her. “I can tell. … Well, somebody’s reading me. They’re all reading me over there,” she said.
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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 01:15
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Try to find a Vietnam War Memorial in Washington, D.C. (Spoiler alert: There isn't one.) That famous black wall is the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, memorializing our veterans, of course, but not the war as such
A museum is currently under construction, underground, two story, 37,000 square feet, $115 million, ground broken November 2012, due for opening 2020. Some years ago they asked for details/photo of my brother who was KIA, as they have for all Oz KIA, which will be on display.
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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 01:27
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Fred, I can tell you from experience that e-verify is indeed in effect for lower level workers too. Farmers are required to get the prospective worker's papers, and check them through the system. But, it may be a surprise to you to find that many of the field workers, seeing as how they are illegal immigrants, have FAKE papers, which can be bought easily for about $25. The employer has no way to know if these papers are forged or not. To me it looks suspicious when half the group is named Jose Garcia, but if you question that you are a racist these days.

Having said that, I don;t really see what is so hard about passing out an id card to migrant workers as they enter legally, as we cannot harvest our crops in this country without them. Not at a price we cheapskates are willing to pay for a head of lettuce. Who cares if they are all Jose Garcia.
Thank you OB. You raise a good point about the crops that need tending and harvesting. I don't envy you trying ( and I speak of you in the general as a nation) to find the solution. In my not infrequent lapses into naivete, I envision that there must be a balance point that can be found that is fair, humane, and respectful of national borders. A tough nut to crack to be sure.

@ Mac

I don't think it is so much that the newer generations are glued to their phones instead of taking up some of the classical and rigorous authors, but rather it is that many of those chaps went on and on and on. I delight in a good two-hour podcast in which the moderator can get into great detail but does not need 900 pages in print to do so. Younger folk realize they have options and one of those is the exceutive summary. I do appreciate though the merits of plugging through some texts. Particulary true when it comes to the beauty of various passages. They just can't be rendered in summary form.

How many of those works were you on page 87 before the author got down to business? Or, as bad, made a few points and then spent a few hundred pages regashing those thoughts? Prolix is thy name!

Then you have, among some of the French authors that I needle my wife about, the French academy; admitting that something works in practice but struggling to see if it works in theory.
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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 01:29
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West Coast,
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-survey-finds/

I’m sure within a matter of seconds you’ll find a reason to dismiss that border patrol folks (you know, the ones who actually stand watch on the border) overwhelmingly belief the wall should be built.
It is interesting you don't believe a good portion of Mike Vigil's career fighting the border drug scene in the US and in Mexico. But hey, that is, I guess, just bull shit to avid Trump wall supporters. The Washington Times is one of the few news sites that doesn't permit people to see their biased news that use an ad blocker. I happen to use an ad blocker to prevent malware from invading my computer which has happened in the past. As such, I see nothing to dismiss but I am sure it is very akin to your way of thinking. Sad to see drugs still flow nearly freely through the San Diego border crossing entry points in trucks, buses and cars with all the emphasis on Trump's wall and the existing border wall in the San Diego area. Maybe your infamous Congressman can help provide more funding for human resources and new technology to stop this flow, e.g., it's cheaper than Trump's $5,7 billion 3rd century pie in the sky plan promised to you and his other core supporters. Nobody really believes you didn't vote for Trump and/or won't vote for him next year, so you can stop rewinding and playing your canned denial speech... BTW, your self created childish business meeting scenario was really LOLs! Stick to flying, avoid business meetings, call in sick, cough, cough, I'm running a temperature, etc...

P.S. The biggest border entry problem today is drugs unless your thinking is flawed like Trump's...
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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 02:07
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That memorial in Washington is mostly underground, so why not an underground Vietnam War museum too?

If you like architecture from the school of Albert Speer then the new-ish (15 years old) World War II memorial is a must-see. Big, bronze wreaths on big granite pillars, 56 of them! One glance at that monster and the first thing that comes to mind is "victory over fascism," or perhaps not ....

Mac, have you read V? It's much better than Gravity's Rainbow, I think, and The Crying of Lot 49 must be somewhere between the two. Another book I like is The Man in the HIgh Castle.

For today, we have The Plot Against America, featuring as it does a President who is under pressure from a foreign ruler. Total fiction, of course; it can't happen here. Well, there, I suppose; it can't happen there, so that it's totally wrong to be wondering why Trump is behaving as he does towards V. Putin.
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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 03:10
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Trump is on a mission from God

I enjoy the one comment that mentions Christian scholarship from St. Augustine to Thomas Aquinas to Sarah Sanders. Quite a progression.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.42216bcb17fa

The ALB seems to have a keen insight into the ways of the Maker.
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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 03:47
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
West Coast,

It is interesting you don't believe a good portion of Mike Vigil's career fighting the border drug scene in the US and in Mexico. But hey, that is, I guess, just bull shit to avid Trump wall supporters. The Washington Times is one of the few news sites that doesn't permit people to see their biased news that use an ad blocker. I happen to use an ad blocker to prevent malware from invading my computer which has happened in the past. As such, I see nothing to dismiss but I am sure it is very akin to your way of thinking. Sad to see drugs still flow nearly freely through the San Diego border crossing entry points in trucks, buses and cars with all the emphasis on Trump's wall and the existing border wall in the San Diego area. Maybe your infamous Congressman can help provide more funding for human resources and new technology to stop this flow, e.g., it's cheaper than Trump's $5,7 billion 3rd century pie in the sky plan promised to you and his other core supporters. Nobody really believes you didn't vote for Trump and/or won't vote for him next year, so you can stop rewinding and playing your canned denial speech... BTW, your self created childish business meeting scenario was really LOLs! Stick to flying, avoid business meetings, call in sick, cough, cough, I'm running a temperature, etc...

P.S. The biggest border entry problem today is drugs unless your thinking is flawed like Trump's...
You ackward attempt avoided my point. The vast majority of the border patrol agents and the association representing them and the head of the border patrol Carla Provost all want the wall. Politics is the only reason you side with a lone DEA agent (whose job isn’t the same as the border patrol) over the service charged with guarding the border.

The rank and file of the border patrol, their union and their management are all speaking with one voice, build it. Appears it’s a language you don’t understand however. I respect the DEA agent has an opinion, don’t lose sight he’s one individual and that his peers say he’s wrong. You run with it however.

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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 06:16
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Alternatively a 'Wall' (whatever form that may take, but in my minds eye it is a solid concrete or brick construction, not a fence type of thing)....alternatively it could actually impede egress from the United States!...that is something no one talks about!

I try to avoid being treated as a criminal....so I (and others I know) go to some lengths to avoid the US whenever possible...regrettably sometimes it cannot be avoided...just think of people like me trying to get out of the US as fast as possible.

Tunnels huh?....who would have thunk it?.... Tunnels were in Vietnam no?....YES!!...I've been in them....has anyone ever perhaps mentioned the idea (in passing) to the President?.....tunnels?...
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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 08:03
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You know this how?

"The vast majority of the border patrol agents ... want the wall." That is an interesting statement, WC. I was unaware of any survey that has been taken on this matter. In fact, it has the ring of one of those Trumpfarts: "Many people are saying .... " Something like that.


It's a good thing I bailed on the Church. (Read too many books and went for agnosticism .... ) Otherwise I would be going against the will of God to oppose Donald Trump and his Great Wall.


When it comes to walls, I have set foot upon the really Great Wall. It is beyond the dreams of the Donald, even, when it comes to yugeness, but did it work? Nope. I have also visited Hadrian's Wall, some of what is left of it, and the later Antonine Wall too. All of them were failures, but, hey, that is just history, and "History is bunk," right?


My excuses to God and to Donald too, but there seem to be too many failures of basic logic in what is being put forth about the Great Wall of Trump to be 100% behind it. Even Donald Trump himself is not 100% behind it. Otherwise, why did he end the shut-down?


Even if Mexico were paying for it there are some severe environmental consequences to erecting a physical barrier across the entire southern border. I understand that just a few of those boring old tree-huggers have been wittering on about that, but that is still so. Then there is the matter of property rights to consider. I wonder how WC would feel about someone taking his little plot to build a wall on, for some half-thought-out scheme.


Here is one take on just how complicated building this wall would be: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...all-180962072/
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Walls on this scale are primitive and archaic. Didn't work for Chin or Hadrian or Honecker and really do mess up the landscape.

How about a big scenic Moat?
No, wait....enlarge the moat to a canal. Bulld it with hired Mexican labour ($$$ into Mexican economy) from their side - join it up with the Rio Grande.
Presto, you've got a cost effective barrier, Panama Canal backup/replacement and a trump distractor, especially if it's filled with robo-sharknados.
The Erie Canal (363 miles) only took 8 years with picks and shovels.
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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 10:53
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Yeah....but if I want to flee the US..a walll is going to get in my way!!....I am a civilised person from a civilised country..........as a first world inhabitant....surley I must be able to escape the confines of the US as fast as I can!!
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,,,way too much time I have spent in the 'US'....there are so many better places to be,,,the US is 'lovely'...certainly.....but there are soooo very many many better places to be...
.....unless of course you are an American...and you are blind to what else there is....
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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 15:07
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
"The vast majority of the border patrol agents ... want the wall." That is an interesting statement, WC. I was unaware of any survey that has been taken on this matter. In fact, it has the ring of one of those Trumpfarts: "Many people are saying .... " Something like that.


It's a good thing I bailed on the Church. (Read too many books and went for agnosticism .... ) Otherwise I would be going against the will of God to oppose Donald Trump and his Great Wall.


When it comes to walls, I have set foot upon the really Great Wall. It is beyond the dreams of the Donald, even, when it comes to yugeness, but did it work? Nope. I have also visited Hadrian's Wall, some of what is left of it, and the later Antonine Wall too. All of them were failures, but, hey, that is just history, and "History is bunk," right?


My excuses to God and to Donald too, but there seem to be too many failures of basic logic in what is being put forth about the Great Wall of Trump to be 100% behind it. Even Donald Trump himself is not 100% behind it. Otherwise, why did he end the shut-down?


Even if Mexico were paying for it there are some severe environmental consequences to erecting a physical barrier across the entire southern border. I understand that just a few of those boring old tree-huggers have been wittering on about that, but that is still so. Then there is the matter of property rights to consider. I wonder how WC would feel about someone taking his little plot to build a wall on, for some half-thought-out scheme.


Here is one take on just how complicated building this wall would be: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...all-180962072/
Chuks, you of course are free to verify the statements I made. You might find it enlightening to view outside the prism of politics what the folks charged with guarding the border think.

As to my my property being acquired through eminent domain, quite acceptable. The long term plan is to leave and move to Arizona, the government taking the land saves me many thousands in realtor fees.
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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 15:30
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...4Ee?li=BBnbfcL

Top Schumer Aide Was Pushed Out After Alleged Inappropriate Sexual Encounters With Staff Were Revealed



............... and her phone number is .....
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Old 2nd Feb 2019, 16:34
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As to my my property being acquired through eminent domain, quite acceptable.

For you perhaps, for others not. Your egocentricity rivals DJT's.

The long term plan is to leave and move to Arizona

Do you think they'll have you?

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Original Posting by West Coast:
You ackward attempt avoided my point. The vast majority of the border patrol agents and the association representing them and the head of the border patrol Carla Provost all want the wall. Politics is the only reason you side with a lone DEA agent (whose job isn’t the same as the border patrol) over the service charged with guarding the border.

The rank and file of the border patrol, their union and their management are all speaking with one voice, build it. Appears it’s a language you don’t understand however. I respect the DEA agent has an opinion, don’t lose sight he’s one individual and that his peers say he’s wrong. You run with it however.
First, let's correct your misspelled word, ackward. It is spelled awkward.

Now let’s bring some corrections and clarifications to the balance of your point. One article in the Washington Times isn’t the say all-end all to a simple political issue perhaps instigated before but certainly by Trump during his 2016 Campaign.

In early January 2019, Trump called a press conference (not a real press conference) with Brandon Judd, Art Del Cueto and Hector Garza, leaders of the NBPC, the union representing Border Patrol agents. Their message was it was OK with them to shutdown’t the government for however long it takes to get Trump’s funding for a border wall, even if their membership doesn’t get paid, a politically supportive message for Trump. Two things smell and a red flag went up.

First, it’s hard to believe a union would actually advocate for their members to work without pay and second, advocating a wall over human members they represent. Now keep in mind the $5.7 billion Trump demands is a 25% downpayment on his ultimate goal for a total wall, e.g., $22.8 billion for a beautiful southern border wall. So why does it smell and why the red flag?

Brandon Judd and the NBPC leadership endorsed Trump in March 2016, before he’d even won the Republican nomination for president. Trump bragged about their endorsement incessantly in the last six weeks of the campaign. When Trump’s ideas didn’t exactly mesh with the NBPC, the union leaders graciously provided corrections to Trump.

In a meeting in 2018 just before Thanksgiving in the White House, Judd supported Trump on the use of military force at the border over the objections of Kirstjen Nielsen and John Kelly. It is also true that the three union leaders receive annually $140,000 from union dues to split among themselves, a nice cushion the membership doesn’t enjoy, being paid or not paid. Throughout 2018, the Union’s web site said this about a southern border wall:
The NBPC disagrees with wasting taxpayer money on building fences and walls along the border as a means of curtailing illegal entries into the United States. However, as long as we continue to operate under the current NBPS and ignore the problem that is causing illegal immigration, we realize fences and walls are essential.
  • Walls and fences are temporary solutions that focus on the symptom (illegal immigration) rather than the problem (employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens).
  • Walls and fences are only a speed bump. People who want to come to the United States to obtain employment will continue to go over, under, and around the walls and fences that are constructed.
  • Walls and fences will undoubtedly result in an increase in fraudulent documents and smuggling through the Ports of Entry.
  • Walls and fences do not solve the issue of people entering the country legally and staying beyond the date they are required to leave the country, a problem which will undoubtedly increase as more walls and fences are constructed.
  • The NBPC position regarding walls and fences is not due to a concern of losing our jobs if fences and walls are built. On the contrary, the NBPC realizes that walls and fences require just as much manpower to protect them. Border Patrol Agents witness what happens to walls and fences when there are not enough Border Patrol agents to protect them.
Magically this message was taken down by the union leaders when the government shutdown talk got hot and heavy. When asked about it Judd responded that it was an old message provided by the previous union leadership. When asked if he (Judd) recommended a border wall to Trump prior to his candidacy, Judd replied he didn’t know.

Now to your survey: Judd talks as though his membership is unified behind a border wall, touting the union survey. As The Washington Times reported:
The NBPC’s survey, of more than 600 agents in two of the Border Patrol’s busiest sectors, found … 89 percent of line agents say a “wall system in strategic locations is necessary to securing the border.” Just 7 percent (brave souls) disagreed. In total, there are ~ 16,000 border patrol agents along the Mexican border. For the wall issue, the language doesn’t distinguish between existing sections of wall and the wisdom of what Trump wants to build going forward (an entire length border wall). Most members of the Democratic caucus in Congress believe that a “wall system in strategic locations” is necessary. The wording seemed to me as being designed to get the highest possible rate of agreement, not to discern the actual position of union members on Trump’s wall and you fell for it, hook, line and sinker.

Union officials don’t tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and Trump doesn’t know what truth is and he doesn’t care.
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As to my my property being acquired through eminent domain, quite acceptable.

For you perhaps, for others not. Your egocentricity rivals DJT's.

The long term plan is to leave and move to Arizona

Do you think they'll have you?

Mac

As a landowner there ( near Yuma), I have no doubt.

I find it curious you'd want to weigh in on the topic given what's going on in your nation. You actually have some ability to influence the outcome in your nation regarding government sanctioned land grabs but instead you offer smartass comments here. You must agree with it.

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