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Old 26th Jan 2019, 19:44
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Whoopee. All you've got is a three week reprieve unfortunately.
And bewildered millionaires and billionaires wondering out loud in interviews why government workers have had to use food banks.
Hell of a Christmas it was for all those affected and worse for their usually hard pressed January. And the future is nothing but uncertain - $ wise.

Wonder if ATCers fully realize just how strong a bargaining chip they hold if used skillfully?
Their head folks should be having some serious discussions among themselves. You know....for the next time.
"We Work if You Work" could be a slogan.
trump knows slogans.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 20:33
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If you workd for a federal agency that is/was shut down, you don't get scheduled payments from your own self funded retirement account.

If you expect payments from your retirement fund and they don't show up, it puts a real dent on your spending plans.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 20:56
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Federal employees typically need permission from their supervisors to take on other jobs.

Since the supervisors are on furlough, they cannot approve their staff taking on outside work.

Consequently, federal employees who get outside jobs to pay the rent or mortgage or pass the time could be subject to rebuke when they return to work.

This probably won't happen, but it could, especially if they take a job that remotely utilizes the skills they employ as a government employee.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 22:10
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
As an outsider peering in, it all seems rather tawdry and distasteful. Trump appears to have gathered together as advisors and staff the greatest group of grifters one could find.
All political regimes gather "...the greatest group of grifters one could find.". It's absurd to pretend otherwise. And we are the grifters' marks.

Unfortunately, their misdeeds are not small scale as the term grifter denotes.

Trump is a choirboy compared to Clinton, Inc. We're damned lucky that ghastly, corrupt, psycho woman and her band of myrmidons aren't ensconced in the White House.

Trump may surprise us; it's possible with probability being a separate issue.

Hillary et al have provided several decades of evidence of how Clinton, Inc. operates. She HAD to be kept out of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Trump sure wasn't my first choice but the primary election cycle (and the electorate) didn't leave us any rational choices. We were left with a Green Party Commie, a pothead Libertarian, Trump and that woman.

We had to pick the least ugly puppy from an ugly litter. We were saved by the Electoral College process in a way that's only happened a handful of times over the history of the republic.

I'm afraid it's a temporary reprieve.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 03:40
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Some of the Trump team may be grifters, but some of them should be residing in the big house.

Elliott Abrams has just been appointed as special envoy to Venezuela to help with the coup America has been working on down there.

It beggars belief that crooks like this keep floating to the top of the toilet bowl.

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Old 27th Jan 2019, 14:30
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again View Post
Some of the Trump team may be grifters, but some of them should be residing in the big house.

Elliott Abrams has just been appointed as special envoy to Venezuela to help with the coup America has been working on down there.

It beggars belief that crooks like this keep floating to the top of the toilet bowl.

Just give it a thought, how many coups has America been involved with, in ways large and small over the years.
A considerable number, and not to defend the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania, but not very many start there, itís usually the folks over at Foggy Bottom that present options up the chain along with names they would like to be involved.
The filing cabinet labeled future actions is large and full of options, as are the ones in most countries around the world.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 15:05
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Trump's best and brightest lineup. At the moment, Mueller is concentrating on lineup members that were untruthful in sworn testimony...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...wikileaks.html
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 19:26
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ďJust give it a thought, how many coups has America been involved withĒ

ďA considerable numberĒ

Yes, it is a considerable number.

Instead of listing the number of countries America has f$%^&ed with, itís a much quicker to simply list the ones it hasnít.





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Old 28th Jan 2019, 20:43
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It is a small world ....

We went to the movies last night, to see Juli, a film based on the life of famed Cuban dancer Carlos Acosta. (Worth seeing if you have any interest at all in Cuba and/or ballet.) There was a dance number in the film that featured Smedley Butler. Leaving the theater my German wife and our German friends were asking me who Smedley Butler was, and why he called himself a "gangster."

Yes, well, Butler had been a major general in the US Marine Corps, a two-time recipient of the Medal of Honor, a true war hero and the most highly decorated Marine of his time. In retirement he wrote a book that was highly critical of the role played by the USA abroad, when he indeed described himself acting as "a racketeer; a gangster for capitalism." Hardly anyone remembers Smedley Butler today, but the Cubans have not forgotten him.

It is ironic that part of the reason for all these migrants that Trump is whipping up a frenzy about is that the USA has done so much to create hellish conditions in their home countries. I mentioned the School of the Americas to my Germans, and how (what a small world it really is) we had trained the people who killed a lay sister who had been in the Girl Scouts with one of my own sisters. (That was the one where General Alexander Haig described the killing of four American women, three nuns and that lay sister, as having taken place during an "exchange of fire," as if those women had been shooting back at their Salvadorean, US-trained killers.)
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 05:04
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Hardly anyone remembers Smedley Butler today

Hundred of thousands of Marines past and present know who Gen. Butler was.

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Old 29th Jan 2019, 05:07
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Wonder if ATCers fully realize just how strong a bargaining chip they hold if used skillfully?

Controllers are acutely aware of how weak their position is to push back.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 05:12
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You think he'd do a Reagan?
Could they be replaced this time without a grinding stop to America Inc?
Granted it is a damn big risk for them.
It's a high stress, burn out career. Could 40 - 50 % decide to pursue other opportunities.
Maybe a precariously paid government job is not looking so good anymore?
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 05:20
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A correction ....

Hardly anyone who is anyone remembers Smedley Butler today.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 06:43
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If the pilots refuse to fly because the ATC isnít reliably safe, who could blame them? The the flight attendants are concerned the pax arenít getting screened as carefully, or the ramp doesnít feel like they are taking risks loading improperly screened, hiwcelse do they commit to air safety? Itís taken years to make the skies as save as they are today. No one wants a major tragedy on their watch. Everyone is stressed out from the no pay. Who knows what other jiobs the TSA and ATC have had to take to keep the money coming in.

No one wants this. No one. But lives are being put at risk over a vanity wall
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 06:50
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Humpty Trumpy wanted a wall...
Government agencies had a great fall.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 07:15
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Interesting to know how little you think of your fellow veterans chuks.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 07:29
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Despite those challenges controllers showed up. One they are professionals who wouldn't want the safety of the national airspace system questioned because of their actions. Second, there are unpleasent memories of 1981.
Don't mistake actions of individuals doing what they have to to feed their family as some collective clout attempting to influence the outcome.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 11:22
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Oh, it's not me ....

West Coast, have a good look at how little our current president, and the one before him, thought of our veterans. Obama did not even bother to learn the proper pronunciation of "corpsman," pronouncing it twice as "corpse-man" in speeches delivered before, among others, veterans. Trump ... just look at how this miserable, draft-dodging coward dealt with our national bird:

That is not enough for you, nor for OB, WC, so also please have a think about how the Orange Abomination dealt with the widow of that guy who got waxed in Mali; the parents of that guy who got waxed in Iraq; and with a true hero, John McCain.

Never mind McCain's politics here, which we can take or leave; just think about all those years in brutal captivity in Hanoi when with just a word or two he could have gone free. How long would Cadet Bone Spurs have held out then? (Feel free to give us a number expressed in seconds, or even milliseconds.)

Further, WC, if you still do not understand how the most of our fellow citizens think of veterans, aside from random bouts of flag-waving, please go out onto the streets of wherever it is you live, or else onto the beach, ask a random selection of Californians "Who was Smedley Butler?" and then get back to us with the results of that. (Come to think of it, that would probably be a good way to smoke out "Walts," or at least the ones who want to fake former membership in the "Crotch," Uncle Sam's Misguided Children.

Look, dear boy, we are expected to serve, merely to cop a few medals if we are lucky, and then, most of us, to fade into the woodwork. (I got three medals, one for signing up, two more for being mostly a Saigon warrior, and a Meritorious Unit Commendation for whatever. Once a year, if I had not forgotten my DD-214, I could have been given a free donut and a cup of coffee in Brattleboro on Veterans' Day to add to my bag.)

I know who I am, and I know who my fellow veterans are, when very few of us will fit well upon a pedestal. Unlike my (veteran) mother I do not much mind what the average non-veteran thinks of us, that we were played for suckers. If you labor under the illusion that the polity thinks more highly of the average veteran than of those who took due care not to go into harm's way, think again. After all, they voted for one of the most flagrant Vietnam-era draft-dodgers, Cadet Bone Spurs, without giving a thought to how he thinks of veterans, namely as people of much lower status than himself. If he had any real respect, how could he have behaved as he did in those three cases I cited?

West Coast, you yourself have lined up behind this guy who craps all over veterans, so tell me, please, how you really feel towards the greater community of veterans. That doesn't really matter to you, how Trump treats us, does it?

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Old 29th Jan 2019, 14:08
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There you go again, Chuks, dragging me into your silly diatribes. I've uttered not one word here about veterans. I am not one myself, never pretended to be one.
I have the greatest respect for our veterans, including you, and those vets here who either agree with my postings or who denigrate them.
Trump has shown a hell of a lot more respect for them than his predecessor ever did, who couldn't even be arsed to go to Dover to be present when a deceased soldier returned home.
McCain? Never denigrated his war heroism. But he turned into an ass of a politician in his last years.

The best thing Trump can do for veterans is to stop sending our precious young people into unwinnable hostilities, and to recognize that we've been fiddling around in the middle east long enough. Stop listening to the Generals, and bring them home.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 14:33
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Then & Now

Original Posting by West Coast:
Despite those challenges controllers showed up. One they are professionals who wouldn't want the safety of the national airspace system questioned because of their actions. Second, there are unpleasent memories of 1981.
Don't mistake actions of individuals doing what they have to to feed their family as some collective clout attempting to influence the outcome.
WC,
You didn't paint the whole picture, so here is the rest of it you failed to mention. In 1981 the labor market, which received its second jolt in as many years, was experiencing precipitous declines by the final quarter of 1981. The number of unemployed reached 9.6 million, 8.8 % of the work force by the end of the year.There were also large increases in the number of persons reporting discouragement over job prospects and the number still employed but reporting reduced workweeks.

So if Trump in 2019 did what Reagan did in 1981, fire all the striking ATCs or no-shows, explain where the replacements would come from since the unemployment rate is under 4%, e.g., full employment by most measures. Is there a difference between ATCs in 1981 and 2019 in terms of professionalism as you seem to indicate? Are there more aircraft in the US airspace in 2019 than in 1981? You have to admit or should admit Trump didn't do his homework (never does) in shutting down the government in 2019, just another Trump hip-shoot where he shot himself in the foot.

Don't mistake 1981 for 2019...
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