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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 14:13
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You seem inordinately obsessed with the sexual practices, attitudea, and proclivites of others, Chuks. You can't seem to get to a second sentence before wandering off onto tha topic.

Help is available, should you be tolerant enough t seek it.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 14:24
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Chuks, or Chukette if you has SRS.

As to whether you like it or not, as to point C.....that’s a man.

As one of your heros would say, an inconvenient truth. If it makes Mr. Spain happy to have elective surgery allowing the outward appearance of Ms. Spain, then I’m all for it. It however doesn’t change certain basic facts.


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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 16:38
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WC, so would it be okay with Pence to have dinner with MIss Spain, yes or no? Somehow I think that while Pence might be ready for it, Mother Pence would throw a wobbly, "man" or not. "Who was that lady I saw you with last night?"

"That was no lady, that was Miss Spain!"

OB, there I was, minding my own business, when not one but two scandals erupted. First the Rev. Bakker, and then the Rev. Swaggart were caught doing very, very naughty things involving sex and money. (It had been obvious for years that they were just horny flim-flam artists, but still they prospered greatly and Praaaise Jeezus!)

Is my mind in the gutter? Could be, could be, but still it is so that all of this nonsense with Trump, Pence, and you guys who support them makes me think of the mooks who bought into those two charlatans for far too long. (The Rev. Bakker is back, in fact, still flim-flamming along with some degree of success. Amazing .... )
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 17:21
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WC, so would it be okay with Pence to have dinner with MIss Spain, yes or no? Somehow I think that while Pence might be ready for it, Mother Pence would throw a wobbly, "man" or not. "Who was that lady I saw you with last night?"

"That was no lady, that was Miss Spain!"
Pretty sure you’ll want to address that to your Vice President rather than me.

Perhaps a change.org petition to require Pence to have dinner with that man crowned miss Spain? Liberals love to impose their will on everyone, might be a good avenue to move forward with that.

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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 18:03
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Good grief, Chuks....Swaggert and Bakker's issues were over 30 years ago! It's truly time you moved past someone else's sexual hangups from 30 years ago. If you cannot, follow my advice, as a real doctor, and seek help.

Perhaps this all arises from those tight trousers your German friends have convinced you are so stylish. (Where DO they find those?) Loosen up a bit. Let the lads breathe!
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 18:06
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post


Perhaps this all arises from those tight trousers your German friends have convinced you are so stylish. (Where DO they find those?) Loosen up a bit. Let the lads breathe!
Now that's funny right there, I dont care who you are.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 19:10
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The Emperor has been working overtime, I see ....

I asked my daughter about that, how people fit into those tight pants. They are made of some sort of elasthane mix, so that they stretch to fit; that is the answer to that puzzle. Not for me, not at all, that look.

OB, those two never went away. (Okay, Bakker did literally go away, spending some time behind bars, but he's back as if he never went away.) Here, check this out:


Televangelist Jim Bakker said on his show this week [mid-June 2018] that Donald Trump was elected in order to give Christians time to prepare for the end of the world. And this was a fact, Bakker said, because God told him personally.

“This is what He told me, Bakker claimed. “He said, Donald Trump is a respite in this [sic] troubled times and I sent him in grace to give you time to prepare for what’s coming on earth.’”Bakker said that while “the Antichrist spirit” has been let loose on America, “God has given us a man who is not afraid to fight. We have a president people think is crazy. They call him crazy, but he’s making peace treaties, he’s doing all the things to try to solve the world’s problems and God has put him on earth — God spoke to me the other night, He said, ‘I put Donald Trump on earth to give you time, the church, to get ready.’https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/...the-end-times/

You guys simply do not understand whom you have climbed into bed with, that is all. Not just Trump (bad enough right there) but God-botherers, gay-bashers, racists, neo-Nazis, hypocrites ... a whole pack of sick puppies ... when the best approach to this is to take the mickey, I think.

After all, you guys actually enjoy seeing liberals get all upset, trying sweet reason and failing completely. My choice is not to get upset at all by failing at the use of reason, but instead to mock Trump and his crowd any chance I get.

Look at you two, OB and WC, stood there shoulder-to-shoulder with the Reverend Jim Bakker. Not for the same reasons, one hopes, but there you stand. Bwhahahahahaaa .....

It must have been the Emperor Mong at work again. "Stand up for Donald Trump. That will upset the liberals, and nobody will think the less of you for joining that ragtag mob of losers trailing after this other emperor, the one with no clothes. Off you go now .... " A swirl of his purple cape, a cloud of purple smoke, a gust of ghostly laughter, and then off he went to find a fresh victim. That must have been Rudy Giuliani. "Go seek out as many people as you can to interview you on TV, Rudy. That will make you Trump's favorite minion."

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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 23:53
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Who knew, voting for Gary Johnson entitled me to stand shoulder to shoulder with Reverend Jim.

Keep fishing. Change your bait however.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 01:39
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You have a nice family. I imagine you want to keep it eh?

Word is now out that Mr. Cohen will not be speaking to the pols in Washington in February. He hints at threats. What a surprise! As if the mob were going to let him talk about how they launder their money.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 05:26
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I'd be careful if I were you, Chuks. Your idea of "guilt by very tenuous association" will not play out well for Liberals. Far more death, destruction, and dismemberment for you to be responsible for as supporters of left-leaners.

How are things working out in Venezuela these days? When socialism runs out of cash, the only thing of value left is blood.

We on the right recognize our cartoon characters, like Bakker and other hangers-on. You on the left appoint yours to high office.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 05:53
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Nancy's Jerking his Chain

Trump announced he's showing up at the House on the 29th for the SOTU, but Nancy wrote back that he will be welcomed once the government is running again.

Trump's not used to this.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 06:13
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Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying View Post
Trump announced he's showing up at the House on the 29th for the SOTU, but Nancy wrote back that he will be welcomed once the government is running again.

Trump's not used to this.
No, he certainly is not. In his diminished mental state he is bound to flail flop, and flounder his way into a mistake. He does not know, nor does he want to, the rules of the government. His wiiling ignorance will work against him in this case.

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Old 24th Jan 2019, 06:42
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"Self-knowledge ... " not a thing for Trump and his partisans ....

OB, unless you are joking, this, "We on the right recognize our cartoon characters, like Bakker and other hangers-on," shows just how little you and other Trump boosters know about what you are up to. Donald John Trump is the very embodiment of a "cartoon character" meant to symbolize pretty much everything defective: unmatched, open greed; total disrespect for the law and law enforcement; complete disrespect for women; rampant cowardice combined with boasting of bravery; and so on. I would run out of pixels before I could finish listing everything obviously wrong with this poor creature, this excuse for a man.

It's news now when Trump does something positive, and when he actually speaks the truth. That is how accustomed we have become, in just two years, to having a lying buffoon as our head of state.

Are you guys behind the Supremes saying that it's okay to ban trans-sexuals from military service, even if that was done by Trump on spurious grounds with, seemingly, little or no consultation? That was a sop to the Bakkers and such, wasn't it? If you are okay with Trump then you must be okay with what he gets up to trying to please that miserable crowd of mountebanks. You are left with the "Curate's egg," trying to tell the rest of us, the most of us, that parts of this are excellent. https://www.google.com/search?q=the+...enYlrPja6J0PM:

OB, this "one size fits all" approach of yours would not fool a child. I am liberal, not a "Liberal," so that I feel no obligation whatsoever to line up behind Maduro in the way that you have chosen to line up behind Trump™. You and Josef Mengele ... both practicioners of medicine, on pretty much the same level? Of course not! Just as we can easily understand the differences between enlightened socialism and whatever that mess in Venezuela is to be called, we can understand that preferring the enlightened socialism put forth by Bernie Sanders to whatever this mess that Trump is making brings with it no obligation to like Maduro. Your "Sanders: socialist, and Maduro: socialist,'" is just as nonsensical as "OB: physician, and Mengele: physician."

Oh, God! There I went, lured into trying to use logic to argue with a Trump supporter. Emperor Mong, you bastard!
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 08:08
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Not from a feckless foreigner whose understanding of the US economy come from jet blast. If you had an intelligent reply regarding the relationship between the President and the state of the economy, you would have used it. You clearly didn't as surely you know I'm correct.
Stick to performing elective surgery, as the finer points of the US economy have eluded you.
"Do you believe the President has little nothing to do [sic], good or bad with the health of the economy?"

Initially at least, Presidents have little to do with the strength of the economy. To be able to significantly influence the economy you need a strong and confident President who is pragmatic, knows Washington inside out, has people who respect him (though they may not like him) across the board, and has colleagues and contacts across political divides. He must have a coherent and informed long-term vision based on reality. He will have favours he can call in (and dispense) and political knowledge that allows him to arm-wrassle the reluctant and quiet the strident. He must be, above all, a deal-maker and one who keeps his word. Politics is People, and as a congressman he must know the leaders, the union heads and people of his district - not from afar but on a doorbell knocking, casual phone-call, drop-in-for-coffee, "Hows-that-son-of-yours-doing?" level.

There is a story about Jack Kennedy - United States Representative (1947–1953) from Massachusetts. Massachusetts's 11th congressional district, 1946 (Democratic primary). A lil' 'ol lady was being interviewed about her vote and she admitted that she had voted for Kennedy's opponent, while saying how nice Kennedy seemed. 'But then why didn't you vote for Kennedy?", the journalist said, "He never asked me.", she replied. A lesson Kennedy never forgot. He served six years in the House of Representatives and knew what politics was about. A good President? Yes. He worked long hours, getting up at seven and not going to bed until eleven or twelve at night, or later. He read six newspapers while he ate breakfast, had meetings with important people throughout the day, and read reports from his advisers. A great President? No - only his assassination saved him from Johnson's fate, and his Presidency was too much about himself and the Kennedy/Shriver clan.

Lyndon Johnson was a great politician and very nearly a great President. Coming from relative poverty he created the Great Society programs which included anti-poverty processes and civil rights legislation: The Civil Rights Act of 1964, The Voting Rights Act of 1965 & The Civil Rights Act of 1968 (which outlawed discrimination for housing). He created Medicare and Medicaid, and was instrumental in the the passage of many environmental protection acts and laws to help protect consumers. It was Johnson's tragedy to inherit involvement in South-East Asia (the assassination of Diem) from Kennedy, and the Vietnam War besmirched his Presidency to a degree that overrode his many accomplishments and political skills.

Tip O'Neill is another politician for whom I have much admiration. The only Speaker to serve for five complete consecutive Congresses, he was the third longest-serving Speaker in American history. As a deal-maker, facilitator, and overall total professional he deserves his place among the greats. O'Neill broke with Johnson on the Vietnam War and called for Nixon's resignation in the light of the Watergate affair. He became House Majority Whip in 1971, House Majority Leader in 1973, and Speaker of the House in 1977. O'Neill hoped to establish a universal health care system and a guaranteed jobs program. He became a leading opponent of Reagan's conservative domestic policies, but worked with him on foreign policy, fostering the Anglo-Irish Agreement and implementing the Reagan Doctrine in the Soviet–Afghan War.

Have I answered your original question? I said, "Initially at least, Presidents have little to do with the strength of the economy."
On review, my codicil that only strong Presidents can influence the economy still stands. For the first two years of his presidency any president is largely coasting on what he has inherited, only later can his direct influence begin to make itself felt. Later on, Presidents can and do influence the economy, though not nearly as much as they might wish. World affairs and the global marketplace do much more. Stability and confidence (even of the Evil Empire type!) encourages markets, instability and uncertainty depress them.

Trump is a terribly weak President, with no experience and little knowledge of politics, no old (or new) friends in Washington, and an ever increasing number of people whom he has insulted and offended, who are unlikely to come to his aid in the current sauve-qui-peut climate. His ignorance of foreign policy is near total, and he is disinclined to listen to those who would seek to inform him. He lies regularly, transparently and pointlessly. His relationship with the press is awful, which is largely his own fault. His interest in the economy is limited to ways in which he can enrich himself and maintain the support of wealthy donors. His personal economic record of a string of bankruptcies and stiffed investors is not encouraging and neither is his evident involvement with the shady Russian economic elite. The rapid 'revolving-door' turnover of his staff appointments is a reliable red-light for any company (as is the large number of still unfilled vacancies). He gets up late, leaves briefings unread, watches TV obsessively in the hope of seeing encomia, 'twitters' endlessly without thought or discretion, does little work and much play. Attempting to rule by Fiat (as he has done for most of his life) he is regularly rebuffed by the Courts and Constitution which surprises and enrages him. A dictatorship, whether by the people or a person, is what the Founding Fathers sought to make impossible.

Is such behaviour likely to be "good for the economy" - history would suggest otherwise.

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Old 24th Jan 2019, 08:17
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Various media saying this Cohen guy is not testifying because of threats to himself and his family from trump himself and tv lawyer Giuliani, who seems to be in the role - "being used up".

Threats? What kind? To what degree? Life? Injury? Pictures? Tapes? Nasty facebk post? When does criminal law come into this?

Was thinking Fellini could have made this whole thing into a suitably warped film with the quirky, disjointed music.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 09:46
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It seems that Cohen has enough skeletons in his family closet to fill an entire graveyard.

From before the time he hooked up with Trump until now Cohen, along with his father-in-law, has been in the taxi medallion business, which is a pretty rough business: https://www.vox.com/2018/5/22/173821...dman-taxi-king

As you can read from that article I linked, Cohen borrowed heavily against the previous value, $1.3 million each, of his taxi medallions. They now are worth about $200 thousand each, so that it is easy to guess that Cohen and his father-in-law are under a lot of financial pressure. (Check out the story of little Jared Kushner and 666 Fifth Avenue, for another, similar tale of financial woe.) Added to that, it would be a complete surprise to be told that Cohen and his father-in-law have held to the letter of the law.

I would guess that the threat from Trump is that he should start tweeting about Cohen's family troubles in this regard, when for once the reality is bad enough, not that Trump should not spice that up with his usual lying exaggerations. Some kind of thuggish "You tell Congress about me; I tell the whole USA about your father-in-law!" seems to have persuaded Cohen to keep his mouth shut about Trump simply because he would get himself into a lot more trouble by testifying.

New York is still a melting pot. If you are interested, read up on Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, New York City. A lot of Russian emigres have settled there, including plenty of gangsters. (It is the same story as with any other group of immigrants, when a certain number come as organized criminals, to live by organized crime. It is not that the Russians deserve to all be branded gangsters in the way that Trump has defamed Mexicans, but the answer to "Is there a Russian mob presence in New York City?" has to be "Yes, of course!")

Cohen's father-in-law arrived from the Ukraine when it was part of the USSR so that he could be thought of as a "Russian," and Rudy Giuliani has just accused him of having, perhaps, "ties to something called organized crime." It seems clear that if Cohen talks, so does Rudy, some more.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 21:57
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Mac - that was one of the most cogent reviews of Mr. Trump that I have read lately. Your juxtaposition of Trump and Kennedy is particularly revealing. Kennedy, when he was not on the sexual prowl or in a dalliance, worked hard and was inquisitive. Trump, on the other hand, prides himself on already knowing everything. He and his supporters are willingly divorced from reality but see no danger in that. How aides can see an older overweight man watch Fox for hours at a time and think this is the stuff that great men are made of is bewildering.

Btw, I think that for all the discussions of how dysfunctional the U.S. government is at the moment, that actually it is working as the founders envisioned. Reality, and a wily leader of the party opposite in the House, are balancing out Trump to a certain extant. No one said it would be pretty! Let's hope, for the sake of the West, that a vibrant opposition will keep his room for maneuver limited.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 04:00
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Let's just say, as a theoretical exercise, that the congress decides that keeping the country running is more important than blocking Forrest Trump's wall.

They allocate the money, the wall is built (and costs MUCH more than was quoted, how unusual..) but then the dreaded Mexicans still get in.

How will Donald D!ck rationalise that one?
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 06:40
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Donald wouldn't need to rationalize the failure of his wall because, just as with the deficit, he won't be around to answer for that. (How much personal heat is George W. Bush enduring for this misbegotten "War on Terror," for example, something he started? How about "very, very little"? It will be like that.) This guy is into "pump and dump," going for the quick kill and then buggering off.

I think that we shall see the abandonment of Project Great Wall Trump rather soon, with that to be blamed upon the Democrats. Trump easily could turn this situation on its head, to end the shut-down having fought the good fight for border security, forced to abandon that in the national interest in order to end the shut-down. He would then get to deliver his Snake of the Uniom™ address in the House chamber before a rapt national TV audience, reinforced by rapturous applause from Republican legislators and sullen silence from Democrat legislators.

There's something else to bet on: I say "SOTU on 29 January, given at the Capitol in the House chamber before a joint session of Congress."
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Another one bites the dust ....

Roger Stone was just arrested in Florida (around 0600 local time by the FBI) on what seems to be charges generally related to Wiki-leaks, meaning the passing of data stolen from Hillary's campaign between Wiki-leaks, Russians, and the Trump campaign.

Stone has been posing as a real tough guy for a long time, as someone who is not going to coöperate with Mueller at all. Stone has kept a team of four lawyers on hot alert for some time now, showing that he has been expecting arrest, and that he is ready to fight this one out to the last trench, unlike Manafort, and very unlike Cohen.

This arrest might have to do with Jerome Corsi, who seems to have been some sort of middleman between Stone and Julian Assange. Corsi was subpoenaed by Mueller late last year, when the Special Counsel obtained material from him that seems to have implicated Stone. Before this there had been a great deal of suspicion of Stone, but perhaps not enough hard evidence to indict and arrest him. That said, who keeps a team of four top lawyers on standby in case of arrest?

Here again we see that classical method used against mobsters, the law working its way up the food chain from the small fry to the big fish. Stone is a big fish because there are not many layers between him and Donald Trump. About the only layer there is the Trump campaign, in fact.

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