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Old 20th Jan 2019, 01:31
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Not from a feckless foreigner whose understanding of the US economy come from jet blast. If you had an intelligent reply regarding the relationship between the President and the state of the economy, you would have used it. You clearly didn't as surely you know I'm correct.

Stick to performing elective surgery, as the finer points of the US economy have eluded you.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 02:35
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Nah, I'm sure he'd be every bit the professional. Wouldn't boot him from my plane for holding opposing views either.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 03:25
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I think we should just settle in for the long haul, as they say, and nothing will change.

The Dems, aided by their media acolytes, along with Chuks and his associates here on JB, will continue to holler "Impeachable!!" every time Trump farts or looks at someone the wrong way.

The reality is different. Sure, pass a resolution of impeachment in the House, if you wish. But getting that through the Senate? Just a datdream, along with the idea that the East coast will be underwater very soon, or that saying you'd rather wear skirts than pants determines which public toilet you use if you have danglies.

Chuk and Nancy did themselves in when they came out looking like they'd just been embalmed. So settle in for 2, and likely 6, of the same. Your only hope now is the Grim Reaper.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 05:04
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Things have changed.

OB, I guess you missed the fact that Democrats now control the House of Representatives, which is a big change.

Well, that is politics, OB, not your specialty, and not mine either. Something that is your specialty, though, is fiddling with human sex organs, right? If that is so, how is it that you do not seem to understand the difference between a transvestite (in the case you cite, a male who merely presents as female even though he may be heterosexual), and a trans-sexual (someone who has legally changed his or her gender to the opposite one)? That is also "change," of course.

Ob, the argument you gloss over with your reference to "danglies" is the serious one of demanding recognition of one's legally assigned gender, even if that is different from the one assigned at birth. I assume that in your professional life you have encountered people who want, need, or perhaps even have received, gender reassignment, either pre-op or post-op. Is that really just a joke, some sort of cheap talking point meant to buttress the reactionary point of view that leads you to accept the Orange Abomination now squatting in the Oval Office?

Trump is not equipped to handle even mild dissent from whatever nonsense he puts out. We saw that right at the beginning of his term, when he went a bit mad over the Department of the Interior having imaged the crowds for his inauguration. (That was done from the Washington Monument, using the same point of view as for the previous inauguration, when it was clear that Trump's crowd was smaller by quite a bit.) Instead of simply accepting this fact and ignoring it, what any sane adult would do, Trump went a bit mad, so that we were treated to Donald going full Trump instead of, as promised, "acting presidential." Optimists expected some sort of cheap imitation of President Abraham Lincoln fighting and winning a new Civil War. That was all they could reasonably hope for, but instead they got unreconstructed Trump, merely the guy who built and ran the Trump Taj Mahal.

OB, you might like Trump, but reality does not. Trump in turn really hates reality, which makes some sort of sense, given the way reality is tripping him up. He was having a tough time with political reality when he had his party controlling the legislature. How did you expect him to cope with this changed reality, or have you somehow missed the fact of this shut-down?

We go back and forth here about who is smart and who is stupid, which is kind of stupid for certain. Well, Trump has that way of dragging people, friends and foes alike, down to his level; that is not something new in the long history of human stupidity. How about a guy who was the chess champion of the world, Gary Kasparov, though? Kasparov has to be really, really smart, right? No argument is possible about that, is there? Too, Kasparov has a proven track record of standing up for democracy and against totalitarianism, which makes him, like many other progressive Russians, a friend of the United States in its idealized form.

OB, WC, and all the rest of you Trump partisans here to be found, either proudly braying your love of Trump or else mostly just lurking and quietly hoping for him to manage to saw Columbia in two without getting blood all over the stage, I present you with one really smart guy sharing his current thoughts about Trump: https://www.msnbc.com/mtp-daily/watch/kasparov-all-trump-s-big-decisions-are-connected-to-putin-s-interests-1428852291763

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Old 20th Jan 2019, 06:39
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The mind boggling part is that a trained physician doesn’t know the difference between sex and gender tbh
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 06:59
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Originally Posted by Hempy View Post
The mind boggling part is that a trained physician doesn’t know the difference between sex and gender tbh
No sex please. We're British.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 07:05
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Oh how I love how you lot get wound up when someone differs over one of your pet issues. I am pretty sure ("without evidence" as tbe lefty media loves to say) that I have far more experience regarding the topic of sex and gender than you lot here. But that is not for discussion here today, unless you would also like me to pontificate on y'all's skills at following an ILS.

Apparently, Chuks, you have forgotten the USConstitution, that nasty and inconvenient document that so often gets in your way in the path to total control. Impeach every week, if you like. Pass the Articles under the stick of Nancy. But do it quickly, because she looks like she will bite it before RBG. And then get back to me about how you will get past the Senate.

Finally, Chuks, don't put words in my mouth. Never once here, have I said I "like" Trump. He's the best example I can think of of a prick. I like what he has accomplished, and the directions he is taking the country. You lot are stuck in old neverending politics and worship of everything diverse except "thought".
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 07:36
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Stung a bit did it WC? Yep, you have a lot to learn...

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Old 20th Jan 2019, 08:03
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A question re the government shutdown and non-payment of civil servant's salaries; Is Trump still receiving his salary?
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 09:49
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
A question re the government shutdown and non-payment of civil servant's salaries; Is Trump still receiving his salary?
He made a whole song and dance of donating his pay cheque to salary at the beginning of his term. No idea if he still does.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 09:54
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A question re the government shutdown and non-payment of civil servant's salaries; Is Trump still receiving his salary?
I thought he said he was doing it for ‘free’ (while his companies rake in millions and millions of dollars of taxpayers money charging exhorbitant fees to accomodate the Secret Service detail every time he wants a round of golf at Mar-a-lago for example).

In other news, I see that 39% of Americans approve of Trumps presidency. Similar numbers to the percentage of Americans who believe that the earth is 10,000 years old, or that the holocaust is a myth, or that 9/11 was a neocon false flag operation to sway public opinion towards a war against Islam. Coincidence? I think not.

2 Americans in every 5. It beggars belief, but I’m beginning to realise my belief was giving too much credit.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 11:57
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Two different things ....

OB, you clearly do like Trump™, a separate and distinct entity from Trump the person. (Even Trump sometimes refers to "President Trump" in the third person, using quotation marks.)

I assume, OB, that thanks to your training and experience you know a complete [email protected] when you see one. I doubt that you would ever want to see such a one as Trump the person with his knees under your dining room table, given that he would probably be leering at your daughter while harshly judging your wife merely upon her hotness or lack thereof. No, what you like, and like very much, is this other "Trump," the force for destruction of the established US political order.

As to Trump the person, OB, we are probably in very close agreement. Although I am not a gynecologist, I do know that object of your professional regard well enough to recognize one when it comes before me, even one as lacking in depth and warmth as Donald Trump.

When it comes to "diversity," OB, I assume that you must have encountered at least one person of alternate gender, be that merely a very butch lesbian who identifies as male deeply enough to have legally swapped gender, or a full-on post-op, legal female who was registered as male at birth. Please do not tell us that you refuse to accept alternate genders along these lines, given that you must have a professional obligation to do so. (That would be just like me once saving the life of a homosexual rapist whom I had to transport to hospital, when he was meant to just die because of being left stranded on arrival at destination in the middle of the night: "rough justice.")

Hempy, oddly enough, the President is legally obliged to accept his salary, just as he is barred from accepting monies, etc., from foreign sources. ("Emoluments" is just an old-fashioned word for "pay," among other things. If I were to travel to Oz to scrape the barnacles off Eddie's didgeridoo, and if Eddie were to pay me for my labors ... that would be me accepting an emolument from him. That word does not necessarily mean "bribes," as Trump and his troupe would have us believe.)

These two things, decent pay and a ban on taking money from foreign sources, are meant to protect the American people from a President subject to undue influence, of course, in the hope that paying him a reasonable salary should keep him honest, plus forbidding him to take foreign money or benefits on the side if he were that way inclined. (The Founding Fathers never foresaw a greedhead such as Donald Trump, obviously.) As you point out, Trump is giving away a relatively small sum (that he actually is obliged to accept), while accepting very large sums he should not be getting at all. This shallow trick works on people stupid enough to vote for Trump, which tells us pretty much all we need to know about most of the people who vote for Trump. It's just like some Mafia boss donating generously to his church while stealing a thousand times as much money from his community, and being lauded for his fake generosity in doing so.

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Old 20th Jan 2019, 14:15
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Politicians and business folks are no different than each other.
Gavin Newsome’decided, like many others before him, to include Reagan, that the official Governers residence was a bit small for his family, with 5 kids, understandably so.

A $3.7 million property is purchased in a better community outside of Sacramento. Initially Newsome doesn’t say a word about it, for whatever reasons, some perhaps valid. Somebody goes digging, had to go quite deep apparently, to find that it was purchased by one of the company’s he and his brother own, one being a wine producer.

So here we have a quite successful politician/businessman, the newly elected Governor of looney land, who loves sanctuary cities, “free” healthcare for all, etc., etc., etc, apparently trying to obscure and take financial tax incentives by gaming the system shall we say.

Laws, especially tax laws, are written for the benefit of the wealthy. to increase and protect their net worth, not to help the lower and middle class folks.

I wonder why.

Trump, Pelosi, Newsome et al, just shades of magnitude difference.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 15:04
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Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post
Stung a bit did it WC? Yep, you have a lot to learn...

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I’m just curious why you went the route you did. It’s an anonymous board, so don’t kid yourself you made any points.

So, the question again should you choose not to runaway from it a second time. Do you believe the President has little nothing to do, good or bad with the health of the economy?
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 16:43
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The topic of the thread, my dear Chuks, is "US Politics". If you want to start a discussion about gender, real or imagined, then do so. But count me out. And don't bother with your assumptions as to what my obligations and my practices might have been, because your uninformed statements are simply not true.

I have decided, though that not everything you post here requires my response. Feel free to have the last word, though, as is your usual desire.

Now as to Trump...

Have fun sorting out this growing list of very strange people who will seek the chance to push Trump out in 2020. I see no serious likelihood of victory by the looney party.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 17:44
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My apologies ....

There I was, thinking that the God-botherers who back Trump are holding fast to the notion that trans-sexuals should use whichever facility corresponds to their gender at birth, the one God or the Podunk Registrar of Births gave them, so that this really is just one more thing to do with "US Politics." (One more fake promise from Trump was that he was going to break a lance for LGBTQ rights, when as far as I can tell he has lined up instead behind the gay-bashing religious far right.)

Then there is the irony of someone who lives in a cave chastising me for not being accepting of diversity and change as he takes a stance against gender diversity. Not that you should catch the joke, OB.

Trump boosters ... that kind of thing just goes right over their heads. Otherwise they would not be Trump boosters. It is the liberals who are intolerant of diversity. That is why they are called liberals, I guess? No, wait ....

Never mind, never mind .... I think we can hold fast, OB, to agreeing that Trump the person is a [email protected], taking him for a completely separate entity from Trump™. If you want to pose as someone who can't live with the idea of some tranny lurking at a public convenience, so that you hope that Trump™ can turn the clock back to 1955 for you, well, good luck with that, and may the best poster win.

Who knows? Nine fresh pints of formalin and ten thousand volts run through the central nervous system later we may get the Hildebeest Redux, who stomps Trump till his piggy little eyes bug out. Hah!
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 04:05
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It is the liberals who are intolerant of diversity.
Has been for some years now. Hopefully the penny is finally starting to drop, even among those who struggle with the notion of independent thought.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 05:04
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That is merely the narrative being pushed by the right wing about liberal intolerance and suppression of alternate thought.

It's true that not all so-called liberals are shining beacons of tolerance. Academia has a real problem now with those who want to silence conservative voices in the name of Political Correctness, for example. On the other hand, Crepello, did you miss what just happened to trans-sexuals in the US military? I guess so. That would have been the way that they are now banned from serving, down for expulsion, since the Supreme Court just upheld Trump's ban for no obvious good reason on them serving. There we see one very essential move against diversity.

Trump's toady Pence just hit the news when "Mother" Pence, his wife, resumed her teaching position at one of those so-called Christian academies that bans students who are anything other than "straight," as if they could hope to tell. Three words: the Reverend Jim Bakker. Okay, four words. Whatever.

"Straight" is a category that does not include someone who sleeps with his "Mother," but I guess that is a point too subtle for most people on the side of Trump to catch.

Pence is one very twisted dude. He abjures being in the presence of any woman not his "Mother" without a male chaperone being present, but then he hops into bed with "Mother." (Perhaps with a chaperone? Dude, that is kinky, so respect!) If that hot mess makes any sense then call me Pope Chuks I.

Then there is Trump's often publicly expressed lust for his daughter Ivanka. (Trump agreed that his daughter is a "piece of ass," on a public broadcast. Smooth move, Donald, but thanks for sharing an insight into how you view your daughter.)

There you have it, Crepello: one with a Oedipus Complex, the other with an Electra Complex, and you being alarmingly tolerant of both of these forms of diversity. Yeah, it's fair to say that, unlike you, this liberal is intolerant of these forms of diversity.

We have this twisted ass-clown Trump having dumped on trans-sexuals who are serving with honor in our military, for no obvious good reason, when that is okay with his followers. Anyone who can look at this and still claim that it is the liberals who practice intolerance must be a little bit slow when it comes to adding stuff up and reaching a logical conclusion.

Yes, I am intolerant of those two twisted ass-clowns in the White House, but is that enough to make me totally intolerant? On the other hand, does the fact of Trump showing great tolerance of racist neo-Nazis, "some very fine people," make up for his intolerance of trans-sexuals in our military?
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 05:35
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Chuks, one of the interesting points about Mr. Pence not throwing a trotter in the trough whilst alone with a member of the distaff corps, is the pure chutzpah on his part that a women would be interested...or keen as we say. Is his magnatism so overpowering that he wilts the determined resistance of even the most stalwart gals ?

I think there is a point that most of us come to when we realize that just 1 in 100 showing interest would be a banner week. Reminds me of the Demotivator poster that states "Dude, she's just not that into you." Even less so when business is at hand and work is to be done.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 07:33
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Someone has the hots for Mike Pence! Hola, Miguel ....

To be fair, Pence does have a certain amount of sex appeal, if you are into that sort of thing. Randy Rainbow has him down as a hot contender in RuPaul's Drag Race. Then there is the way that Pence does seem to be taking his "look" from openly gay Anderson Cooper. Those are the two whitest dudes ever, right?

A quick question: Pence won't dine with a woman not his "Mother" unless a man is there to protect him. Take that for Point A.

Point B: Pence does not recognize legal gender reassignment.

Point C: According to Pence, this is a dude: (https://www.google.com/search?q=image+of+miss+spain+trans-sexual&client=firefox-b-ab&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=mV6shf8_EqfZQM%253A%252CYOS vmIC2ma_XZM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kT0MWd9smTtbmC6UO_Lv3N5dWaoFg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjalLHzqoPgAhXJ Z1AKHfXYDzYQ9QEwB3oECAAQEg#imgrc=mV6shf8_EqfZQ

Taking Points A, B, and C together, one assumes that Pence would be happy, should the occasion arise, to dine "Mother"less with Miss Spain. Further, one assumes that "Mother" Pence, if she happened to walk in upon Johnny Mathis playing on the Wurlitzer as Pence spooned caviar into the mouth of Miss Spain with "him" sat upon Pence's lap in the back room at the Green Lantern, would be pacified by his telling her, "Relax, Mother; this one is a man."

So here is the quick question: Pence would not dine alone with Angela Merkel, so why would he dine alone with Miss Spain?

Please do not accuse me of being totally unfair to this hyper-religious, obvious hypocrite, Mike Pence. Many other prominent God-botherers have been know to flip their public sexual orientations at the drop of a hat, falling out of the closet with a terrible loud clang. We can cite numerous examples of far-right evangelical so-called Christians who have been caught out in this way. Here I am merely following Pencian logic to discover that his freaky fear of dining with a distaff member of our human race will not bar him from a liaison with Miss Spain.

I had been wondering what was going through what passes for the mind of Mike Pence as he sat there mute during that famous recent encounter between Trump, Pelosi, and Schumer, the one that led to this shut-down. I guess Pence was trying to conjugate Spanish verbs then: "Me gusta mucho el caviar. ¿Te gusta tambien el caviar, Señorita España? El sabor es muy especial."
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