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Old 19th Jan 2019, 00:32
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 00:59
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Watching events unfold from across the pond, it seems like Donald Trump is doing okay. He is in the news every day, there have been some very high profile meetings with leaders other Presidents would have refused to meet, and the economy seems to be relatively okay deapote the constant threats of trade wars with all and sundry. The government shutdown seems to be another ploy of some sort. Five billion dollars for improved border defences sounds like a lot but the State of California is having to find thirty billion dollars to deal with just one wildfire incident that wiped out the city of Paradise. Compared to the other huge amounts paid out for the military and other project, it seems like the government shutdown was engineered to throw Trump in a bad light. As for all the collusion, corruption and sex stories, you don't get to be a seventy year old billionaire without getting your hands dirty. Just where would the USA be now if Hillary Clinton had been elected with her hubby free to roam through the White House in search of fresh young interns?
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 02:15
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"Well first of all, keeping Hillary out of the Oval Office was a worthwhile objective, a view shared by many US voters"

I thought democracy was about doing what the MAJORITY of voters want, which in this case was HRC!
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 02:29
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Guess we have something in common with Australia then.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 03:42
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Early on in Watergate, Woodward and Bernstein had their famous "WOODSTEIN!!!" moment. Got their wires crossed with a secondary source trying to confirm some secret grand-jury testimony, got ahead of their confirmed facts, and were embarassed. That may or may not be the case in the Buzzfeed story.

As we know, that foul-up resulted in the immediate cessation of all investigations, no articles of Impeachment, and Nixon serving out his 8 years. Right? R-i-g-h-t.
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WC - "snarky attitude?" Methinks you're being a bit of a snowflake here. Gosh, you'd think I'd called ob a "contard" or some such.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 05:34
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Oh well ....

It turns out to just be a gun, not a smoking gun. After all, we do have ever-dependable Rudy Giuliani freaking out on TV the other day and telling us Version 8.1 or so of Trumpreality™, namely that there was collusion at the top of the Trump campaign that had nothing to do with Trump himself. Trump, who has been described repeatedly as a micro-manager by those close to him, supposedly missed a key detail of what his campaign, what even his son Donald, Jr., was up to with the Russians: collusion.

It looks as if Rudy bought this story from Buzzfeed, perhaps because he already knew what Cohen had been told to do by Trump. He then spilled the beans trying to get ahead of it, just as he did previously with the story about hush money paid on behalf of the Trump campaign to those two tarts. He did not say that there was high-level participation in collusion though. He simply retreated from having said, repeatedly, that there was none. He's painted himself into a corner now where he wants us to believe that collusion is not a crime and that while Trump's campaign manager might have done it, it was done without Trump's knowledge. This is going the same way as Rudy's last try at managing the news, when he told us exactly how the hush money had been paid on behalf of the Trump campaign to Stormy Daniels. The way Rudy tried to spin that, it was an illegal campaign contribution made by Cohen on behalf of Trump, but without Trump's knowledge. That was literally incredible.

Now we have another Rudy retreat from reality, another illegal deed done on behalf of Trump, but without Trump's knowledge. It would be nice to have had this served up hot on a silver platter by Buzzfeed, but that turns out to be too much to hope for. On the other hand, if this latest Rudygasm turns out the way the last one did, he just indirectly told us that, yes, Trump was colluding with Russians.

One interesting detail is another Trump slip of the tongue, when he had denied any collusion with what sounded like "the Russian people." That is something different from "the Russian government," isn't it? (That is like Slick Willy with his "what the meaning of 'is' is," I guess, except that Trump is much clumsier with words.) We just took that for Trump being Trump and not speaking clearly, but he might have been trying to be a bit tricky, giving another non-answer to a question about what he'd been up to with the Russian government, not the Russian people: two very different things. On the other hand, there I go, somewhat contradicting my own firm belief that the man is a moron who simply can not speak straight.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 05:49
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
Early on in Watergate, Woodward and Bernstein had their famous "WOODSTEIN!!!" moment. Got their wires crossed with a secondary source trying to confirm some secret grand-jury testimony, got ahead of their confirmed facts, and were embarassed. That may or may not be the case in the Buzzfeed story.

As we know, that foul-up resulted in the immediate cessation of all investigations, no articles of Impeachment, and Nixon serving out his 8 years. Right? R-i-g-h-t.
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I don’t see the equivalence you do to Watergate. Mueller’s team has discredited the buzzfeed story. One of the authors has a history of laying out whoppers, he has network anchor material written all over him. As a CNN talking head said tonight, it was a bad day for the media.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 06:00
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It turns out to just be a gun, not a smoking gun.
This was your teachable moment Chuks, whether you choose to learn something from it is up to you. Instead of relying on anonymous sources and questionable media outlets, keep your powder dry and wait for Mueller to finish. If then Trump did something impeachable, then impeach. If not, then you can scream pu$$ygraber, he was mean to McCain, he cancelled Nancy’s plane, etc.

I know deep down, from a dirty tricks playbook perspective, you secretly admired Trump cancelling her plane. I disagree though, he should have cancellled it after she got there.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 08:34
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Dream on ....

WC, I have had some real dickheads as pax, but I never thought to leave one stranded somewhere. I don't see the Air Force leaving a congressional delegation stranded in Afghanistan.

Personally, I did not find that move by Trump to be a clever one, especially since the Air Force is not laboring under this shut-down. Then there was his own, similar trip, plus Melanie's trip to Florida using an SAM aircraft. I think he did that off the top of his bouffant.

I do not need to "scream" about any of this. Giuliani is the screamer, while Trump increasingly rants, showing a complete lack of focus. Show me one little post from the anti-Trump contingent here that comes at all close to what we get from those two drama queens. As no less than William S. Burroughs called it, those utterances are like the "screams of a wounded faggot." (If you do not know who Burroughs was, read up on that before you try to play the homophobia card. He was a junkie queer, a perverted genius novelist, because "gay" had not been invented yet.)
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 11:05
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
Watching events unfold from across the pond, it seems like Donald Trump is doing okay. He is in the news every day, there have been some very high profile meetings with leaders other Presidents would have refused to meet, and the economy seems to be relatively okay deapote the constant threats of trade wars with all and sundry. The government shutdown seems to be another ploy of some sort. Five billion dollars for improved border defences sounds like a lot but the State of California is having to find thirty billion dollars to deal with just one wildfire incident that wiped out the city of Paradise. Compared to the other huge amounts paid out for the military and other project, it seems like the government shutdown was engineered to throw Trump in a bad light. As for all the collusion, corruption and sex stories, you don't get to be a seventy year old billionaire without getting your hands dirty. Just where would the USA be now if Hillary Clinton had been elected with her hubby free to roam through the White House in search of fresh young interns?
Well said GOULI, fairly much my thoughts as an onlooker to the USofA political scene.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 14:22
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GOULI,

There must be a heavy layer of fog between your side of the pond and our side of the pond. To explain, I will let you read for yourself what a highly respected conservative columnist wrote about Trump which appeared in the Washington Post this morning. If you would like to know more about George Will, just click on his name at the top of his commentary....

The shabbiest U.S. president ever is an inexpressibly sad specimen

George F. Will
Half or a quarter of the way through this interesting experiment with an incessantly splenetic presidency, much of the nation has become accustomed to daily mortifications. Or has lost its capacity for embarrassment, which is even worse.

If the country’s condition is calibrated simply by economic data — if, that is, the United States is nothing but an economy — then the state of the union is good. Except that after two years of unified government under the party that formerly claimed to care about fiscal facts and rectitude, the nation faces a $1 trillion deficit during brisk growth and full employment. Unless the president has forever banished business cycles — if he has, his modesty would not have prevented him from mentioning it — the next recession will begin with gargantuan deficits, which will be instructive.

The president has kept his promise not to address the unsustainable trajectory of the entitlement state (about the coming unpleasant reckoning, he said: “Yeah, but I won’t be here”), and his party’s congressional caucuses have elevated subservience to him into a political philosophy. The Republican-controlled Senate — the world’s most overrated deliberative body — will not deliberate about, much less pass, legislation the president does not favor. The evident theory is that it would be lèse-majesté for the Senate to express independent judgments.

And that senatorial dignity is too brittle to survive the disapproval of a president not famous for familiarity with actual policies. Congressional Republicans have their ears to the ground — never mind Winston Churchill’s observation that it is difficult to look up to anyone in that position.

The president’s most consequential exercise of power has been the abandonment of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, opening the way for China to fill the void of U.S. involvement. His protectionism — government telling Americans what they can consume, in what quantities and at what prices — completes his extinguishing of the limited-government pretenses of the GOP, which needs an entirely new vocabulary. Pending that, the party is resorting to crybaby conservatism: We are being victimized by “elites,” markets, Wall Street, foreigners, etc.

After 30 years of U.S. diplomatic futility regarding North Korea’s nuclear weapons program, the artist of the deal spent a few hours in Singapore with Kim Jong Un, then tweeted: “There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea.” What price will the president pay — easing sanctions? ending joint military exercises with South Korea? — in attempts to make his tweet seem less dotty?

By his comportment, the president benefits his media detractors with serial vindications of their disparagements. They, however, have sunk to his level of insufferable self-satisfaction by preening about their superiority to someone they consider morally horrifying and intellectually cretinous. For most Americans, President Trump’s expostulations are audible wallpaper, always there but not really noticed. Still, the ubiquity of his outpourings in the media’s outpourings gives American life its current claustrophobic feel. This results from many journalists considering him an excuse for a four-year sabbatical from thinking about anything other than the shiny thing that mesmerizes them by dangling himself in front of them.

Dislike of him should be tempered by this consideration: He is an almost inexpressibly sad specimen. It must be misery to awaken to another day of being Donald Trump. He seems to have as many friends as his pluperfect self-centeredness allows, and as he has earned in an entirely transactional life. His historical ignorance deprives him of the satisfaction of working in a house where much magnificent history has been made. His childlike ignorance — preserved by a lifetime of single-minded self-promotion — concerning governance and economics guarantees that whenever he must interact with experienced and accomplished people, he is as bewildered as a kindergartener at a seminar on string theory.

Which is why this fountain of self-refuting boasts (“I have a very good brain”) lies so much. He does so less to deceive anyone than to reassure himself. And as balm for his base, which remains oblivious to his likely contempt for them as sheep who can be effortlessly gulled by preposterous fictions. The tungsten strength of his supporters’ loyalty is as impressive as his indifference to expanding their numbers.

Either the electorate, bored with a menu of faintly variant servings of boorishness, or the 22nd Amendment will end this, our shabbiest but not our first shabby presidency. As Mark Twain and fellow novelist William Dean Howells stepped outside together one morning, a downpour began and Howells asked, “Do you think it will stop?” Twain replied, “It always has.”
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 14:38
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Note that Will mentions nothing about record low unemployment, record minority employment, a solid economy, initiatives addressing black incarceration, so many more positives. Will misses the mark.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 15:58
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"Note that Will mentions nothing about record low unemployment, record minority employment, a solid economy, initiatives addressing black incarceration, so many more positives."

None of which have anything to do with Trump as far as I can see, but are the products of American science, research, social change and work-ethic, which predate Trump by many years.
America has a great deal lot to be proud of and unfortunately quite a bit to be ashamed of (like most countries).

The $1 trillion deficit is not a good omen for the future, no matter under which party.

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Old 19th Jan 2019, 16:05
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You inferring a President has little nothing to do, good or bad with the health of the economy? You've some learning left to do wrt how the US economy operates.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 16:27
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If the statement from Muellers office, one of, if not the only, blackest hole in investigative history in Washington, does not give you pause to think those that know were concerned enough to break silence in no uncertain way to stop in its tracks the latest how low can you go story, then you perhaps should examine the ground you stand on.

Lets wait and see what the actual investigation turns up regarding Trump himself.

I do believe that if God himself had beaten Hillary in the last election, everyone from the Pope on up would be royally ticked off if given the same treatment.

Why aren’t all the regular folks on here up in arms that Congress, both houses, all sides, have been given at last the opportunity to rewrite our asinine immigration laws, bring them up to date to help farmers bring in harvest help, tech companies bring in qualified folks to help this Country grow, instead of throwing temper tantrums. This lawmaking is what their job is, not the Presidents.

Not as self serving as bashing Trump I guess. When he is gone in 2 or 6 years, the problem will still be with us, along with probably another million or so illegal immigrants.

And we all be still be in keyboard warrior mode, accomplishing absolutely nothing.

Brilliant!
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 16:45
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“Note that Will mentions nothing about record low unemployment, record minority employment, a solid economy,”

Which is all part of a normal pump and dump economic cycle and the direct result of a massively leveraged and corrupt financial sector that permits debt based consumer spending and institutionalized Government debt that now exceeds 20 trillion dollars on the books and possibly as high as 60 trillion in debt when unfunded liabilities are included.

To put it another way, the US consumer only benefits from massive debt loads that exceed the entire global GDP.

And while this is happening, the bonuses paid to the top executives of the banking sector almost double the entire country’s wages bill.

To put it mildly, the US is in a world of s$#& and when the economy blows up, which it will, its going to be very nasty.

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Old 19th Jan 2019, 16:56
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West Coast,
I think George Will covers that in his second paragraph:
If the country’s condition is calibrated simply by economic data — if, that is, the United States is nothing but an economy — then the state of the union is good. Except that after two years of unified government under the party that formerly claimed to care about fiscal facts and rectitude, the nation faces a $1 trillion deficit during brisk growth and full employment. Unless the president has forever banished business cycles — if he has, his modesty would not have prevented him from mentioning it — the next recession will begin with gargantuan deficits, which will be instructive.
And so many more as you point out, accomplishments by Trump, LOL! He did appoint two USSC judges, but that's part of his job as I understand the POTUS role and responsibilities. But, It seems that Trump would rather go and commiserate with the Kimster and Putin rather than seriously communicate with our Congress on pressing domestic issues.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 17:00
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WC, I think you have a lot of learning to do. Period.
I hope it doesn't hurt as much as it usually does.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 18:12
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
West Coast,
I think George Will covers that in his second paragraph:

And so many more as you point out, accomplishments by Trump, LOL! He did appoint two USSC judges, but that's part of his job as I understand the POTUS role and responsibilities. But, It seems that Trump would rather go and commiserate with the Kimster and Putin rather than seriously communicate with our Congress on pressing domestic issues.
“Pressing domestic issues” really? Like the immigration reform needed since 1986, that’s obviously not pressing. Congress is in the business of making its members millionaires, not dealing with minor things that affect most of the country.
if it was, Maxine Waters and OCA would NOT be on the Finance Commitee, period.

Hey, we elect them, best Government other peoples money (read pet personal peeves, Stayer, Koch, et al) can buy.

Why bitch about it, we do it to ourselves every time, I believe when one stops banging ones head against a wall it doesn’t hurt anymore, guess the voters didn’t get the message.
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Old 19th Jan 2019, 23:10
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Originally Posted by Mac the Knife View Post
WC, I think you have a lot of learning to do. Period.
I hope it doesn't hurt as much as it usually does.
Not from a feckless foreigner whose understanding of the US economy come from jet blast. If you had an intelligent reply regarding the relationship between the President and the state of the economy, you would have used it. You clearly didn't as surely you know I'm correct.

Stick to performing elective surgery, as the finer points of the US economy have eluded you.
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