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Old 18th Jan 2019, 01:15
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 03:53
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Not related to the more famous Jimmy Dean, I assume ....

Eddie, ask your tribal elder to help you with your English before you ask him to work his juju long-distance on me. (If you believe in that kind of stuff you might want to watch your step. I can find some tribal elder of my own from Yorubaland who can ask Shango to fry your good self with a bolt of lightning, no trouble.)

Technically, Trump does need an invitation from the Speaker of the House in order to appear in the House chamber to give his Snake of the Uniom speech in person. The other day he seemed to be hinting that he would appear uninvited to give the speech. That could be interesting.

Also technically, the shutdown does not affect any branch of the military aside from the Coast Guard. (In peacetime the Coast Guard is under the DHS, so that it is going unfunded now due to the shutdown.) This means that Trump's grounds for cancelling this Congressional trip abroad are fake; the Air Force is fully funded.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 04:51
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A legal friend was telling me, that if the President shows up in the Congressional chamber uninvited, that the Speaker has the right to order the Sergeant-at-Arms to usher him off the premises or at least from the chamber.. Can you imagine that? What would the Secret Service do?

Is this correct? At the very least, it is a dive into the arcane recesses of Congressional rules, This is getting interesting.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 05:22
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Fred, the brief version would be that Trump (as President) is free to enter the House Chamber at any time.

Pelosi controls 1) whether the House is "In Session" or just an empty (and possibly dark) room, 2) whether Senators are invited and allowed in (requires a joint resolution, and some furniture rearranging), and 3) whether the chamber's TV cameras are on.

To speak at all when the House is in session has to follow parliamentary rules: requests to be recognized, etc. Trump would be "gavelled to order" if he just started shouting from the back for the room, and if he persisted, the House could just be voted into Recess, leaving him in the dark empty room anyway (rather than evicting him). If no-one is there, it may be possible for the President to bring his own lights and cameras, talk to the camera, and then "tweet" the speech from his own SD-card.

The Constitutional requirement is only that the President shall, from time to time, report to the Congress on the state of the Union. It has been done just via a letter, but not in living memory.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 05:43
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In other news, Buzzfeed is reporting, on the basis of unnamed law-enforcement officials, that Mueller has evidence, in the form of interviews with Trump Organization employees and "documents," that state that Trump directed his lawyer Michael Cohen to lie to Congress in 2017, while Trump held the office of President. And that Cohen, in talks with investigators, has confirmed this. The subject of the lies was Trump's business dealings regarding a "Trump Tower" in Moscow. Cohen was sworned in and under oath when he delivered those lies.

If substantiated, that means that as President, Trump suborned perjury. A felony. And effectively, the primary charge that brought down Nixon; he had directed the CIA to lie to the FBI about Watergate, and directed associates going before investigators to "just tell them you don't remember."

Coincidentally, earlier this week when Trump's own nominee for Attorney General was undergoing confirmation hearings, he was asked point-blank whether subordination of perjury would be a crime, even if done by a President. He said "Yes." The question was asked by Sen. Amy Klobuchar - one wonders if a little bird whispered something in her ear.

Depending on the nature of the "documents," which may include subpoenaed Trump Org emails, this may (emphasize "may") also involve Trump's adult children. The documents may also, of course, include Cohen's emails and recordings of phone conversations, seized during his arrest last year.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 06:07
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The nominee for Attorney General, William Barr, has pointed out that the Mueller report is to be delivered in confidence to the Attorney General, who can then decide how much, if any, of it to release. Keeping the report hidden would not be politically workable, at a guess. Then there is some input from Rudy Giuliani, that the report should be gone over by the White House first, to correct any "mistakes" they might find in it.

This spat between Trump and Pelosi should escalate further, I suppose. Going by what the last two posts tell us this could end up as a farce, Trump appearing uninvited to find a chamber only half-full, with no Speaker and no Democrats in attendance. I would not put that past him, pulling a Maduro-lite. Come to think of it, maybe he could get that military parade he has wanted for so long, making his way from the White House to the Capitol at the head of an armored column to force his way in. Wouldn't that be a hit with his base, showing them libtards who is boss!

Better yet, Trump in an M1A2 Abrams with the new Urban Survival Kit, flanked by 100 pickup trucks all flying American flags and "rolling coal."
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 07:18
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Still sad. So very very sad

With English as my second language I reckon it's pretty good. But what would a Balanda like Chuck know of tribal people.
It appears that Mr Trump knows how to fight the born to rule folk in the USofA.

The closest we have had in Australia to a shutdown was in the mid seventies, when the conservative opposition had the numbers to block supply.
Was in the Aust Army at the time and if I recall correctly had no pay for a couple of weeks.

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Old 18th Jan 2019, 07:31
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Thanks Pattern for that explanation. That would be quite the spectacle were he to show up at the House went into recess.

One wonders that if there is a case subordination of perjury described in Mueller's upcoming (whenever that might be) report and Mr. Barr tries to deep six it, whether there will then be a major leak from a staff member. One would think at that point a good citizen working on the case would feel compelled to air the laundry. Always tricky, to be in a whistle blower role, but for heaven's sake one is describing a potential felony by the POTUS.

It will be interesting to see what the ALB offers up as a defence against the Buzzfeed reporting. Lies, obfuscation, and deflection at the least, but this might require some creativity...

Chuks, that parade would not be complete without a band--76 trombones and all that. If he is going to order that armoured column to march on the Capitol, then it certainly should have a musical accompaniment.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 07:43
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Just read the Buzzfield article. I can guess as what the defence will be. Not that I support these mind you, just guessing as to what they can be.

A) Cohen is a proven liar so how can one believe him now?
B) This is being generated by the fake news media
C) Jerry Falwell Jr will step in and say that the Holy Saviour would, and indeed does, advocate lying in this case and that Trump is the chosen vessel, however cracked, of the aforementioned Saviour and is doing his work on earth. This will be lapped up by a portion of the base with racous cheers
D) Benghazi. Clinton. Obama. Witch hunt. Lawless FBI.

A start anyway.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 08:53
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Wanna see my bark paintings?

Eddie, that might be part of the problem, that you think your long-distance, semi-tribalized ponderings on all things Trump are "pretty good." Well, they are not pretty, and not very good either, but do carry on; this is Jet Blast. That you do not see Trump as one of the "born-to-rule" just shows how out of touch you are with American reality. I guessed you missed the part where he claimed membership in our elite.

As to what I know of "tribal people," Eddie, I can tell you that I have worked with members of quite a few different tribes during my time on the Dark Continent, including the well-known Plastic Ozzies.(I shall not, dare not, relate what they had to tell me about the tribe you claim part-membership in! It was not flattering.) Then there were my sojourns among the Rednecks, the Crackers, the Chicken-Shaggers, the fake Vietnam Vets, the Ramp Rats, the Amerindians, the Gays, the Third Wave Feminists (a/k/a Feminazis), the Trannies, the Leather Boys, the Colombian Mafia, the Harley Moles, the Hippies ... suffice it to say that I do know a lot of different tribes, including my very own Libtards, they who now consider me a renegade, the bastards. (Move over, WC; I'm waxing down my surfboard and trying to find a Trump 2020 sticker for my woodie.)
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 10:16
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Eddie Dean

Was in the Aust Army at the time and if I recall correctly had no pay for a couple of weeks.
I don't think so.

I was working in Department of Finance at the time and was a very junior member of a team that developed contingency plans to be implemented IF the government had run out of appropriated funds.

Those plans were never implemented.

No missed payments for invoices.

No missed salary payments.

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Old 18th Jan 2019, 11:07
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What would happen if Mueller posted his report on the internet?
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 11:18
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Originally Posted by layman View Post
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I don't think so.

I was working in Department of Finance at the time and was a very junior member of a team that developed contingency plans to be implemented IF the government had run out of appropriated funds.

Those plans were never implemented.

No missed payments for invoices.

No missed salary payments.

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Thanks layman. Memories can be like that sometimes
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 12:48
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Nearly two years ago I wrote:

"If I were Putin and wanted to seriously damage the USA for minimal risk and expense, I would have set up an long-term operation to try and get a hard/alt-right President elected as 45.

Very low-risk plan, check-out the possibles. Lets see, there's this cuckoo and there's that nut-job and finally someone says "Why not Trump?". After the laughter dies down, someone says, "Do you think he'll bite? Bit risky for him with all the shady deals he's into with some of our bad boys?" "True," says Putin, "but he's very ignorant and very vain - ideal, in fact, as we already have plenty of kompromat on him - let's plant some seeds and see what happens. If he doesn't bite I can think of a few others we could try. Lets face it, any Republican would be better that that Clinton bitch."

"And if we fail and she wins anyway?", "Then we've lost nothing, but if we can get some dumb far-right Republican yahoo in then we're off to the races - we won't have to do anything much and America will obligingly tear itself to bits. And WE can pick up the pieces. A President like that would be so divisive that American democracy will never recover - suka, blyad!".

So they got Trump in - and after a bit they began to realise that they'd struck the mother-lode, far far better than they had ever dreamed of or hoped for . . ."


First of all, my apologies to dumb far-right American yahoos - I don't think that there is anything you could have done that would have betrayed the American people so odiously - but it seems like I was more prescient than I ever would have thought....

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Old 18th Jan 2019, 12:59
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I can not imagine that this Mueller report will stay hidden, no matter whether or not it is supposed to be confidential, top secret, or whatever. I assume that it will be released to Congress, so that it's pretty sure to leak from one or another of the staffers for 535 different legislators.

In fact, we have already seen leaks of written questions Mueller has posed to Trump, when many commentators assume that the leaks came from someone on the side of Trump. In any case, it's plain that leaks do occur, for whatever reason.

If this latest "bombshell" about collusion proves to be as ineffective as all the other bombshells that preceded it, going way back to bombshells that surfaced during the campaign such as that tape where Trump boasted of how he could do sex assaults, and then the fact of Trump's sex adventure with Stormy Daniels ... this guy has more lives than a cat that has to make do with only 9 of them!

Someone should start a book on how many more days Trump lasts in office. Remember that Nixon got away with 5 1/2 years when you pick a number.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 15:31
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(8 x 365) + 2 leapdays
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 17:04
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Ahh, ob, exercising your Washington State right to smoke weed, I see.

Now that people have seen Trumpo in action, the Blue Wall is back - and energized: Walker - GONE!, Ryan - GONE!, Snyder - GONE! Tom Wolf held his seat in PA with 58% of the vote.

Nevertheless, a prediction is the best way to test a theory - we'll see how yours holds up in Nov. 2020.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 17:17
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
Ahh, ob, exercising your Washington State right to smoke weed, I see.

Now that people have seen Trumpo in action, the Blue Wall is back - and energized: Walker - GONE!, Ryan - GONE!, Snyder - GONE! Tom Wolf held his seat in PA with 58% of the vote.

Nevertheless, a prediction is the best way to test a theory - we'll see how yours holds up in Nov. 2020.

Guess that matches your Colorado right to smoke weed. Your snarky attitude matches the prevailing attitude of the left (and many on the right) during the primaries during which Trump’s chances were discounted. Same said for the General when Hillary’s coronation was all but guaranteed, that is until it wasn’t guaranteed.


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Old 18th Jan 2019, 17:25
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Vlad's Chosen President

Well first of all, keeping Hillary out of the Oval Office was a worthwhile objective, a view shared by many US voters

Once you have a wrecking ball in the WH, you don't really need puppet strings
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 22:19
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It will be interesting to see what the ALB offers up as a defence against the Buzzfeed reporting. Lies, obfuscation, and deflection at the least, but this might require some creativity...

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I wouldn’t bet the farm on the buzzfeed piece. One of the co-authors of the article, Jason Leopold has a “checkered past” his words, not mine. He’s had articles called into question, Salon (not a friend of the right) had to retract an article by him as they couldn’t verify it (why publish it to begin with). According to him Karl Rove was to be indicted in 2006, obviously that never happened. So far, to my knowledge no other media outlet has substantiated the charge.

This could be a matter of sacrificing truth in favor of “breaking news”.

Could there be a “there” there? Sure, the whole broken clock thing, it’s possible. I just wouldn’t confidently hold this up as the aha moment you lefties are hoping it is.
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