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Old 14th Jan 2019, 18:30
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Yeah, what-aboutery, but, really, what about Trump and the Russians? Focus, WC: Trump is the President so that the "what about" of what he's up to matters a hell of a lot more than whatever some junior legislator from New York gets up to.

Seriously, WC, Trump is knee-deep in deals with shady Russians, yet you want us to ponder this woman not paying Workmen's Comp? I am pretty sure she'll have her spell under the magnifying glass if she really gains a following, when this screw-up will be the least of it. Why, we just saw her dancing, so what do you want to bet she's had love affairs too, the shameless hussy! The National Enquirer is on her trail already, I bet, looking for something that will put the God-botherers in a real tizz. Mother Pence she obviously is not ....
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 20:27
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donald trump..........laughable.......a disgrace....

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Old 14th Jan 2019, 20:51
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Originally Posted by slack View Post
donald trump..........laughable.......a disgrace....

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Schumer/Pelosi....laughable...how many other presidents have had us under a govt shutdown....do go into politics on this one...
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 21:05
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
Yeah, what-aboutery, but, really, what about Trump and the Russians? Focus, WC: Trump is the President so that the "what about" of what he's up to matters a hell of a lot more than whatever some junior legislator from New York gets up to.

Seriously, WC, Trump is knee-deep in deals with shady Russians, yet you want us to ponder this woman not paying Workmen's Comp? I am pretty sure she'll have her spell under the magnifying glass if she really gains a following, when this screw-up will be the least of it. Why, we just saw her dancing, so what do you want to bet she's had love affairs too, the shameless hussy! The National Enquirer is on her trail already, I bet, looking for something that will put the God-botherers in a real tizz. Mother Pence she obviously is not ....
I am focused, I have a man looking into that, his name is Mueller. When his report comes back it’ll no doubt be the focus of the thread for quite some time.

In the big scheme, the penalty for her screw up coming so early in her elected career shows a lack of attention to detail. Imagine if smiling Joe picks her as his running mate, the number of gaffs....it’ll be a big F’in deal to watch.

I think your safe from from that nightmare Chuks, Biden’s wife won’t allow given the young congresswoman is fairly attractive (till she opens her mouth) and Joe has a penchant for being creepy around the woman folk.

That and she’s from New York State, which is already in the bag for the left.

You being of the older generation I’m curious are you all in with her socialist agenda? The older Dems I ask are more of the traditional tax ‘em and spend Dem party and not true socialists.
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 21:17
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 21:46
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Biden was caught a long time ago cribbing a speech from Neil Kinnock. Who knows what the ninny was thinking when he did that, perhaps that nobody on his side of the Atlantic could possibly know anything about what went on across the water. (It was some sort of doofus thing about his family having all been coal miners who lived in a scrape by the side of the road, something like the "two Yorkshiremen" that read as phony as phony could be as family background for an American.) Anyway, he was caught being a real fool, and that was about that for Joe Biden, since he came across as a total lightweight.

I'm not even a Democrat. The thing about Obama is that he is a politician, so that he knew how to "be presidential," where Trump has not a clue. You watch clips of Obama trying to do impromptu, speaking without a teleprompter, and you can see that he's actually pretty clumsy at that. On the other hand, he did not go around being totally offensive to our allies while toadying to our enemies, in the style of Trump.

I have a relative who radiated hatred of George W. Bush. I sometimes kid him about whether he misses W. now, though. I am sure he does, compared to Trump, but he has no sense of humor about this at all.
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 22:15
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I'm not even a Democrat
Look at that, we have something in common!

You might want to start warming up to Biden, his may be the other name on the ballot a little less than two years from now.

Ms. Alexandria’s political career will be ending that same election.



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Old 14th Jan 2019, 23:11
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"Air traffic controllers in Canada are sending hundreds of pizzas to their US counterparts who are working through the federal government shutdown.
A collection started by employees had blossomed into an industry-wide show of solidarity.
By Sunday afternoon, more than 300 pizzas had been delivered to 49 control centres across the US, estimated Peter Duffy, the president of the Canadian Air Traffic Control Association." bbc
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 00:06
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
"Air traffic controllers in Canada are sending hundreds of pizzas to their US counterparts who are working through the federal government shutdown.
A collection started by employees had blossomed into an industry-wide show of solidarity.
By Sunday afternoon, more than 300 pizzas had been delivered to 49 control centres across the US, estimated Peter Duffy, the president of the Canadian Air Traffic Control Association." bbc

That's like feeding free doughnuts to cops. it reduces their alertness and makes them sleepy

A jar of ghost peppers would be better to snack on
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 03:26
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Originally Posted by ironbutt57 View Post
Schumer/Pelosi....laughable...how many other presidents have had us under a govt shutdown....do go into politics on this one...


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Old 15th Jan 2019, 04:49
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U.S. ambassador to Germany a mini-Trump?

Chuks,

What think ye about Mr. Grenell's letters to German firms requesting (cough cough cough) that they not participate in the Nord Stream 2 project. Hmmm. He can dictate how and where a sovereign nation procures its energy supply? Will the Germans fold like a cheap tent or actually show some spine on this one?
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 06:10
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Good question, Fred. The threat made is that German companies participating in Nord Stream 2 might find themselves targeted for violations of US sanctions.

I assume those sanctions follow from the Magnitsky Act. If so, the joke would be that this same act was Topic A, or so it seems, for that meeting in Trump Tower. The most negative interpretation of that meeting is that there was a deal being worked on then between Trump's people and the Russian government: Russian help with the election should result in Trump's help in easing sanctions. (You may remember that the Trump cover-up was that adoption of orphans was what was supposedly being discussed then. That is actually a side issue that has to do with the Magnitsky Act.)

Angela Merkel has chosen to avoid provoking Trump, so far. On the personal level we can see that this powerful, highly intelligent and highly educated, somewhat dumpy-looking and very married woman is not at all attractive to Trump, so that there is that. Having to sit there across from some woman who obviously is far above himself is clearly intensely annoying to Trump; just look at his body language as he sat there slumped over doing his worst best to ignore her as she tried to cajole him into a handshake. Not least, he can't use his favorite tactic of mauling his partner's hand to show male dominance then. Then there is the contrast between Trump's half-ass degree from Wharton and Merkel's PhD in quantum chemistry, so that if some evil German scientists had been working on an anti-Trump, human Kryptonite, Angela Merkel would have been the result.

No raging bromance is there to be found between Trump and Merkel, in contrast to how Trump first responded to French President Macron with that wonderful parade in Paris, not to mention Brigitte, his surprisingly fit, 24 years older wife. "So what?" is what a reasonable person would think, but that would be wrong; Trump responds very strongly to the superficial, so that his having to put up with this terrible woman is the fault, basically, of Germany. That means that Germany is not catching any breaks with Trump, when Nord Stream 2 makes a perfect target.

It's quite true that Germany is highly dependent upon Russian gas. (Guess what is keeping me warm as I write these words, probably.) Nord Stream 2 is going to increase that dependence, and as a side effect it is going to make it easier for Russia to put the squeeze on the Ukraine, since some existing gas pipelines run through there.

On the other hand, is this recent threat from the US ambassador going to stop the project? Probably not, but Trump will be able to show that here he is being "very, very tough on Russia." Tough on Germany too, which is fine with Trump for reasons I just went into, silly reasons but then Trump is a silly man. So this is a win-win for Trump.

Oddly enough, it might turn out to be a boost for the project, since Trump recently finished behind the Black Death in a German popularity contest. (As it was, seeing Gerhard Schröder attending a birthday party for Vladimir Putin did not go over very well at all, since Schröder, a former Chancellor, is now the head of Nord Stream AG. It is easy to imagine that the man is in Putin's pocket, but hey ... big bucks, plus he is out of office. Gerhard is a busy boy; he recently married for the fifth time. "Love 'em and leave 'em," seems to be what he is about, so that crawling into bed with Putin is not out of character for this former career leftist politician.)

I think this letter from Grenell is just some "show of force" that will not stop the project, although it might well impede it. In true Trump fashion, given the way the poor man keeps tripping over his own feet, if it comes out that he'd been trying to stymie the same sanctions he's now threatening Germany with (that Trump Tower meeting, remember?) then that might be pretty awkward. Too complicated for the jerks who back Trump to understand, but useful for those who want to move against him. Then that win-win could turn into a lose-lose.

To cut to the chase, Fred, no, I do not see Germany responding to the letter in a meaningful way that should stop the pipeline. On the other hand, is Angela Merkel going to respond to Trump with open defiance? "Probably not," is my guess. I assume there shall be more complaints about the proper role of the US ambassador, when making such threats is not what he really should be doing, but not much more than that from the German side.

If Trump needs a new distraction then this could blow up into a real stiff dispute, which could get pretty interesting, swapping a pipeline for a border wall. On the other hand, anything having to do with sanctions circles back to that mysterious meeting in Trump Tower.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 06:43
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Thank you Chuks. Your insight is much appreciated.

I was perhaps hasty in my question of whether the Germans would show some spine. While Merkel is indeed in the twilight of her political career, she is nothing if not patient and canny. She is far to disciplined to take the cheap bait that Trump is trying to get her to snap at.

I wonder though, if the annoyance from Trump and his snapping small dog ambassador becomes too great, that the BND will let some morsel out to "interested parties." Naturally I do not know what such a morsel could be, but certainly the BND has one eye facing East--particularly since the aforementioned bootlick and craven Schroeder seems to be Vlad's pal.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 09:03
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I would assume that the Germans know quite a bit about what Trump has been up to with Putin.

We know that the Russians have penetrated Germany pretty well so that it's logical to think that the Germans have put similar effort into spying on Russia, their greatest foe in Europe. Come to that, Trump's various moves against Germany have probably made him an object of regard for the Germans too.

Putin's old ID card from the East German Secret Police (the Stasi) recently showed up on the front page of the leading German red-top, Bild. Putin is fluent in his native Russian, of course, and also in German, since he was posted in Dresden with the KGB until the collapse of East Germany in 1989. Additionally Putin seems to have a better grasp of English than Trump, not that that is saying much.

Since that shows just some of the level of Russian knowledge about Germany it is logical that Germany must have had to match that with their own level of knowledge about Russia in general and now Putin in particular. (There is a whole generation of Germans who grew up being taught Russian as their first foreign language in school, Germans who grew up in East Germany. How many Americans have learned Russian?) Given this necessary German interest in Russia then all the encounters of Trump and his troupe of clowns with the Russians, particularly these mysterious meetings between Putin and Trump, must be of great interest to German intelligence.

In fact, it's logical that our own CIA has probably shared some intelligence with the German BND (Bundesnachrichtungsdienst), their foreign intelligence agency, that is unfavorable to Trump, simply because of Trump's obvious links to Russia. (The BND is said to be the world's largest foreign intelligence agency. It grew to this size during the Cold War with much support from the USA. Too, sneaking around, snooping, and denouncing people, has a long history in popular German culture. It starts with small children and carries on into adulthood. Ratting on the neighbors is just good fun here, as long as you don't get caught.) On the other hand, for various political and economic reasons, it is unlikely that Germany would put out such information openly. They probably do have a lot of dirt on Trump, but we are not going to be seeing much of that on the front page of Bild.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 09:10
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Speaking of how the current government shut down affects all walks of life, how about the devastating effect on the White House catering? It seems that while hosting a college football team, a lack of catering staff led to Trump having to order in 300 Big Macs, plus assorted pizzas, soft drinks etc. And Trump paid! (or so he says). Perhaps he could also pay for the families of government employees who have been affected by a need to find free food?
On a more serious not; I am wondering about how things work in the US government. From what I see in the press etc, Trump can't get the money for his beloved wall. He responds by refusing to sign off on a government spending bill, cutting off government spending. He recently was reported to be toying with the idea of declaring an emergency, which would allow him to divert other government funds toward the tab for his wall. Am I right so far? If I am understanding this correctly, this distills down to the President determining everything in terms of government funding, budgets etc. If Congress decides to spend x billion on different government and the President doesn't like it, it won't happen. On the other hand, the President can dip into and out of various existing budgets and divert funds to his pet cause. In other words, only the President can determine what funds go where. Isn't that somewhat akin to a dictatorship? The will of the elected government can be ignored but the whims of one person will apply? Why not go the whole hog and cut Congress out of the loop all together, leaving the President the sole arbiter of who gets what and when?
Note to WC (and others): I intend this as a genuine question from someone genuinely puzzled by the way you do politics over there; it is not intended as a dig at anyone.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 09:41
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That is so, but only "up to a point." For instance, there's loose talk about diverting emergency funds meant for Puerto Rico to building the wall. This is something that Trump is entitled to try, but could he get away with that, making one real emergency (hurricane damage to PR) less urgent than an invented one (the need to control a flood of illegals, drugs, etc. across our southern border)?

I was privileged to experience the consequences of presidential power when Reagan sacked all those Patco controllers for striking illegally. He'd been warned that doing that was going to cause ATC chaos, but he did it anyway, and he got away with that by blaming the controllers for going out on strike.

I had been swanning around Florida and its environs for eleven months, just popping up here and there and air-filing IFR flight plans when and as necessary. It worked fine, letting me go pretty much wherever I wanted in my little bug-smashers. Then I went away for a while, off to hillbilly country until I got a job in Africa. Part of that meant going back to Miami, when I filled in for a week for a friend flying a Twin Bonanza, hauling checks. I got a real shock when I tried to air-file an IFR flight plan as usual. Nope, one flight-plan per hour, to be filed prior to departure; no air-filing allowed, due to lack of controllers.

It was freaking chaos, as warned of, but that cheerful buffoon in Washington was able to sell this mess he helped create by claiming that he was protecting our American Way of Life from illegal strikers. Later I met one of those unfortunate strikers, reduced to part-timing in the White Man's Grave after having been banned from getting his old job back. The problems from what the strikers did, and from how Reagan handled that, went on for years, but the politics of it worked out okay for Reagan.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 09:41
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That is apparently how it works with a Trump, and spineless members of government.
Trump is working all the angles like a good mob boss for #mememe and # mywayorhighway.
Sometimes a benevolent dictatorship can work but that's not in the constitution and Trump's just not smart enough to make it work.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 12:23
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50,000 government workers ordered back to work.
Without pay.
trump is still saying even those off work really, really support his shutdown. Really.

Probably going to take some group like ATC to just stop, in order to force some adult behavior out of trump.
Right now it's very much - " government by "Ill hold my breath until I get what I want, so there".

Better hope something really nasty does not come along requiring adults to make sound decisions because there is a dearth of both and the US is close to,
if not already, among the laughing stocks of this world.
And that is dangerous.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 12:33
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If trump does use emergency funds for his wall I would expect someone will go to court to stop him. If all government spending is closed down the surely the Pres can't spend any money on lawyers and court costs to defend his plan...



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Old 16th Jan 2019, 13:13
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
On a more serious not; I am wondering about how things work in the US government. From what I see in the press etc, Trump can't get the money for his beloved wall. He responds by refusing to sign off on a government spending bill, cutting off government spending. He recently was reported to be toying with the idea of declaring an emergency, which would allow him to divert other government funds toward the tab for his wall. Am I right so far? If I am understanding this correctly, this distills down to the President determining everything in terms of government funding, budgets etc. If Congress decides to spend x billion on different government and the President doesn't like it, it won't happen. On the other hand, the President can dip into and out of various existing budgets and divert funds to his pet cause. In other words, only the President can determine what funds go where. Isn't that somewhat akin to a dictatorship? The will of the elected government can be ignored but the whims of one person will apply? Why not go the whole hog and cut Congress out of the loop all together, leaving the President the sole arbiter of who gets what and when?
You have the gist of it. The US House of Representatives is charged with initiating spending and tax legislation. They have to get the Senate to agree and there can be back and forth revisions between the House and Senate. When a final version passes both the House and Senate it goes to the President for his signature. What is worrisome even to some Republicans is if Trump set the precedent of using emergency powers for a budget event it could return to haunt them when a Democrat is in the office. And lead to the scenario you note above.
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