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Old 12th Jan 2019, 19:29
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Originally Posted by Hempy View Post
The President of the United States literally having a mental breakdown live on Twitter as we speak
Please tell me, please, for the sake of my Anerican friends and perhaps the Western world that those tweets are a joke... I mean surely they cannot be serious can they? This has to be some kind of spoof.
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Old 12th Jan 2019, 20:02
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Originally Posted by Hempy View Post
The graft and corruption is one thing, but treason is surely where the American public draw the line.
Here, Hempy Good Sir, I think you err. As I mentioned in a post somewhere above, after having seen "citizens" at a Trump rally wearing t-shirts that state that they would prefer to be Russian than a Democrat I am not sure that being a traitor is enough to peel away the base support from this man. It gets to a point where the "country" does not have the same meaning as the leader and in a cult-like arrangement such as this the leader will always get top billing.
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Old 12th Jan 2019, 20:10
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There is some question as to how many of Trump's tweets are actually written by him, and how many by an aide just keeping the pot stirred. But somehow I think an aide that made Trump look that psychotic without his approval wouldn't last long.

But even in his madness, Trump sometimes lets the truth leak out. "...former leaders of the FBI, almost all fired or forced to leave the agency for some very bad reasons..."

Indeed. Trump had very bad reasons for firing them or forcing them out. Now admitted....

BTW - that FBI investigation did not end. It has simply been subsumed into Mueller's investigation.
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Old 12th Jan 2019, 21:01
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
Please tell me, please, for the sake of my Anerican friends and perhaps the Western world that those tweets are a joke... I mean surely they cannot be serious can they? This has to be some kind of spoof.
The only person who could tweet that for Trump and not get fired would be Trump himself. So it has to be from him.

For Hempy
Treason doth never prosper? What's the Reason?
for if it prosper none dare call it treason. ~ John Harington:
I am guessing that someone's making a buck out of all of this sound and fury. Given that each president since Reagan has refused to be held accountable to the Article IV requirements, see my post to chuks a day or so back, getting the charge of "treason" to stick might be hard ... but that won't stop some from trying. There's a process for that.

Not sure if you are keeping up with the political noise in America, but there are a number of people who are keen on getting the impeachment bus rolling for Trump as was done for WJ Clinton 20 years ago. For Bill it was a blow job, for Don it's dealings with the Russians.
I was cooking some pasta Friday night and what did I see on ABC TV as I prepared dinner? A "special" news program about Bill Clinton, Monica Blowinsky, and the impeachment thing when Bill was president. Maybe someone is seeding the garden for a political move of that kind.

We'll see what high crimes and misdemeanors are presented as reasons to impeach. Give it time.
It's a political process, so bring your grain of salt. They still might try it even though the senate votes are not as yet lined up due to partisan splits.
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Old 12th Jan 2019, 23:41
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Oh, I think both parties have learned the lesson of the Clinton Impeachment - when it was all over, it was GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich who was gone. Not Clinton.

But every Party will have its hotheads, especially in the House. And especially the "new kids" who haven't yet learned the ropes - of which there are quite a few this time around (new kids, not ropes).

"Treason" in the U.S. has a very strict definition: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

It really takes "tinfoil-hat-ism" on the level of the John Birch Society to apply "treason" to a President (or almost anyone else), given the wide powers for diplomacy and setting other policy, and absent a declared "War" or "Enemy". Lonewolf_50 has a legitimate gripe, but at worst it would come out as "dereliction of duty" or "violations of the Oath of Office" or some such. Even violating the Constitution is not, in itself, grounds for a charge of treason - tain't levying War or "adhering to enemies". It may well be an impeachable "High Crime or Misdemeanor."
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Old 12th Jan 2019, 23:52
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High Crimes and Misdemeanors appearing a lot lately. A very old term first prosecuted in 1386 England.

from Wiki:

"The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct by officials, such as perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, refusal to obey a lawful order, chronic intoxication, and tax evasion. Offenses by officials also include ordinary crimes, but perhaps with different standards of proof and punishment than for nonofficials, on the grounds that more is expected of officials by their oaths of office.

Benjamin Franklin asserted that the power of impeachment and removal was necessary for those times when the Executive "rendered himself obnoxious," and the Constitution should provide for the "regular punishment of the Executive when his conduct should deserve it, and for his honorable acquittal when he should be unjustly accused."
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 01:04
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Hempy said...
The writing on the wall might be in red 6ft high sans serif but they’ve backed themselves so far into the corner they have nowhere left to go.
...now there is frikken beer all over my laptop...thanks Hempy...
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 04:48
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Pattern, your point is well taken re. the term treason, but I don't think anyone here was using the term with any intent of it implying its rigorous definition. We were rather bandying it about as a general term for his malfeasance in office. Here I think we can, with much confidence, argue that malfeasance is the better term.

Of course one could offer the word sedition if one were to argue the fomenting of discontent vice actual rebellion. He does seem to be expert at fostering discontent against/with your government!

Now one reads that Mr. Trump had record of his discussions with Vlad destroyed. This man is a real piece of work isn't he?
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 05:46
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
What's in a name?

Julian Castro announced he may run for Prez in 2020.
Unfortunate and superficial as it might be - Does he really think he has a hope in hell with that battleship anchor of a last name?
Barrack Hussein Obama.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 09:31
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Interesting to see Hempy pontificating on the southern border of the USofA, whilst he sits comfortably behind our natural "border wall", that is the ocean surrounding Australia.

I have been amused by the natural born leaders of the USofA becoming more and more strident against their constitutionally elected president, who happens to be not of their special group. He had nothing to lose coming into your primaries in 2016 and still has very little to lose.

I like Bill Burr's take on the political industries in the USofA.

FwIw
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 11:30
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Eddie, Trump "still has very little to lose"? Okay then, why is he so upset, given your vision of him sitting in the catbird seat? Here we were thinking that we were looking at a man who is in deep trouble, hence his rather disjointed tweets and his increasing level of (find me a nice word for telling huge and easily disprovable lies). Uhh, "being economical with the vérité," that?

It's nice that you are "amused" by this crisis in the States, having a President who flouts convention and who seems to be beholden to some of our sworn enemies. Keep in touch, Eddie, and I'll let you know how amused I am going to be over some crisis in Southeast Asia stemming from this dingbat cuddling up to Red China while denigrating, perhaps, you lot, Oz, as just another sponging treaty partner. Just wait until Trump finds out that Australia has not made any contributions at all to Nato. Are you ever going to be in trouble then!
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 17:24
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Originally Posted by Hempy View Post
You back on the metho again or have you just been sniffing petrol?
Hempy being the chap who has put a number of us on his ignore list because of what he characterized as insults.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 19:19
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Hi, Westy! Long time no see!

The way Trump is going, by the time you are ready to flee the "People's Republic of California," you may have to go all the way to Mississippi to find a state "red enough" for you! AZ is looking a bit purple these days, and he ain't making many friends in TX.

At least if you stick to the I-10 corridor. Not necessarily a bad thing - the Gulf Coast is pretty sweet!
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 19:45
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RACIAL SLUR - MR HEMP

Originally Posted by West Coast View Post


Hempy being the chap who has put a number of us on his ignore list because of what he characterized as insults.

Yes, and as Hemp knows full well that I am Australian First Nation by decent, it is in fact a racial slur that he should be ashamed of.
Just wait until Trump finds out that Australia has not made any contributions at all to Nato. Are you ever going to be in trouble then!
Good one chuks, your geography is absolutely appalling. North Atlantic is a long way from Australia.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 20:26
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
Hi, Westy! Long time no see!

The way Trump is going, by the time you are ready to flee the "People's Republic of California," you may have to go all the way to Mississippi to find a state "red enough" for you! AZ is looking a bit purple these days, and he ain't making many friends in TX.

At least if you stick to the I-10 corridor. Not necessarily a bad thing - the Gulf Coast is pretty sweet!
Mississipi is a bit humid for my liking, P-cola if I had to live in the south.

Sorry for my absence from the scrum. On a long trip, have to make money to pay for California’s ever expanding social handouts. Being a taker rather than a maker sounds somewhat appealing.

I don’t begrudge you gloating over the election results, liberals haven’t had much to cheer about of late, losing all 3 elected branches, SCOTUS appointments, one of the leading faces of the party being Hillary, you know, the gift that keeps on giving. I do trust you know your smugness re the HOR can be short lived and is very reactionary yet predictable. Please recall the Republican majority in the Senate INCREASED?

Not all that long ago (in the days after Obama’s first election win) that the talking head libs were predicting the end days for the conservative movement in the US. You making the same prediction?
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 20:41
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Originally Posted by Eddie Dean View Post
Yes, and as Hemp knows full well that I am Australian First Nation by decent, it is in fact a racial slur that he should be ashamed of.
That fits his online persona of playing the victim on these boards while handing out insults himself.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 20:56
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Eddie Dean
i took
chuks
comment about the Presidents possible reaction to Australia's lack of contribution to NATO as a toungue-in-cheek reference to the Presudents predilection for fact-free tweets
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 20:58
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Getting really sick of this "first nation" propaganda thing, although the Australians may be an exception.
Here the term is used badly to try to influence their political and social agendas and to perpetuate never ending guilt trips and keep the cash flowing in.
I use the term "prior immigrants" if I have to use anything other than people.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 21:16
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Getting really sick of this "first nation" propaganda thing, although the Australians may be an exception.
Here the term is used badly to try to influence their political and social agendas and to perpetuate never ending guilt trips and keep the cash flowing.
Here in Arizona they are "Indians". Says so on their own signage.
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 00:33
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post

I don’t begrudge you gloating over the election results, liberals haven’t had much to cheer about of late, losing all 3 elected branches, SCOTUS appointments, one of the leading faces of the party being Hillary, you know, the gift that keeps on giving. I do trust you know your smugness re the HOR can be short lived and is very reactionary yet predictable. Please recall the Republican majority in the Senate INCREASED?

Not all that long ago (in the days after Obama’s first election win) that the talking head libs were predicting the end days for the conservative movement in the US. You making the same prediction?
Gloating? Nope. Haven't even mentioned it over the past 2 months. I really was just noting the effect on your expressed hopes and dreams, and commiserating (not a lot of surfing in AZ anyway).

I do have a little note on the wall reading 59 million - 50 million, but mostly for personal consumption. I don't plan to mention it again, unless anyone starts making cute claims about what the "American People" want.

To the extent that "reactionary" (réactionnaire) stems from the overthrow of Robespierre's Reign of Terror and the restoration of small-r Republicanism in France, I guess I'd side with the réactionnaires. Not sure how it applies to current events - unless one equates Trump to the Reign of Terror (I'll have to give that some thought).

My prediction for last Nov. was a 35-seat gain for the Dems in the House and a 5-seat gain for the GOP in the Senate. Since I blew that one, I'm not making any more.

More seriously - no, of course the Conservative movement isn't about to end. I think Trump may have put additional cracks in Reagan's Grand Coalition, although that's nothing new (remember Goldwater's comment that "Any good Christian should kick Jerry Falwell right in the nuts!"). I think demographics (more urban, less white) may require some serious soul-searching about exactly which alliances and policies actually result on net gains with the electorate (and the Donor Class).
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