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Old 8th Jan 2019, 17:25
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Stand by!

The Donald is going to give a major speech tonight, at 0200 hrs. UTC (9 p.m. EST). It's supposed to be planned as his way of telling the nation of the urgent need for the border wall/fence/tasteful arrangement of steel slats/whatever. It should be a real Trump humdinger, a potent stew of hysteria, half-truths, and perhaps a few big, fat lies too. On the other hand, we may just hear him call off the shut-down in some way that allows him to claim victory over those slacker Democrats who want to buy every member of MS-13 a new Cadillac with our tax dollars.

My daughter borrowed my popcorn popper, which takes a lot of the fun out of watching the Donald's antics in real time, so that I guess I will just catch up to this tomorrow morning German time. By then there should be a few interesting takes on the speech on the part of our leading satirists, as well as the usual slew of rationalizations from the ALB, Kellyanne Conway, Sean Hannity, and even Alex Jones.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 19:12
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Address to the nation from the Oval Office! Usually reserved very serious stuff.....like Pearl Harbour or an asteroid called E.L.E.
So should be fun. Can he read from a prepared speech?
Might make it a drinking game. One lie, one drink. Think I'll be out before he's finished.
Networks were/are hesitant about giving him the time. Given his track record they and I think there should be a provision for rebuttals.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 20:07
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Address to the nation from the Oval Office! Usually reserved very serious stuff.....like Pearl Harbour or an asteroid called E.L.E.
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Really? Tell us all about the Oval Office address about Pearl Harbor. That’s your hint you got that one wrong.

ps, there were other offices in the WH on Dec 9th as well. Now, if referring to the infamy speech, you’re off by a few miles. Kilometers if you prefer.

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Old 8th Jan 2019, 20:13
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Joint session of Congress, broadcast to the nation and eventually the world then.
Happy? That's what you took from that?
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 21:19
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Joint session of Congress, broadcast to the nation and eventually the world then.
Happy? That's what you took from that?
I’m asking you to be accurate, a bridge too far? This isn’t me challenging your opinion or belief but rather challenging the veracity of what you offer as fact. That’s one part of what I took from your factually incorrect post. That Trump is addressing the nation (mine, not yours) speaks for itself and doesn’t require you trumpeting it.

Exactly what else would you expect a reader to take away from your post?
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 21:46
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It certainly wasn't a trumpet.
Let's see how it goes then.
The whole world is watching.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 22:34
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"Like," not "as."

WC, you do not give a damn about exactitude when it comes to Trump, so why come over so harsh on this non-citizen who got mixed up over one venue for announcements of grave import vs. another such venue?

Reagan spoke to the nation about the Challenger disaster from the Oval Office, when that was a disaster somewhat "like" Pearl Harbor. It was not "the same as," but our poster did not say that it was.

FDR spoke before a joint session of Congress about Pearl Harbor, since he needed a declaration of war on Japan.

Tell you what, West Coast: Let's have a go at your newfound love for exact truth. We'll compare notes on how many lies Trump tells, when you can tell us your take on that, okay? (Here I am betting that he's going to tell at least one provable whopper, which I take for a safe bet. You know, something like "Most of the dangerous aliens are coming across the southern border," when they are not, at least not the ones we have caught, since they have come in by air.) I detail the lie; you tell us that you are okay with it, when we shall see just how far your newfound concern for Truth, Justice, and the American Way reaches when it comes to Donald John Trump.

Buckle your seat belt, because you are in for a rough ride.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 23:12
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
WC, you do not give a damn about exactitude when it comes to Trump, so why come over so harsh on this non-citizen who got mixed up over one venue for announcements of grave import vs. another such venue?

Reagan spoke to the nation about the Challenger disaster from the Oval Office, when that was a disaster somewhat "like" Pearl Harbor. It was not "the same as," but our poster did not say that it was.

FDR spoke before a joint session of Congress about Pearl Harbor, since he needed a declaration of war on Japan.

Tell you what, West Coast: Let's have a go at your newfound love for exact truth. We'll compare notes on how many lies Trump tells, when you can tell us your take on that, okay? (Here I am betting that he's going to tell at least one provable whopper, which I take for a safe bet. You know, something like "Most of the dangerous aliens are coming across the southern border," when they are not, at least not the ones we have caught, since they have come in by air.) I detail the lie; you tell us that you are okay with it, when we shall see just how far your newfound concern for Truth, Justice, and the American Way reaches when it comes to Donald John Trump.

Buckle your seat belt, because you are in for a rough ride.
TBH Chuks, I likely won’t watch the speech. I purchased a smoker and am testing it out today with the goal of not burning down the house.

You're welcome to keep a ledger.

Meadow

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I won’t, so once again you’re factually incorrect.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 02:09
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The whole world is watching.
Forrest Trump is like a Slinky - wobbly, useless, but great to watch when it gets pushed down the stairs. The whole world would then be watching.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 03:35
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Who watched Stormy fold her laundry in her underwear? Come on, fess up!
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 05:26
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sans comment...
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...border-crisis/
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 06:47
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Solid bit of disinformation about drugs: it is well established by now that the US‘s most acute problem is cause by prescription opioids, manufactured almost entirely IN the US, and procured legally or illegally by the addicts. The „war on drugs“ was a non-starter from the get-go, closing the border now would do NOTHING at this point.

I don‘t blame Trump on that one: he‘s too ignorant to have a clue about America‘s drug problem, and the one flaw (maybe the only?) you cannot pin on the Donald is that he‘s a junkie himself... doesn‘t even drink as far as I know. But his enablers, who wrote that speech for him, are deliberate liars of the lowest kind.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 07:54
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Light blue touch paper and ... it doesn't seem to want to catch ....

Well, there we have it. West Coast was right on top of where the speech was to be delivered, from the Oval Office, in contrast to where FDR gave his famous "Day of Infamy" speech, in the Capitol. (One of our foreign commentators got that one somewhat wrong.) On the other hand, WC would rather play with his new toy, a smoker, than actually watch the speech at six in the afternoon on a smoggy day in La La Land. (I just read the transcript, but to have stayed up until 2 a.m. German time just to enjoy another example of the Donald's turgid and wandering delivery of words in real time ... nope.)

I noticed from the transcript that the Donald managed to give a few false impressions, but, disappointingly, he did not seem to veer off into any really gross and obvious lies. Sure there were a few things in there that are arguably untrue, such as that it's the Democrats who have forced his retreat from insistence on an actual wall made of concrete to a "steel barrier rather than a concrete wall." (Just the other day he was insisting that it was still going to be the latter, but never mind that now; inconsistency is not exactly untruth but merely its first cousin.)

One Donaldism I have been enjoying is his fact that the Vatican is surrounded by high walls: “When they say the wall is immoral, well then you better … got [sic] to do something about the Vatican, because the Vatican has the biggest wall of them all.”

Yes, the Vatican does have a big wall. (Is it the "biggest," compared to, say, the Great Wall of China? Of course not, but it's big, yes.) On the other hand, as any fule kno you can walk right into the center of Vatican City from the adjacent City of Rome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Peter%27s_Square I understand that the poor man has the attention span of a gnat and that he lives a somewhat sheltered life, but how did he miss this fact when he recently visited the Vatican and the Pope? (Here is a shot from that visit, showing just how thrilled the Pope was with his guest: Pope Francis, Donald Trump: Viral Photo From Vatican Meeting | Time)

Okay, WC, you get to skate on this one, but I guarantee that you will be back to complain about some other mistake from the anti-Trump side of things, when we shall be sure to ask you again about your sudden love for objective truth. Love for Trump just does not fit with love for truth; that's like our democratically elected US President telling us in so many words of his love for Kim Jong-Un. We expect that sort of thing from a senile Kiwi, but not from the Leader of the Free World.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 09:57
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Perhaps this morning the ALB will hold a presser to expound on last eve's presidential skull session.

She always seems to have something to add. Not that it is germaine, accurate, or truthful, but something nonetheless.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 10:33
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For Once Then, Something

Others taunt me with having knelt at well-curbs
Always wrong to the light, so never seeing
Deeper down in the well than where the water
Gives me back in a shining surface picture
Me myself in the summer heaven godlike
Looking out of a wreath of fern and cloud puffs.
Once, when trying with chin against a well-curb,
I discerned, as I thought, beyond the picture,
Through the picture, a something white, uncertain,
Something more of the depths—and then I lost it.
Water came to rebuke the too clear water.
One drop fell from a fern, and lo, a ripple
Shook whatever it was lay there at bottom,
Blurred it, blotted it out. What was that whiteness?
Truth? A pebble of quartz? For once, then, something.

Robert Frost
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 13:33
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
Well, there we have it. West Coast was right on top of where the speech was to be delivered, from the Oval Office, in contrast to where FDR gave his famous "Day of Infamy" speech, in the Capitol. (One of our foreign commentators got that one somewhat wrong.) On the other hand, WC would rather play with his new toy, a smoker, than actually watch the speech at six in the afternoon on a smoggy day in La La Land. (I just read the transcript, but to have stayed up until 2 a.m. German time just to enjoy another example of the Donald's turgid and wandering delivery of words in real time ... nope.)

I noticed from the transcript that the Donald managed to give a few false impressions, but, disappointingly, he did not seem to veer off into any really gross and obvious lies. Sure there were a few things in there that are arguably untrue, such as that it's the Democrats who have forced his retreat from insistence on an actual wall made of concrete to a "steel barrier rather than a concrete wall." (Just the other day he was insisting that it was still going to be the latter, but never mind that now; inconsistency is not exactly untruth but merely its first cousin.)

One Donaldism I have been enjoying is his fact that the Vatican is surrounded by high walls: “When they say the wall is immoral, well then you better … got [sic] to do something about the Vatican, because the Vatican has the biggest wall of them all.”

Yes, the Vatican does have a big wall. (Is it the "biggest," compared to, say, the Great Wall of China? Of course not, but it's big, yes.) On the other hand, as any fule kno you can walk right into the center of Vatican City from the adjacent City of Rome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Peter%27s_Square I understand that the poor man has the attention span of a gnat and that he lives a somewhat sheltered life, but how did he miss this fact when he recently visited the Vatican and the Pope? (Here is a shot from that visit, showing just how thrilled the Pope was with his guest: Pope Francis, Donald Trump: Viral Photo From Vatican Meeting Time)

Okay, WC, you get to skate on this one, but I guarantee that you will be back to complain about some other mistake from the anti-Trump side of things, when we shall be sure to ask you again about your sudden love for objective truth. Love for Trump just does not fit with love for truth; that's like our democratically elected US President telling us in so many words of his love for Kim Jong-Un. We expect that sort of thing from a senile Kiwi, but not from the Leader of the Free World.
You've not been to the foothills of San Diego in quite some time, smog isn't an issue here, quite clear. A little chilly, only made it to 22C/72F. As to pointing out mistakes, it's a date not day that lives in infamy.

Smoker works great, knew you were curious. Perhaps we can share recipes? That is unless you're a vegan, vegetarian or other similar nonsense.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 14:04
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A Political Speech From The Oval Office

Sadly, the speech was just part of a money raising effort.

For now, Trump sees this as winning politics. TV networks had been reticent about providing him airtime to make what some feared would be a purely political speech. And that concern was heightened by the decision Tuesday by Trump's re-election campaign to send out fundraising emails and text messages to supporters trying to raise money off the speech. Their goal: A half-million dollars in a single day.

"I just addressed the nation on Border Security. Now need you to stand with me," read one message sent out after his remarks.
The message emphasis magically switched from the wall, terrorists and security crisis to a humanitarian crisis. No mention as to who created the humanitarian crisis. Hint: He sits in the Oval Office and doesn't believe in planning anything other than his golfing vacations to Mar-a-Lago.

Trump dropped the terrorist messaging after he and his team including VP Pence, Sarah Sanders and Kirstjen Nielsen had touted over the past weeks and weekend that 4000 terrorists were caught at the Mexican border. Turns out, according to the US State Department, there were only 41 on the watchlist and 35 were American citizens or lawful permanent residents with only 6 being non-US persons, so much for a terrorist crisis.

But, planning for the Trump wall goes on, now called a "steel barrier", a slatted design with see-through gaps between steel slats, all steel made in the USA. Good luck with that as capacity to produce steel slats from US mills doesn't at all equate to the amount required and the cost of steel has risen because of the Trump tariff wars. Maybe the see-through gaps will get wider or every other slat can be made from aluminum (same tough aluminum used on Ford F-150 truck beds) or less barrier distance being covered or more money required for a non-crisis.

Critical thinking and planning isn't a Trump forte...
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 14:06
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Dealing in clichés ....

Actually, WC, I once spent a while in El Cajon, with side-trips to the air museum in San Diego, beautiful downtown Tijuana, Mexicali, and Calexico, before heading for points north, so I do understand that not all of the Left Coast is smoggy.

In the same way, not all liberals are vegan or even vegetarian. On the other hand, yes, I am wearing sandals with socks as I sit here writing this ....

Smokers are quite the thing here in Germany now. A lot of these little fêtes now feature a guy with a smoker serving smoked ... stuff. It's not as good as Carolina barbecue but at least they are trying, the poor things.

Smoked eel, smoked trout, both a fixture of North German cuisine for centuries, but that's done in a very different way at a fixed location, while the old equivalent of the modern portable smoker is a thing called a Gulaschkanone, a big, green ex-German Army field kitchen fired with either wood or else coal briquets.

So, WC, you have not bothered to watch this speech about the great crisis and how yer man is going to kiss the national boo-boo and make it all better? Get with the program, Man! Not that there is anything new that he covered, but at least Trump stayed with his written text, and he even wore a proper tie, not that cheap-ass red dinner napkin he usually favors. (Was there a teleprompter involved? I bet there was, yes, plus I bet they upped his dosage of Xanax to a level that could stun a moose, just enough to get Trump to settle down and act normal. You could ask Ronnie Jackson about that, but he's not going to tell.)
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 14:16
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Well the Trump speech was the most restrained I have seen - he didnt say anything that would scare the children and came across as almost rational.

And then we had the Chuck and Nancy show that totally ignored the issues raised by Trump and simply repeated their usual rants against Trump personally. I dont really see why they bothered. If their aim was to make Trump look more statesmen-like, ignore his offer of compromise and make him look like the adult in the room - well they succeeded.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 14:41
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Well the Trump speech was the most restrained I have seen
Restrained? He looked like the only thing that was keeping him conscious was the small mountain of cocaine he’d just inhaled if the continual sniffing is any indication. Maybe SHS slipped one too many horse tranquillisers into his Big Mac at dinner time.
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