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Old 8th Jan 2019, 06:39
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Indeed. Mr. Trump, in his inimitable way, intimated that the shutdown could last months or years. He expects that one of the pillars of your economy, the air traffic system, is expected to function with this type of uncertainty hanging over the heads of the controllers and security screeners--critical portions of that infrastructure?

How long will it be before the economy as a whole starts to feel the effects? Probably not immediately, but rwo months? Three?

I would not be so sure though, that even those within the cult who are going unpaid will turn against him. (40%?) History is replete with examples of accolytes sacrificing all for the object of their veneration. Most I could guess are angry, but the true believers out there have not given up quite yet. The glint is still in their eye.

They will, instead, hang on the words of Chuk's beloved Arkansian lard biscuit (perhaps we should use ALB?) and use her words as marching orders.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 07:53
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I've quite forgotten what they are believing in and more and more astounded by their profoundly deaf and blind gullibility.
Just what kind of America do they want?
What is the target? You have to be able to see a target in order to hit it and there is just a lot of thick murk..
Is it all just about money?
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 08:42
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A lesson from history ....

Even when Germany was being brought down around their ears there were still plenty of believers in Hitler, so why should going a bit hungry terminally upset your average fan of the Donald? They will be happy to hear that it's all the fault of the Democrats who refuse to heed Trump's calls for border security.

These are the sort of people, the lowest of them anyway, who park their trucks to block charging points for electric-powered cars. The fine people who march behind Nazi flags to protect our proud legacy of fighting to preserve slavery are, after all, proud Americans, and Trump is happy to speak up for them when nobody else in a leadership position will do that.

The slightly higher on the evolutionary scale just take Trump to be a useful disruption to our present system of government, not that they have any real idea how to change it for the better. They wanted a change, and did they ever get one! Okay, perhaps that was going to be a change for many from two and-a-half square meals a day aided by food stamps, when what was promised was a change back to jobs for white folks in (dying) industries, jobs flooding back from Mexico and China, except that they did not read the fine print. All that was really promised, if one looked at the disastrous record of Trump, posing tycoon, was "change," nothing more. So change it is! No more food stamps, for a while anyway, and no jobs either ... but a change? Oh, yes! Did things change for Atlantic City after Trump was through playing casino tycoon? Certainly, no argument there.

It's kind of interesting, the way that Trump first stripped away a lot of that tinselly, pseudo-socialist stuff that we use to hid the essential nature of capitalism in American democracy with his crude verbiage. Then he went on to attack and damage fundamental aspects of capitalism itself, such as free trade. It's crude, not subtle at all, what he's up to, but it still seems to be not crude enough to really catch the attention of most of the GOP, and that is kind of ... fascinating.

I used to watch my Democratic liberal friends tie themselves into tight little knots trying to keep the lamp burning for Teddy Kennedy, who was in very essential ways just a low-life. He reminded me of some of our Euro-trash, these little princelings who are fodder for the gossip mags by the way they can coast on a family name. At least Teddy was pushing the right agenda, despite his personal failings, so that you could understand, if not excuse, the sort of blind worship there was for him. I can't find any excuses at all for this new personality cult around the Donald, but that might just be me.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 09:19
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
They will be happy to hear that it's all the fault of the Democrats who refuse to heed Trump's calls for border security.
That will indeed be the dulcet song that they wish to hear...perhaps the ONLY song they wish to hear. They are the only words that penetrate their dulled aural organs and register somewhere above the brain stem.

As an outsider I had kept a respectful attitude toward these proceedings in the land of the free until I saw a picture featured on page one of one of our newspapers. It showed a couple at a Trump rally wearing T-shirts with the phrase "I'd rather be Russian than Democrat" or something like that emblazoned on the front.

The sheer stupidity of this beggars belief. All I could think of was that while this overweight bovine stupid pair might want to live in the mafia state that is modern Russia, many in the free West do not thank you,. It it is soiled nappies like them who are steering us that way however.

I have seen stupid in life and have worn than inauspicious mantel many times myself, but that took the biscuit.

So indeed Chuks. People like that, in whom no ember of intelligence would ever glow, only want to hear, from the Murdoch house organ Fox, that it is the Dems fault.

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Old 8th Jan 2019, 15:03
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fred View Post
As an outsider I had kept a respectful attitude toward these proceedings in the land of the free until I saw a picture featured on page one of one of our newspapers. It showed a couple at a Trump rally wearing T-shirts with the phrase "I'd rather be Russian than Democrat" or something like that emblazoned on the front
If a Clinton or Obama supporter wore a similar t shirt (obviously replacing Democrat with Republican) I think the Internet would melt under the Trump reaction!
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 16:25
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Stand by!

The Donald is going to give a major speech tonight, at 0200 hrs. UTC (9 p.m. EST). It's supposed to be planned as his way of telling the nation of the urgent need for the border wall/fence/tasteful arrangement of steel slats/whatever. It should be a real Trump humdinger, a potent stew of hysteria, half-truths, and perhaps a few big, fat lies too. On the other hand, we may just hear him call off the shut-down in some way that allows him to claim victory over those slacker Democrats who want to buy every member of MS-13 a new Cadillac with our tax dollars.

My daughter borrowed my popcorn popper, which takes a lot of the fun out of watching the Donald's antics in real time, so that I guess I will just catch up to this tomorrow morning German time. By then there should be a few interesting takes on the speech on the part of our leading satirists, as well as the usual slew of rationalizations from the ALB, Kellyanne Conway, Sean Hannity, and even Alex Jones.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 18:12
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Address to the nation from the Oval Office! Usually reserved very serious stuff.....like Pearl Harbour or an asteroid called E.L.E.
So should be fun. Can he read from a prepared speech?
Might make it a drinking game. One lie, one drink. Think I'll be out before he's finished.
Networks were/are hesitant about giving him the time. Given his track record they and I think there should be a provision for rebuttals.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 19:07
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Address to the nation from the Oval Office! Usually reserved very serious stuff.....like Pearl Harbour or an asteroid called E.L.E.
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Really? Tell us all about the Oval Office address about Pearl Harbor. That’s your hint you got that one wrong.

ps, there were other offices in the WH on Dec 9th as well. Now, if referring to the infamy speech, you’re off by a few miles. Kilometers if you prefer.

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Old 8th Jan 2019, 19:13
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Joint session of Congress, broadcast to the nation and eventually the world then.
Happy? That's what you took from that?
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 20:19
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Originally Posted by meadowrun View Post
Joint session of Congress, broadcast to the nation and eventually the world then.
Happy? That's what you took from that?
I’m asking you to be accurate, a bridge too far? This isn’t me challenging your opinion or belief but rather challenging the veracity of what you offer as fact. That’s one part of what I took from your factually incorrect post. That Trump is addressing the nation (mine, not yours) speaks for itself and doesn’t require you trumpeting it.

Exactly what else would you expect a reader to take away from your post?
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 20:46
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It certainly wasn't a trumpet.
Let's see how it goes then.
The whole world is watching.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 21:34
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"Like," not "as."

WC, you do not give a damn about exactitude when it comes to Trump, so why come over so harsh on this non-citizen who got mixed up over one venue for announcements of grave import vs. another such venue?

Reagan spoke to the nation about the Challenger disaster from the Oval Office, when that was a disaster somewhat "like" Pearl Harbor. It was not "the same as," but our poster did not say that it was.

FDR spoke before a joint session of Congress about Pearl Harbor, since he needed a declaration of war on Japan.

Tell you what, West Coast: Let's have a go at your newfound love for exact truth. We'll compare notes on how many lies Trump tells, when you can tell us your take on that, okay? (Here I am betting that he's going to tell at least one provable whopper, which I take for a safe bet. You know, something like "Most of the dangerous aliens are coming across the southern border," when they are not, at least not the ones we have caught, since they have come in by air.) I detail the lie; you tell us that you are okay with it, when we shall see just how far your newfound concern for Truth, Justice, and the American Way reaches when it comes to Donald John Trump.

Buckle your seat belt, because you are in for a rough ride.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 22:12
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
WC, you do not give a damn about exactitude when it comes to Trump, so why come over so harsh on this non-citizen who got mixed up over one venue for announcements of grave import vs. another such venue?

Reagan spoke to the nation about the Challenger disaster from the Oval Office, when that was a disaster somewhat "like" Pearl Harbor. It was not "the same as," but our poster did not say that it was.

FDR spoke before a joint session of Congress about Pearl Harbor, since he needed a declaration of war on Japan.

Tell you what, West Coast: Let's have a go at your newfound love for exact truth. We'll compare notes on how many lies Trump tells, when you can tell us your take on that, okay? (Here I am betting that he's going to tell at least one provable whopper, which I take for a safe bet. You know, something like "Most of the dangerous aliens are coming across the southern border," when they are not, at least not the ones we have caught, since they have come in by air.) I detail the lie; you tell us that you are okay with it, when we shall see just how far your newfound concern for Truth, Justice, and the American Way reaches when it comes to Donald John Trump.

Buckle your seat belt, because you are in for a rough ride.
TBH Chuks, I likely won’t watch the speech. I purchased a smoker and am testing it out today with the goal of not burning down the house.

You're welcome to keep a ledger.

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I won’t, so once again you’re factually incorrect.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 01:09
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The whole world is watching.
Forrest Trump is like a Slinky - wobbly, useless, but great to watch when it gets pushed down the stairs. The whole world would then be watching.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 02:35
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Who watched Stormy fold her laundry in her underwear? Come on, fess up!
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 04:26
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sans comment...
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...border-crisis/
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 05:47
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Solid bit of disinformation about drugs: it is well established by now that the US‘s most acute problem is cause by prescription opioids, manufactured almost entirely IN the US, and procured legally or illegally by the addicts. The „war on drugs“ was a non-starter from the get-go, closing the border now would do NOTHING at this point.

I don‘t blame Trump on that one: he‘s too ignorant to have a clue about America‘s drug problem, and the one flaw (maybe the only?) you cannot pin on the Donald is that he‘s a junkie himself... doesn‘t even drink as far as I know. But his enablers, who wrote that speech for him, are deliberate liars of the lowest kind.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 06:54
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Light blue touch paper and ... it doesn't seem to want to catch ....

Well, there we have it. West Coast was right on top of where the speech was to be delivered, from the Oval Office, in contrast to where FDR gave his famous "Day of Infamy" speech, in the Capitol. (One of our foreign commentators got that one somewhat wrong.) On the other hand, WC would rather play with his new toy, a smoker, than actually watch the speech at six in the afternoon on a smoggy day in La La Land. (I just read the transcript, but to have stayed up until 2 a.m. German time just to enjoy another example of the Donald's turgid and wandering delivery of words in real time ... nope.)

I noticed from the transcript that the Donald managed to give a few false impressions, but, disappointingly, he did not seem to veer off into any really gross and obvious lies. Sure there were a few things in there that are arguably untrue, such as that it's the Democrats who have forced his retreat from insistence on an actual wall made of concrete to a "steel barrier rather than a concrete wall." (Just the other day he was insisting that it was still going to be the latter, but never mind that now; inconsistency is not exactly untruth but merely its first cousin.)

One Donaldism I have been enjoying is his fact that the Vatican is surrounded by high walls: “When they say the wall is immoral, well then you better … got [sic] to do something about the Vatican, because the Vatican has the biggest wall of them all.”

Yes, the Vatican does have a big wall. (Is it the "biggest," compared to, say, the Great Wall of China? Of course not, but it's big, yes.) On the other hand, as any fule kno you can walk right into the center of Vatican City from the adjacent City of Rome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Peter%27s_Square I understand that the poor man has the attention span of a gnat and that he lives a somewhat sheltered life, but how did he miss this fact when he recently visited the Vatican and the Pope? (Here is a shot from that visit, showing just how thrilled the Pope was with his guest: Pope Francis, Donald Trump: Viral Photo From Vatican Meeting | Time)

Okay, WC, you get to skate on this one, but I guarantee that you will be back to complain about some other mistake from the anti-Trump side of things, when we shall be sure to ask you again about your sudden love for objective truth. Love for Trump just does not fit with love for truth; that's like our democratically elected US President telling us in so many words of his love for Kim Jong-Un. We expect that sort of thing from a senile Kiwi, but not from the Leader of the Free World.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 08:57
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Perhaps this morning the ALB will hold a presser to expound on last eve's presidential skull session.

She always seems to have something to add. Not that it is germaine, accurate, or truthful, but something nonetheless.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 09:33
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For Once Then, Something

Others taunt me with having knelt at well-curbs
Always wrong to the light, so never seeing
Deeper down in the well than where the water
Gives me back in a shining surface picture
Me myself in the summer heaven godlike
Looking out of a wreath of fern and cloud puffs.
Once, when trying with chin against a well-curb,
I discerned, as I thought, beyond the picture,
Through the picture, a something white, uncertain,
Something more of the depths—and then I lost it.
Water came to rebuke the too clear water.
One drop fell from a fern, and lo, a ripple
Shook whatever it was lay there at bottom,
Blurred it, blotted it out. What was that whiteness?
Truth? A pebble of quartz? For once, then, something.

Robert Frost
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