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Old 19th Dec 2018, 18:58
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
Instead, it's just a reminder that liberals like yourself believe themselves smarter than folks who don't share the same political views.
That could be because it's true, but since fact resistance is a strong and common trait of right wingers, I'm not sure proof is going to change your mind. Hence, I shan't bother posting a link.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 19:18
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That could be because it's true, but since fact resistance is a strong and common trait of right wingers, I'm not sure proof is going to change your mind. Hence, I shan't bother posting a link.
Try me European, post the proof.

If it’s on the internet, it must be true.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 19:53
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WC, the thing is that I realize that a lot of people I disagree with just get a kick out of being disagreeable. Obama nailed it recently when he confronted some Trump partisans by pointing out to them that they won, so what are they so angry about?

If you guys really think that Trump is, well, trumps, then you would not be doing all this foolishness where you claim to be happy seeing liberals getting their panties in a wad; you would not care one jot about that because you would be having too much fun seeing your man, this man-child, jerk-off, nightmare of a deeply defective person, succeeding against all odds.

It would validate every loser's dream, the way they look at some airline captain walking through the airport like he's somebody special just because he can fly a Boeing 747, to see this know-nothing, lying, lazy fantasist Trump just stroll into the Oval Office and prove that, yes, just about anyone, given the chance, can do a job that those stupid elitists think you really need to study for, that you need to go to Yale or Wellesley and Harvard for, plus have a career in politics at a high level.

Fly a 747? Oh yeah, I could do that! In my dreams ... unless the airlines like wasting all that money and time training people for a job that actually can be extremely demanding. Yet you really do get people who think that way, people who are stupid, people such as Donald Trump. Went to a military academy, thinks he knows what war is and how to fight one. Oh, really?
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 22:37
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post
it's just a reminder that liberalstarians like yourself - at times - believe themselves smarter more rational and accurate than folks who don't share the same political views.
Fixed that for you. Otherwise, thanks for the "re-tweet."

I don't actually go around tweeting about "my GENIUS IQ!" like someone we know - perhaps you prefer that?

Nor have I ever said or implied that would give me a right to "tell someone what to think." Or for that matter, declare them "an enemy of the people" based on what they think or say. Except perhaps in a simple case such as "You shouldn't think that a red traffic light means 'Go!' " I may point out logical inconsistencies in their thinking - it is up to them to decide if they need to make an adjustment.

I do, of course, and as in any hiring situation, have the right and duty to consider the intellect of a candidate for job or office in making my selection. I'm sure you rose well above PFC/E-2, and thus had to employ such "command" considerations in your own career.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 00:43
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I have proof that I am smarter than people around me. I was consistently “first in his class” all the way kidneygarten through Grade 7 at Sacred Heart Separate School.

So there is that. Where’s your evidence SMT?
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 00:45
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
Fixed that for you. Otherwise, thanks for the "re-tweet."

I don't actually go around tweeting about "my GENIUS IQ!" like someone we know - perhaps you prefer that?

Nor have I ever said or implied that would give me a right to "tell someone what to think." Or for that matter, declare them "an enemy of the people" based on what they think or say. Except perhaps in a simple case such as "You shouldn't think that a red traffic light means 'Go!' " I may point out logical inconsistencies in their thinking - it is up to them to decide if they need to make an adjustment.

I do, of course, and as in any hiring situation, have the right and duty to consider the intellect of a candidate for job or office in making my selection. I'm sure you rose well above PFC/E-2, and thus had to employ such "command" considerations in your own career.
Clever little play on words. It however doesn’t change your expressed belief that you somehow have a leg up on those of us who don’t share your liberal beliefs. It has to be especially stinging when I’m using your own words to make my point.

Anyway, moving on, there’s to be a missile launch from VBG in a few minutes, should be a good light show.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 00:48
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
I have proof that I am smarter than people around me. I was consistently “first in his class” all the way kidneygarten through Grade 7 at Sacred Heart Separate School.

So there is that. Where’s your evidence SMT?

I’ll wait with you. PIF says he’s more accurate and rational, hopefully he explains it to use common folk.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 04:12
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Quote of the day regarding Herr Trump,

He may have a better understanding of war if - like all his recent predecessors - he visited a war zone to see his troops.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 06:25
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Among his other qualities, I think that Trump is a physical coward. We know he's a bully, and many or most of them are also cowards so that it's logical to think that he's simply, physically afraid to visit someplace "hot."

You can be in the middle of the very safest place there is in Afghanistan, but even there there must be the risk of some random piece of ordinance flying, or merely being carried, in to ruin your day. (I was just discussing this with my son, whose firm wants to station him in Kabul for a few months to do medevac flights. I told him about that guy, the unluckiest guy in Vietnam who was not Vietnamese, who got scragged on his last day in country as he sat there waiting for his "Freedom Bird." A 122-mm. rocket came in pretty much at random and blew a corner off the little terminal at Tan Son Nhut. It killed him stone dead.) Sh*t definitely happens in war zones, so that Trump is right to be afraid, but wrong to let his fear stand in the way of his duty. "Cadet Bone Spurs," indeed.

That's impressive, OB, but I can top it. Saint Mary's School, Derby, Connecticut, won the school-wide spelling bee when I was in 4th Grade. First I beat some little fat girl in 6th Grade whose sole claim to fame was that she was our spelling champion, and then I beat Simon H., a little goody-goody 4th-grader who was the nuns' pet. "Squirrel" I think was the key to victory. (Unfortunately I then proceeded to rest on my laurels for the next 20 years or so, finally getting into aviation instead of brain surgery or merely gynecology.)

I am with PIF on this. It's just that when you point out something you know, something factual, then you really must think that someone who's misinformed has some obligation to follow along. If I tell you that it's not so that "thousands and thousands" of people, Muslims presumably, were celebrating on 9/11 in Jersey City as the WTC came down then you really do have some obligation to stop believing that poisonous lie that Trump has stuck with since the first day he told it, when he just pulled it out of his arse. It's not that I might be, pretty much have to be, more intelligent than someone who clings to such a stupid and easily disprovable lie; it is merely that I am opposing a lie with a truth.

Yes, you have to be really, really stupid to tell that lie, and stupid to believe that lie, but that is not the point; it is that it's a lie. If you are a bigot, and stupid (but I repeat myself) then that lie can be an emotional truth about Muslims, but it's still a lie and lying is wrong. God in Heaven, how wrong-headed does one have to be not to understand that?!

I have worked with people who were kind of slow but who were way past me when it came to social intelligence and basic goodness. It was humbling, sometimes, but in a good way, so that I certainly did not stand there thinking, "Yeah, but I bet he can't spell 'squirrel'." Then there is Trump, somewhat rich and boasting of having gone to a top school, and so of having the best words. How far can you count on him to be good, or merely useful? You wouldn't want him next to you in a trench, would you? You wouldn't even want him next to you in the cockpit reading that "Emergency Checklist."
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 07:06
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Nah guys, I can't be bothered googling it for you. If you'd be really interested, you'd have found the answers for yourself.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 13:30
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Nah guys, I can't be bothered googling it for you. If you'd be really interested, you'd have found the answers for yourself.
You weren't prepared to be called out.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 14:08
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This article seems to identify the differences between today's conservatives and liberals more so than who is smart or dumb...

Why Conservatives Love Dumb Presidents
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 21:52
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46640114

The last adult has left the White House.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 22:02
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I used to cringe when Obama was President and conservatives would point out stupid little things like mom Jeans or a suit other than the traditional dark blue he wore. I hope somewhere there's thoughtful liberals cringing that their ilk are pointing out childish things like accidentally posting an email address rather than a web address.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 22:26
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Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere View Post
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46640114

The last adult has left the White House.
I wonder if this is over the Syria withdrawl. Earlier this week senior administration officials were assuring all and assundry that the U.S. forces were there to stay..then comes the tweet that all is done and dusted

Far from me to determine if the U.S should have forces in Syria, and if so, for how long, but a bit of consistency in such matters is, I am sure, critical to those like Mattis who must speak with allies.

Sounds as if Mattis simply has had enough of the petulant child-god cult leader.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 22:45
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So now a bunch of you will have to choose. Pick "a" or "b":

a. The Americans should not be sending troops into countries where there is no threat to the US, like Syria. They're not the world's policeman.
b. The Americans are screwing things up by withdrawing their troops from Syria. America has to involved in the world's trouble spots.

I'm sure the most popular answer is "whatever Trump is doing, it's the worst possible thing in the world".
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 23:15
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No, OB, I disagree. Whether forces shoud be there is a very tough question and deserves a dispassionate analysis

We know, that like a garden untended, regions without some semblance of governance are ripe to be used by ISIS and its ilk. We might not like it, but that is the reaity and it requires a response--including the apportionment of forces.

Don't do the topic a disservice by twisting it into a platform from which you claim a leftist attack on the child-god. This is a matter that is hard to solve and I respect those that have to untangle it. That is why I believe Mattis is stepping out. He knows that it is a complex issue and is not solved by a tweet. He could not handle the lack of a clear strategy.

Yes, Mattis serves at the pleasure of the POTUS, but he is there voluntarily and has had enough. This has nothing to do with heretical questioning of the infant deity.

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Old 20th Dec 2018, 23:24
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
So now a bunch of you will have to choose. Pick "a" or "b":

a. The Americans should not be sending troops into countries where there is no threat to the US, like Syria. They're not the world's policeman.
b. The Americans are screwing things up by withdrawing their troops from Syria. America has to involved in the world's trouble spots.

I'm sure the most popular answer is "whatever Trump is doing, it's the worst possible thing in the world".
But didnt Trump proclaim during the campaign trail that he would bomb the sh*t out of ISIS and destroy them within a matter of weeks?

I know hes not famed for following through but the truth is the truth....or so I believe.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 23:48
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Mattis the warmonger is gone and the deep state media are going apoplectic. It’s actually rather sad to watch CNN become unhinged.

And poor old deep state mouth peace Lindsey Graham looked pathetic pleading with Trump to keep honoring the demands of the military industrial complex.

Please sir more war!!!

This is where the rubber hits the road. This is why Trump has been under constant attack by the deep state since his incompetent and corrupt ass arrived in DC.

Trump has finally made his move to try to disconnect the deep state and its military industrial complex from the decision-making apparatus in Washington.

His actions this week and the resignation of Mattis today have made it much harder for the crazies in Washington to get the Syria/Iran/Russia/China conflict they have been pushing for all these years.

I wonder if Kennedy is looking down at the proceedings with a cautioning grimace.
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 23:50
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Originally Posted by Orange future View Post
Mattis the warmonger is gone and the deep state media are going apoplectic. It’s actually rather sad to watch CNN become unhinged.

And poor old deep state mouth peace Lindsey Graham looked pathetic pleading with Trump to keep honoring the demands of the military industrial complex.

Please sir more war!!!

This is where the rubber hits the road. This is why Trump has been under constant attack by the deep state since his incompetent and corrupt ass arrived in DC.

Trump has finally made his move to try to disconnect the deep state and its military industrial complex from the decision-making apparatus in Washington.

His actions this week and the resignation of Mattis today have made it much harder for the crazies in Washington to get the Syria/Iran/Russia/China conflict they have been pushing for all these years.

I wonder if Kennedy is looking down at the proceedings with a cautioning grimace.
Now that was bizarre.
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