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Old 15th Dec 2018, 00:08
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
Yes, that's what I was alluding to. Sadly WC has just tended to illustrate my point.

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Ouch! WC is gonna have a hard night squaring those circles.

Hoist by your own petard.
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 03:44
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Apologies, you’re correct PDR. It is worth noting that by you using it, you've now descended down to his level. Congrats, you’re now rolling around in the mud with Trump.

Don't care to reply to the other part of my comment, Trump like as well. You may have more in common with him then you’d care to acknowledge.
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 04:58
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PDR: I see it a bit different from WC:

Yes, you get credit for catching us out on the "smocking" thing. Good on you, dumb on us. I for one seldom read Trump's tweets.

You are sticking to form, however: you obsess over every word he says or writes, and ignore the progress, because it sticks in your craw to see him succeed.

We pay little attention to his words, and appreciate his accomplishments for the country.

Yet somehow, we are the stupid ones!
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 05:42
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I'll bite.
Just what are His accomplishments as president? Real, actual accomplishments.
His alone, not whatever cumulative successes might be being enjoyed in the instant due to reasonably good prior governance from previous administrations?
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 06:17
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Well Meadow, we can start with 2 good picks for USSC, reversing the prior trend to judicial activism.
Then we can add abandoning the Iran sellout deal, the Paris Climate hoax accord, and now the silly Migrant platitude agreement.

Those are enough for me right there. International trade agreements, North Korean, Jerusalem, attention to border control -- all making progress. In spite of the fact that the Repubs couldn't produce anything of value despite being in the majority in both houses of Congress.

Sorry you don't agree, but that's not really my problem. You can carry on worrying about his orange face and smocking.
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 06:43
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An achievement is something which someone has succeeded in doing.
Not a work in progress, not works in progress with very unknown outcomes.
I'll give you the two judges. He managed to get to get two people on a court.

I have never once commented on his discoloured suntan bed hue with the subsequent goggle eye shading effect or his ability to misspell a simple word twice in one paragraph.

Perhaps a list of his screw-ups, accomplished and works in progress would be more defining. Is there enough bandwidth?

For the pilot drivers in our good forum, here's a question.
Would you want a Trump in the LHS at the start of a long and difficult duty day?

Also waiting for about 6 well respected psychologists to offer their professional opinions, from observation, of the state of the head of state.
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 09:43
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
PDR: I see it a bit different from WC:

Yes, you get credit for catching us out on the "smocking" thing. Good on you, dumb on us. I for one seldom read Trump's tweets.

You are sticking to form, however: you obsess over every word he says or writes, and ignore the progress, because it sticks in your craw to see him succeed.
It's not that I "obsess over every word he writes" - it's more a matter of being aware of what goes on in the world around me. It beggars belief that normal, intelligent people can vote for, and then make excuses for, an incompetent, corrupt, illiterate, incoherent and seemingly barely sentient gibbon like Dirty Donald, so we are forced to conclude that slightly less than half of the US electorate share at least one (usually several) of those defining characteristics. It is sad to have to think this, but nothing you or any of your fellow Trump apologists have said on the subject to date would tend to challenge that conclusion. The man is clearly a crook and a bully. I guess you just happen to LIKE crooks and bullies as a lifestyle choice.

You are free to express you opinion, and we are free to judge your character on the basis of the opinions you express. That's kinda the way it works.

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Old 15th Dec 2018, 13:45
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Well PDR,

“I guess you just happen to LIKE crooks and bullies as a lifestyle choice”

it will I’ll be interesting to see how many Commitee Memberships, support of members bills and general pork barrel spending it cost Pelosi to keep her position as Speaker through 2022.

BTW, that’s our tax dollars they are playing with to do that.

All the political thievery, skullduggery and double dealing goes on in closed door sessions and private members clubs, with nary a thought for anyone outside the Beltway.

Yet everyone keeps electing these crooks and bullies, I wonder why?
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 15:01
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Meadow, your logic escapes me. Piloting and politicing have little in common. You wouldn’t want to see me, an amateur, in that LHS, and I suspect you would be of little use at an operating room table.

The people, via the system bequeathed to them, told our established political class that we are tired of their self perpetuating ways. Indeed, we have a bunch of crooks and bullies in government. Most of them are Democrats. Fortunately they are finding there are limits to their powers. Other nations are starting to see the same things.
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 15:36
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Meadow, your logic escapes me. Piloting and politicing have little in common. You wouldn’t want to see me, an amateur, in that LHS, and I suspect you would be of little use at an operating room table.

The people, via the system bequeathed to them, told our established political class that we are tired of their self perpetuating ways. Indeed, we have a bunch of crooks and bullies in government. Most of them are Democrats. Fortunately they are finding there are limits to their powers. Other nations are starting to see the same things.
It’s official, you are delusional. Let’s play a game. You claim most of the crooks in government are Democrats. You name all the serving Democrats who have been found guilty or who are currently under criminal investigation, and I’ll do the same with the Republicans and we’ll see what the numbers tell us (speaking of which, I notice Ryan Zinke must have decided that he’s under one too many of those investigations to be able to keep his nose in the trough unmolested).

Also, ‘the people’ are sick of crooks and bullies so they hire Donald Trump???
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 17:51
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Hempy, your game is over in one round: Ted Kennedy.

Murdered a woman then pled it down to cheating at tiddly winks, or something similar, and carried on as if nothing happened.

Let me know when you find a Repub of similar disgusting morality.
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Old 16th Dec 2018, 01:36
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I found this article enlightening. A lot of these comments came from hardcore conservatives as well:

“Like an 11-year-old child”— Steve Bannon. The now estranged advisor also allegedly complained that he was “sick of being a wet nurse to a 71-year-old man.”

Working with Trump is “like trying to figure out what a child wants”—White House deputy chief of staff Katie Walsh

“The White House has become an adult day care center”—Republican senator Bob Corker of Tennessee

“Morally unfit to be president,” “unethical” and “untethered to truth”—former FBI director James Comey, who also compared the US president to a mafia boss.

“Less a person than a collection of terrible traits”—Trump’s former chief economic adviser Gary Cohn

“Some who sucks up and s**ts down” - former Fox News boss Roger Ailes

“A f***king moron” - former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson

“Dumb as s**t”, - Economic advisor Gary Cohen

“A dope”, “An idiot [with the intelligence of] a kindergartener”” - former National Security Advisor HR McMaster

“not only crazy, […] stupid” - friend Tom Barrack

“an idiot” - former Chief of Staff John Kelly

“An idiot” - Reince Preibus, Steve Mnuchin

All the ways Trump’s closest confidants insult his intelligence

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Old 16th Dec 2018, 02:49
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For those few of you here interested in both sides of the issue of Trump, here is an interesting article, by a Frenchman not known for his great love for America or Americans. Well, actually, for anyone not French:

Houellebecq

Even he sees the importance of someone like Trump at this time.
(The pay wall might be in the way. I have it in pdf if someone pm's me.)
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Old 16th Dec 2018, 03:16
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
For those few of you here interested in both sides of the issue of Trump, here is an interesting article, by a Frenchman not known for his great love for America or Americans. Well, actually, for anyone not French:

Houellebecq

Even he sees the importance of someone like Trump at this time.
(The pay wall might be in the way. I have it in pdf if someone pm's me.)
So what he is essentially saying is that Trump will diminish the standing of the US in the world and that’s a good thing overall for the rest of the planet. Not really a ringing endorsement of the man.

I also question the sanity of any writer who thinks that Americans will be begging for Ted Cruz once Trump is gone.

I prefer to take the opinion of those who have actually worked with Trump close up in the White House, the ones who have called him a moron, an idiot, a child etc.
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Old 16th Dec 2018, 03:23
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Made no suggestion that the author endorsed Trump. Simply that he saw Trump's current relevance, since we have so many here who refuse to accept that there are things he is accomplishing. It is up to you if you think those are worthwhile things.

And yes, the more I see of Cruz, the better I like him as a contender.
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 00:16
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Pro-Republican mouthpiece on the payoffs two weeks before the election:

Look, you have to know something is against the law in order to commit a crime.

Which is a new one on me, having always gone by the far older "ignorance of the law is no excuse" thing.
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 14:10
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obgraham,
Simply that he saw Trump's current relevance, since we have so many here who refuse to accept that there are things he is accomplishing. It is up to you if you think those are worthwhile things.
Trump's "accomplishments" are works in progress. History will determine worth if any. But, there is a way to see how things are progressing by comparing Trump's current work in progress "accomplishments" to the best accomplishments of recent presidents:

Johnson and Obama improved health care for the poor, Trump is weakening it.
Johnson and Obama helped extend equality to blacks, Trump is empowering white supremacists.
Several past presidents helped women's rights, Trump is denigrating and disempowering women.
Johnson made immigration more fair, Trump is implementing inhumane policies, separating immigrant children from their parents.
Carter reduced Israel-Palestine tensions, Trump is inflaming them.
George H.W. Bush and Clinton worked to improve trade, Trump is starting a trade war.
Carter stressed ethics, Trump is stocking his Cabinet with questionable ethics of billionaires and bankers friends.
Reagan and George H. W. Bush reduced nuclear tensions by negotiating, Trump is raising tensions by canceling agreements and tweeting.
George W. Bush helped Africa reduce HIV, Trump is insulting Africa and cutting humanitarian aid.
Past presidents educated themselves, invited debate and read briefing books, Trump is watching TV.
Nixon strengthened environmental protection, Trump is denying global warming, thereby threatening the livability of the planet.

Almost all of Trump's work in progress "accomplishments" as president are hurting the United States.
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 14:26
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obgraham,
Let me know when you find a Repub of similar disgusting morality.
Let me help you and Hempy out with letting you know of a Repub that fits.

Dick Cheney, VPOTUS. Shot his close friend at close range in the face with a shotgun that required the removal of 200+ pellets. Cheney then took advantage of his friend's mild-mannered personna by never apologizing to him for the accidental shooting. Cheney was obviously protecting his monetary assets for any potential forthcoming lawsuit, real or imagined, Never admit anything, never apologize. Disgusting morality in my book...
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 14:55
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Yeah. Here in sophisticated 2018/19/20 we still have the politics and politicians of the pig trough, hog wallow, knife in the back, old boy's club,
southern-style old boy's club (a special breed, slightly apart) and Tammany Hall codes of moralities.

There is a long running gag in "Corner Gas" where, when anyone one mentions "Wullerton", everyone instinctively turns their heads and spits.
Insert "politics".
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 15:09
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Hilary forces budgetary stand-off

Looks as if the pernicious influence of Ms. Clinton is bringing the U.S. government to a possible shutdown. I read that unless Congress stumps up the money for aa border wall that Mr. Trump will shut down a limited part of the government.

It seems that since things have gone this far in the wrong direction that surely Ms. Clinton must be involved seeing as Mr. Trump accuses her of all and various evil actions. After all, we so often hear the feeble bleating "but but but Hilary."

But will Mr. Trump outfox her opposition actions (even though she is not part of the government proper) and get his money? Or will her ghost stymie him again?
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