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Old 17th Nov 2018, 02:16
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I never understand people who think digging deeper helps. It only confirms the worlds's view you're not that bright
Galileo Galilei may quibble on that assessment.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 03:04
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Originally Posted by neila83 View Post
If anyone supports Donald Trump after what he tweeted about the California fires last week, they are beneath pond life.
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Trump took a swing at the government, get over it. Don’t be a drama queen and extrapolate it out to what it’s not.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 03:27
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There is another side to this.

What good does it do for everybody to wring their hands and offer condolences and Fund mes every six month for the same old disaster. We don't do this for airplane crashes and write them off as bad luck or the wrath of God. Instead one needs to go after meaningful reductions in the loss of life, livelihood and property against a measured and defined risk.

Now bring on somebody who can say this to the both the public and their elected officials and we'll consider replacing Trump
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 03:32
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post


Trump took a swing at the government, get over it. Don’t be a drama queen and extrapolate it out to what it’s not.
Do you offer the same advice to the drama queen in chief? Given everything he said was nonsense.

This is an ongoing situation in which people are dying. horrifically. Should the president a) be taking charge, or is doing what he can to help the situation, be a leader, and a source of reassurance and strength for people or b) 'take a pop at government'

By the way he is government. And if you think he is anti-establishmemt/government, well theres no saving you. He's laughing at all you guys wrapped around his finger. What words do you think Trump uses to describe his supporters in private? Do you think he cares? Aww.

But all good to really the to troops hey! The excuses do not stop. He was right. His cheerleaders would forgive him a lot more than shooting someone in time square. Brainwashed zombies.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 03:41
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Originally Posted by neila83 View Post
Do you offer the same advice to the drama queen in chief? Given everything he said was nonsense.

This is an ongoing situation in which people are dying. horrifically. Should the president a) be taking charge, or is doing what he can to help the situation, be a leader, and a source of reassurance and strength for people or b) 'take a pop at government'

By the way he is government. And if you think he is anti-establishmemt/government, well theres no saving you. He's laughing at all you guys wrapped around his finger. What words do you think Trump uses to describe his supporters in private? Do you think he cares? Aww.

But all good to really the to troops hey! The excuses do not stop. He was right. His cheerleaders would forgive him a lot more than shooting someone in time square. Brainwashed zombies.
What a load of jibberish. What specific about Trump’s statement should people choose to be hurt about?


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Old 17th Nov 2018, 03:55
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Originally Posted by West Coast View Post


What a load of jibberish. What specific about Trump’s statement should people choose to be hurt about?


If you want jibberish read his tweet 6 days ago when he put it all down to 'bad forest management'. And threatened to withhold funds'. Or was it the worst, or failing forest management?

In the midst of the crisis, as people are dying, he threatened to withhold money. 'Remedy now or no more Fed payments'. And it took a Passadena firefighter to personally point out he was wrong. Were they a drama queen? But of course, his supporters already swallowed it, already jump on anyone who says otherwise, so job done I guess. Who needs morals when your supporters already sucked the rest up.
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So yeh that part.

Were you this forgiving with Obama? Be honest now.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 04:14
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OMG! Gag me with a spoon.

It's spelled "gibberish," actually.

It has taken a while, but people do finally seem to be getting really tired of Trump's lying abuse. There is the awkward fact that a lot of the land that caught fire in California is under federal, not state, management. That's a pretty strong fact to use opposing what Trump said, aside from what he said having been crashingly insensitive even had it been true.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 04:31
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
It's spelled "gibberish," actually. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5Mr5eCF2U

It has taken a while, but people do finally seem to be getting really tired of Trump's lying abuse. There is the awkward fact that a lot of the land that caught fire in California is under federal, not state, management. That's a pretty strong fact to use opposing what Trump said, aside from what he said having been crashingly insensitive even had it been true.
Good addition Chuks! One of my favorites. A movie that couldn’t be made these days with everyone seeking to be butthurt about everything. Butthurt much the same way you and others are about Trump’s tweets about the government.

We should have a truce among the combatants for a night clips from comedy classics.



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Old 17th Nov 2018, 04:47
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The “Camp” Fire was started by PGand E, the utility. A tree blew into high tension and off we go. It wasn’t a “campfire”. Our fires get odd names.
What Trump said about wild land fires is the truth. The Sierra Club and others have gone to Court hundreds of times to prevent any sustainable logging, or even grooming. Our fuels are out of control. The fire was moving a hundred feet per second through the town of Paradise. There’s nothing left, Burned bodies were found in idling cars.

There are some stubborn greenies who have blood on their hands. I want my California back.

I don’t dare bring up bums taking a crap in the middle of Market Street at any time in daylight. One has to step over piles of fecal matter walking in front of Gumps, and Macy’s. The Democrats are certifiable. City Government.... never mind.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 05:09
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If you want jibberish read his tweet 6 days ago when he put it all down to 'bad forest management'. And threatened to withhold funds'. Or was it the worst, or failing forest management?
Just because you don't understand what bad forestry management means out here in the Western US, doesn't make Trump's statement untrue.

As an example, there are miles and miles of dead trees in the West due to the Pine Beetles. Still standing there, waiting for an errant spark, before turning into another inferno. Yes, much of it is government land, and has not been "managed". Why do you think that is?
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 05:50
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
Just because you don't understand what bad forestry management means out here in the Western US, doesn't make Trump's statement untrue.

As an example, there are miles and miles of dead trees in the West due to the Pine Beetles. Still standing there, waiting for an errant spark, before turning into another inferno. Yes, much of it is government land, and has not been "managed". Why do you think that is?
For fire concerns I took down two pines on my property killed by bark beetles, yet the open land preserve near my house has let fuel go unchecked for well over a decade. I do my part, silly to expect the government to do theirs.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 06:30
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It was nice to see Trump trophy, Queen Ilsa step out of the ice cave and in her scripted, monotonic, monolithic, language challenged way, fire a long-serving someone who did not deserve the honour.

Was something about the wrong toilet paper and a drafty seat on her last flights. ?
What are her titular responsibilities in her high office again?
She's no Zsa Zsa Gabor.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 09:38
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After the whole saga with Trump and Veterans/Armistice Day, it’s unbelievable to think how any military personnel could still support him.

Fox News and the Republicans love to portray the Democrats as “not supporting veterans” and “hating the troops”.

If it were a Democrat or leftist politician who did this Fox News and their allies would be having a brain aneurysm right now, because it’s their dear leader they give him every chance to explain himself with a pathetically weak answer rather than tear him to shreds:

DONALD TRUMP TELLS FOX NEWS HE WAS TOO 'BUSY ON CALLS' TO VISIT ARLINGTON CEMETERY ON VETERANS DAY
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 10:25
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Inconsistent, moi?

WC, sometimes I am right there with you, as in the matter of perpetual starlet Hanoi Jane Fonda. There the only question should be "Flog her and then hang her, or should it be the other way around?" Not that there's a raging inferno of Jane-hate nowadays, just a few glowing coals, because she's just not worth it.

Jane got hers being married to that pizza-faced toe-rag, when the combination of her money and Tom Hayden's righteous indignation utterly failed to sell; that was payback enough, I think. (There's this misconception that wealth leads to political success in the States. Not so, particularly in the case of Nelson Rockefeller, but also in the case of Tom Hayden, bankrolled by his then-wife Jane Fonda. The voting public mostly were left unstirred by both men.)

The thing about Trump is the way that he floats over our political landscape like a runaway gasbag filled with methane, leaking his stinking lies wherever he flops down. It would have been bad enough if that zinger about the fires in California being down to bad state management were true. Then he would merely have been showing his utter lack of compassion. Since most of the affected land is under federal management, though, that shows him up as a liar, too. It will be interesting to see what sort of reception Trump gets after what he had tweeted while the fires were still burning, and probably while people were still dying.

I put nothing past him, so that I wonder if Trump's calculus is that fear of loss of funding, signed off by Guess Who, will keep Californians from coming out in force to denounce him for the unfeeling, lying clod that he is. It is notable that he now wants to cut funding for Puerto Rico after the mayor of San Juan was so mean to him.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 11:19
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I never normally contribute to this thread as I feel that US politics are a matter for US citizens, and nothing to do with me. However I would like to make a small non-political contribution if I may and that is to express my shock about the tragedy that is unfolding in California as the likely death toll rises into four figures. My condolences to the friends and relatives of those who died, and I'd like to express my admiration for the untiring efforts of the emergency services in trying to keep the fires under control, and respect for those involved in the difficult task of recovering and identifying the remains of the victims.

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Old 17th Nov 2018, 14:28
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Originally Posted by Concours77 View Post
The “Camp” Fire was started by PGand E, the utility. A tree blew into high tension and off we go. It wasn’t a “campfire”. Our fires get odd names.
What Trump said about wild land fires is the truth. The Sierra Club and others have gone to Court hundreds of times to prevent any sustainable logging, or even grooming. Our fuels are out of control. The fire was moving a hundred feet per second through the town of Paradise. There’s nothing left, Burned bodies were found in idling cars.

There are some stubborn greenies who have blood on their hands. I want my California back.

I don’t dare bring up bums taking a crap in the middle of Market Street at any time in daylight. One has to step over piles of fecal matter walking in front of Gumps, and Macy’s. The Democrats are certifiable. City Government.... never mind.
Apparently PG&E equipment failure has been the cause of 17 out of 19 wildfires.
Perhaps if the guarantor of this Public Utility, The State, spent some of the $6 billion cash on hand to help it replace hardware before it fails, or took its head out of its ass and stop blaming climate change for a minute or two, then we might, just might, not have these situations anywhere near as often.
On a sad note, one could have made a lot of money on PG&E stock these past couple of days, it took a massive hit as the realization of the magnitude of the losses as life and property mounted and the CA Govt’s position of limited liability sunk in.
Then it soared after the Govt decided that all the losses would be recovered via rate and taxpayers, whereas if they had honestly accepted that one of the companies they are responsible for was causing the majority of the wildfires, which they then had to pay to fight, things may have been a lot different.

However, there is a solution to all of this. Our Gover Elect Newsome’s plan to offer free healthcare to all, legal residents or not.
We simply open the southern border to all, bulldoze and pave from San Diego to the Oregon border, coast to Nevada State line, let anyone throw up tent cities anywhere, apart from where the rich folks live, voila, no more wildfires.

It is terrible, absolutely horrible to think that the loss of life could have been prevented/minimized simply by folks doing their jobs instead of pursuing agendas.

I cannot imagine how terrifyingly awful it must have been to get in your vehicle only to be trapped and burned alive.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 17:04
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Another classic from the orange Blob. Apparently at a 'ceremony' he misquoted the iconic words 'Elvis Presley has left the building' as 'Elvis Presley has left the HOUSE'. He must be one of the biggest di**heads that has ever been on this planet.
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Sorry, pedant mode online....

The specific quote is..."Elvis has left the building".
"Presley" was never, ever needed.

That first use was in December 1956 by Horace Logan, who was the announcer at the Louisiana Hayride show, in which Elvis was a regular performer. Presley had very quickly become very popular with teenagers but had previously taken a regular lowly spot at the Hayride, which was his first big break. He was on the bill quite early in proceedings but after his performance was over and the encore complete, the crowd of teenagers, who weren't Hillbilly enthusiasts, began to leave. Logan announced:
"Please, young people ... Elvis has left the building. He has gotten in his car and driven away ... Please take your seats"


Trump is no Elvis.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 17:46
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo View Post
Another classic from the orange Blob. Apparently at a 'ceremony' he misquoted the iconic words 'Elvis Presley has left the building' as 'Elvis Presley has left the HOUSE'. He must be one of the biggest di**heads that has ever been on this planet.
Doesnt say much for all the other di**head politicians he beat out then does it?

If Biden runs in 2020 he will make Trump look scholarly.
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Old 17th Nov 2018, 22:20
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Chuks - I am constantly amused entertained and educated by your posts. Like you I am appalled to the point of cardiac arrest by El Trumpeone. But I can do Bug*erall about this pathological vermin that is eating away at the rest of the world's confidence and respect for the USA, because I am a Furriner. I am from the UK which used to think that it had a special relationship with USA Government. But I am old enough and wise enough now to realize that we Brits have been deluding ourselves about that SR. It is a an illusion created by our own arrogance over the years. Nevertheless I note carefully that the USA saved us from fascism in both WW1 and WW2 with appalling loss of life and treasure to the USA.

I am depressed and will continue to be depressed until I see signs of the demise of El Trumpeone by whatever route.

I have almost forgotten the point about El Trumpeone that I was going to offer..... Oh yes.... Have you noted how many times The Donald appears in interviews and pressers with his arms tightly folded across his ample unexercised bosum? Why have no mediashrinks offered any opinions on his body language?
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