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Old 5th Nov 2018, 13:38
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Donald likes ice cream so give him a cornuto.

Before the Revolution I had a few Iranian flight students, good guys. Just rich kids, basically, but good guys for all of that.

My wife had a classmate at the MHH from Iran, with whom she kept in touch until her classmate's death from natural causes back in Iran.

My daughter recently had another Iranian classmate, also at the MHH. He was kind enough to bring back a really special backgammon set for her to give to us, one with Persian miniatures in the middle of each half, and a high degree of craftsmanship. It's really nice to play this game from that part of the world on a set from the same place.

I bought four nice Persian rugs for the house. I think they are from Tabriz, an ancient Iranian center of carpet-weaving, and they really do tie two of our rooms together.

All this sort of stuff, person-to-person contact, and some trade, is worth much more than threatening behavior by Trump. When those rulers in Iran want to show their people that nuclear weapons are really necessary, worth all the pain they have endured recently, don't they need a Great Satan, a hostile USA, as an extreme and continuing external threat, along with various other barriers to trade? I think so, and that is exactly what Trump is delivering to the religious fanatics who rule Iran.

If only we could get MIke Pence to meet Mahmoud Ahmadinejad then they would discover how much they have in common, when I think they would be even better friends than Trump is with Putin. Trump and Putin ... that's just style, where Pence and Ahmadinejad ... that would be religion! You know, bigotry, hypocrisy, a liking for the death sentence, a wish to see women as a lesser species and a source of temptation, hatred of gay rights ... all of their favorite things are shared. It would be a real bummer for the citizenry of both countries, but our VP and their former President would see eye-to-eye on so many things that they would just have to come away friends for life.

In terms of aviation, of course, it is striking that Trump shows no concern over recent deals between Boeing and Iran. He's wittering on about the cost of giving our funny Saudi friends a slap on the wrist for making some writer for the Post vanish in a way that has yet to be explained. There we have to think about the money involved, imaginarily huge sums as told by Trump. Actual lost sales by Boeing ... not a word about that, so far. Then there is the way that European commercial aircraft sales probably will also be hit. I guess it's okay that Boeing gets it in the shorts as long as Airbus does too. That would be about the way that Trump thinks, I suppose.

Given that we were never going to be able to stop the Iranian nuclear program by military means (too dispersed, too well protected, not well enough located), wouldn't it make sense to turn down the heat on the Iranian government and turn up our efforts at making contact with the Iranian populace?

Trump is no reader, so that I doubt that he would see the value of some deal that gave Iranians access to USIA libraries in exchange for, oh, I don't know, some F-14 spares. You know, give the fanatics some stuff that goes bang to keep them happy, while we give far more dangerous stuff to their long-suffering people; do a lateral move. Poor Donald, he only understands the "bull in a china shop" approach. He charges in there bellowing, wreaks havoc, and then retreats snorting, tossing his horns as if he won the fight. Send a cultural envoy instead, Donald; see if that might work better.

That image of horned Donald reminds me of something: There's an old Italian insult, the cornuto (the "horns"). You hold your middle and ring finger folded with the thumb, index and little fingers spread out, and then put the back of your hand to your forehead, fingers upright. It means that there is another mule kicking in your stall, that your wife is entertaining visitors. Given the way that Trump has behaved during all three of his marriages, being quite proudly horny, wouldn't it drive him mad to think that Melania is paying him back now in his own coin, making him horned?

Give Trump the "horns" but tell him it's Italian for "Good luck." That would work same as the "finger" fooled those North Koreans. (I had this brother-in-law get into a bit of trouble on an Autostrada somewhere near Naples when the other driver gave him the "horns." He thought the guy was a fan of some Texas football team, so he was giving them back quite happily, shouting "Hook 'em horns!" No, the next thing after the horns is a shooting or a stabbing, a delitto d'onore, an "honor killing" that sees your Italian killer go free.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 00:58
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Ooh, cranky! !
When people post stupid stuff, being a crybaby when called on it ought to embarrass them.
I have already dealt with one such, and I hope I won't have to deal with two.

As to cranky, yeah. The local election season does that to me. I get to try and figure out which one of the local crooks is least likely to screw up our infrastructure, our roads, and our schools. So far, in the last six local elections, the "people with common sense" have gained no ground, and I think the district will lose some.
The only good news is that a judge that I know is a shoe in for keeping his seat, and a few of the usual idiots didn't stand for election this time around.
So we have new idiots.

The national mess is a tale, told by an idiot, filled with sound and fury, signifying ... that in a democracy, the people get the government that they deserve.

Prediction, before the tallies are in:

President Trump's slash and burn approach to getting elected, to getting his message out, to getting those in his party who do not make proper genuflection to him to get run off, and his never ending war of words with the media (Don, they have more people, and more words, you can't win that one) has set his party up for a fall as of tomorrow.
He had a choice: lead (how to be a President) , build an effective team (what a leader does) or rabble rouse (how to get elected)
I'd say he chose the latter.

It will be interesting to see what he tries to pull on a Congress where they are all in opposition.
Sitting duck.
Two years of entertainment, and stand up comedians not having to do much work for their material.
As I said a while back, we'll survive him.
America has survived a variety of people who arrived at 1600 Pennsylvnia Avenue.
All of you chicken-littles who have been predicting the end of the world and the rise of a Trumptator remain fools.
Doubly so for the foreigners. Some of you still don't get it.
Don't make me flash my Mensa card; that never ends well.
I'll show you mine if you show me yoursl
Beyond that, if we're so smart, how come we ain't rich?

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Old 6th Nov 2018, 05:18
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One more day .... From Wednesday we might know much better what the next two or even six years will bring.

When we were in Manhattan recently I took the wife on a long walk, all the way from Macy's to the WTC. Along the way we visited Washington Square Park, when I cheered myself up by reading an inscription on the arch there, a quote from George Washington: "Let us raise a standard to which the wise and the honest can repair. The event is in the hand of God. "

Is it always stupid to retreat into idealism, Lonewolf, to do some sort of swing of the moral compass? I agree that politicians as a class are a bit economical with the verité, and often much more focused on self-interest than the common good, but it still has to be so that Elizabeth Warren, for example, is more truthful than Donald Trump; that Al Franken is much less of a sex pest than he is; and so on. We are being invited constantly to share Trump's sometimes stated point of view, "What do you have to lose [by voting for Trump]?" as if all politicians are less truthful and just as perverted as he is. If we can't find someone close to Christ or at least Sir Lancelot why not settle for a Donald Trump?

It must be nice to know that you are so darn smart that you know brainy Mencken was right about US politicians and US politics, but to be just a bit smarter than that is to know that Mencken was often "wrong"; he often wrote satire, not objectively truthful fact. (For example, William Jennings Bryan as Secretary of State probably never exclaimed of Haiti, "N*ggers speaking French!" Mencken making that satirical claim nailed an aspect of Bryan, but Bryan was not actually that ignorant.)

Here and now we often satirize Trump, perhaps forgetting that his reality is pretty much beyond satire, so that there's not much point to doing that. He was merely shagging a Playmate who looked an awful lot like Ivanka; with Ivanka herself he's merely groped her in public a few times so that we can only speculate about how much creepier he has been with her in private. Satirizing him gives him a pass for the truly awful things he really has done, though. It's fun, sure, but it lets him get away with too much, and with Trump just a little bit of him is way too much. (With Hitler, did we really need to be told that his touring car had a built-in toilet?)

Any luck, loss of Republican control of the House will see a flood of fact coming to bury Trump, not least his tax returns being made public. Then everyone who likes to make fun of Trump can stop with that for a while to contemplate the sight of him being put on the rack. I look forward to finding a crumb of sympathy for him, in fact.

I was out road-testing a car while Nixon gave his farewell speech, which was playing on the radio instead of Doctor Demento as usual. As I listened I thought, "Good God! To have a Nixon impersonator doing this now, when it's not even a good impersonation ... this is going too far." Nope, that really was Nixon, Nixon doing self-satire, and it was followed by that famous scene where he stood in the door of Marine One giving a double "V for Victory."

I could not have imagined what happened then to NIxon, so how can I imagine what is going to happen now to Trump? All I can go by is the idealism embodied in that inscription, when it can't have all vanished, and a vague idea that "Cheaters never prosper."

Trump took Roy Cohn for his mentor, and look what happened to him.

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Old 6th Nov 2018, 05:58
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Beyond that, if we're so smart, how come we ain't rich?
I believe, in the age of Trump, the correct form of that expression is now: "If you're so rich, why ain't you smart?"

Enjoyed your post anyway - no criticism implied. Looking forward to what eventuates tomorrow and next year.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 13:48
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
The Donald Trump lecture series on ‘innocent until proven guilty’

Tom Toles(Tom Toles)
Millions of people are locked up every day without proof of guilt, innocence remains the working foundation. I know we disagree about some things, but locking Hillary up requires only a warrant for arrest. An arrestee frequently us subjected to ore trial hearing, or secret Grand Jury investigation of evidence. She remains free because she has remained protected by politics, there has been no legal proceeding. There is voluminous evidence of guilt; far more than I would need to find her guilty of some very serious violations of Law. Did you know there is Process for a private citizen to indict her? After arrest, said citizen can prosecute her and she can be found guilty at Court, sentence imposed by a court of competent jurisdiction.

see: “Private Attorney General”

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Old 6th Nov 2018, 14:37
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Originally Posted by Concours77 View Post


Did you know there is Process for a private citizen to indict her? After arrest, said citizen can prosecute her and she can be found guilty at Court, sentence imposed by a court of competent jurisdiction.

see: “Private Attorney General”

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I don't believe a private att gen is allowed to proceed with a criminal indictment. My exposure was long ago, but if memory serves, it is only a civil case for advancement of a civil rights violation. Once started, the plaintiff files the lawsuit against a defendant using the private att gen provision to enforce financial reward. It is similar to a class action lawsuit, except the defendant in this case must answer to the court for civil actions infringing on rights or case law related to the action at hand. As an example, the tobacco industry has been the target of more than one private att gen lawsuit, but as far as I'm aware, no one can be 'indicted' and face criminal prosecution by a non-state attorney.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 15:51
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Say what?

By "locking people up" without "proof of guilt" you must be referring to "pre-trial dentention." That is usually imposed when there's risk of flight, a reasonable assumption that you are not going to appear for trial, or as in the recent case of Paul Manafort, when you are going to do something naughty to influence your case such as contacting witnesses. Normally, though, defendants either post bail or even are released on their own recognizance. We do not just lock people up, certainly not when they are white and wealthy.

In another life I used to fly off in great haste to various parts of Florida, along with a bail bondsman. We were in a rush to get drug smugglers bailed out of some county hoosegow ASAP, before they could decide to turn state's evidence; that would probably have meant needing to hire a hit man or men, depending. Anyway, when we got there, there would be this courtroom line-up of sunburnt losers, skinny crackers all looking rather sorry for themselves who, aided by my man, a big, fat Miami Jew, would just post bond and then walk free despite having been caught with a boatload of "square groupers, marimba." This all seemed to be just business as usual.

Another part of my working life was hauling the losing losers back and forth from the federal prison in Homestead, Florida to the United States Medical Center for Federal Prisoners, in Springfield, Missouri. Chatting with the guards they told me that the trick was not to get caught on your first dope run, when you had no money for bail and a lawyer, plus you were quite expendable then.

It was good to know, that, except that they did not have any advice about how to manage this essential trick dependably, so that I just carried on working for $10 per flight hour as an air taxi pilot instead of joining the high-paying, fast-paced, and exciting world of dope smuggling.

That's about it for my legal background.

It's an exciting notion, "con," just walking up to Hillary Clinton on the street and trying to slap the cuffs on her, working from your own fantasies about some "Process for a private citizen to indict her."

You might want to remember, though, that Hillary is entitled to lifetime protection from the Secret Service. We (some of us anyway, just not me) would hate to see you get a really sudden reality check, to be sent sprawling face-down on the sidewalk by some female agent, when the cuffs would be slapped onto you instead of Hillary. Curses, foiled again! Do us a favor, though, if you really do try this; take along a friend with a GoPro to film what happens next, right after you try to arrest Hillary Clinton as a "private Attorney General."

Are you also a Sovereign Citizen, "con," in addition to being a potential private Attorney General? Be sure to tell the Secret Service that; it might help.

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Old 6th Nov 2018, 16:04
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Never mind though, La Clinton says that it is essential for Democrats to win the House so that Civility can return to America instead of the strength from which the Republicans lead. Terribly sorry old girl but I think if El Trumpo has spoken nicely to the Chinese sainted of sticking the trade bayonet in, there's still be a nasty North Korean bobbing about in the China seas.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 19:12
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The cash bail system in the US is undergoing radical changes. Many counties and some state courts are going to almost complete RoR, with no cash bail except for serious felonies. It's turning into a nightmare for the courts as defendants for minor crimes are no longer showing up. Which leads to a bench warrant, which leads to a skip tracer, which leads to no one going after criminals because there is NO MONEY in catching the perp where there is no chance of recompense for the no bail. Some counties in the south have an open case file in the tens of thousands where bench warrants are outstanding. The only way they get caught is when they commit a more serious crime, and their are already in the system for no-show on the prev infraction. At some point then the criminal(alleged) will get to a high enough point that they will have no option of bail after committing murder, rape, or other violent crime to go along with the prev 15 arrests for property crime, assault, drugs, etc.

How I would do it if I were a Gov or county manager: For each person arrested, the cost of their indictment, trial, defense(if req), court costs, and incarceration costs would be estimated. From that estimate, add 15% for misc charges and that would be the bailment due. Ex: Arrested for distribution of class A narcotics. Indictment, trial, court, and 5 years of detention = $277,624. Bail due: $319,267. Have a nice day.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 04:21
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Mea culpa...mea maxima culpa

Good morning. Well, once again I must admit when I am wrong. I was in stark contraposition to those who said that since Trump prevailed in 2016 that the polls would once again prove to be wildly errant. That because I am a foreigner that I should not voice an opinion because it is tainted by that amorphous, yet monolithic, ever controlling flunkly liberal press that every time it hoves into view is only to serve as an enemy of the people.

Look. You were right and I was wrong. The Democrats were revealed to be the most hapless harem of know nothings ever assembled and decidedly lost the House. My bad.

Excuse me for a moment will you. Yes mother? What is that you say? The Democrats won the House? Now that can't be correct. Have you looked outside to see if that monolithic flunky liberal Matrix has hoved into view? Yes mother. I know mother.

Sorry gentlemmen. That was mother. She was saying that the Dems did win the House but, as expected, lost the Senate. I better go see what is going on...as right here on this thread it was predicted, with great assurity, that the party opposite was not going to take either chamber. Such confusion!
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 05:18
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Oh waiter.

I’ll have what he’s drinking...
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 06:09
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The lateral evade ....

Trump did something interesting in the closing stages of this campaign, focusing on the Senate race and sort of writing off the possible loss of the House, saying that he'd figure that one out later. It will be interesting to see how he figures it out, since it seems to have happened.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 10:20
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I appreciate that american politics tend to be rather strange, but surely this is taking "better dead* than red" to silly extremes:

Nevada elects dead man to state assembly

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* and yes, I do appreciate that the red candidate isn't necessarily a red, because the blue candidate is actually the leftie in the colonies just to add to the fun
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 12:09
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Would one of 'our cousins' be so kind to explain in simple terms what it means to the present US leader if he controls the Senate, but the opposition controls The House of Representatives ? If it were an arm-wrestle, who would be at an advantage ? Thanks!
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 12:46
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How's that red wave going? Some here assured us the Democrats had ensured it with their behaviour over the immigration authority.

It's almost like there are people here who are, ironically, completely out of touch with most of America. After all, a decent majority just voted for the democrats. As it did two years ago, actually, when did the republicans last get a majority in a presidential election, 2004? How could that happen if Americans ve turned against them so?

Then again a decent chunk of people here did immediately claim the mail bombs were false flag. I don't tend to take loony conspiracy theorists too seriously, whether its chemtrails or false flag attacks. That incident was kind of reassuring, as it really shone a light on how much on the fringes some folk here are, despite claiming to represent all Americans.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 13:20
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Would one of 'our cousins' be so kind to explain in simple terms what it means to the present US leader if he controls the Senate, but the opposition controls The House of Representatives ? If it were an arm-wrestle, who would be at an advantage ? Thanks!
It means Trump can get another pick for Supreme Court through should he get the chance and it restricts the ability for him to be impeached.

Otherwise its gridlock baby..
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 13:26
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Would one of 'our cousins' be so kind to explain in simple terms what it means to the present US leader if he controls the Senate, but the opposition controls The House of Representatives ? If it were an arm-wrestle, who would be at an advantage ? Thanks!
Making it all about Trump it goes like this

The House fingers him for all kinds of malfeasance but the Senate will refuse to convict him

much time will be wasted on personalities and nothing positive will be done for the people
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 14:07
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Making it all about Trump it goes like this

The House fingers him for all kinds of malfeasance but the Senate will refuse to convict him

much time will be wasted on personalities and nothing positive will be done for the people
Unfortunately so.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 14:16
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
Making it all about Trump it goes like this

The House fingers him for all kinds of malfeasance but the Senate will refuse to convict him

much time will be wasted on personalities and nothing positive will be done for the people
Feels strangely like the mid to late 90s again.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 17:15
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Could someone explain to a simpleton like me how the electorate have managed to have elected both parties to positions of power? Are the Senators elected by a different ballot mechanism?
I am confused.
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