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Old 6th Nov 2018, 14:37
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Originally Posted by Concours77 View Post


Did you know there is Process for a private citizen to indict her? After arrest, said citizen can prosecute her and she can be found guilty at Court, sentence imposed by a court of competent jurisdiction.

see: “Private Attorney General”

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I don't believe a private att gen is allowed to proceed with a criminal indictment. My exposure was long ago, but if memory serves, it is only a civil case for advancement of a civil rights violation. Once started, the plaintiff files the lawsuit against a defendant using the private att gen provision to enforce financial reward. It is similar to a class action lawsuit, except the defendant in this case must answer to the court for civil actions infringing on rights or case law related to the action at hand. As an example, the tobacco industry has been the target of more than one private att gen lawsuit, but as far as I'm aware, no one can be 'indicted' and face criminal prosecution by a non-state attorney.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 15:51
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Say what?

By "locking people up" without "proof of guilt" you must be referring to "pre-trial dentention." That is usually imposed when there's risk of flight, a reasonable assumption that you are not going to appear for trial, or as in the recent case of Paul Manafort, when you are going to do something naughty to influence your case such as contacting witnesses. Normally, though, defendants either post bail or even are released on their own recognizance. We do not just lock people up, certainly not when they are white and wealthy.

In another life I used to fly off in great haste to various parts of Florida, along with a bail bondsman. We were in a rush to get drug smugglers bailed out of some county hoosegow ASAP, before they could decide to turn state's evidence; that would probably have meant needing to hire a hit man or men, depending. Anyway, when we got there, there would be this courtroom line-up of sunburnt losers, skinny crackers all looking rather sorry for themselves who, aided by my man, a big, fat Miami Jew, would just post bond and then walk free despite having been caught with a boatload of "square groupers, marimba." This all seemed to be just business as usual.

Another part of my working life was hauling the losing losers back and forth from the federal prison in Homestead, Florida to the United States Medical Center for Federal Prisoners, in Springfield, Missouri. Chatting with the guards they told me that the trick was not to get caught on your first dope run, when you had no money for bail and a lawyer, plus you were quite expendable then.

It was good to know, that, except that they did not have any advice about how to manage this essential trick dependably, so that I just carried on working for $10 per flight hour as an air taxi pilot instead of joining the high-paying, fast-paced, and exciting world of dope smuggling.

That's about it for my legal background.

It's an exciting notion, "con," just walking up to Hillary Clinton on the street and trying to slap the cuffs on her, working from your own fantasies about some "Process for a private citizen to indict her."

You might want to remember, though, that Hillary is entitled to lifetime protection from the Secret Service. We (some of us anyway, just not me) would hate to see you get a really sudden reality check, to be sent sprawling face-down on the sidewalk by some female agent, when the cuffs would be slapped onto you instead of Hillary. Curses, foiled again! Do us a favor, though, if you really do try this; take along a friend with a GoPro to film what happens next, right after you try to arrest Hillary Clinton as a "private Attorney General."

Are you also a Sovereign Citizen, "con," in addition to being a potential private Attorney General? Be sure to tell the Secret Service that; it might help.

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Old 6th Nov 2018, 16:04
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Never mind though, La Clinton says that it is essential for Democrats to win the House so that Civility can return to America instead of the strength from which the Republicans lead. Terribly sorry old girl but I think if El Trumpo has spoken nicely to the Chinese sainted of sticking the trade bayonet in, there's still be a nasty North Korean bobbing about in the China seas.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 19:12
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The cash bail system in the US is undergoing radical changes. Many counties and some state courts are going to almost complete RoR, with no cash bail except for serious felonies. It's turning into a nightmare for the courts as defendants for minor crimes are no longer showing up. Which leads to a bench warrant, which leads to a skip tracer, which leads to no one going after criminals because there is NO MONEY in catching the perp where there is no chance of recompense for the no bail. Some counties in the south have an open case file in the tens of thousands where bench warrants are outstanding. The only way they get caught is when they commit a more serious crime, and their are already in the system for no-show on the prev infraction. At some point then the criminal(alleged) will get to a high enough point that they will have no option of bail after committing murder, rape, or other violent crime to go along with the prev 15 arrests for property crime, assault, drugs, etc.

How I would do it if I were a Gov or county manager: For each person arrested, the cost of their indictment, trial, defense(if req), court costs, and incarceration costs would be estimated. From that estimate, add 15% for misc charges and that would be the bailment due. Ex: Arrested for distribution of class A narcotics. Indictment, trial, court, and 5 years of detention = $277,624. Bail due: $319,267. Have a nice day.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 04:21
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Mea culpa...mea maxima culpa

Good morning. Well, once again I must admit when I am wrong. I was in stark contraposition to those who said that since Trump prevailed in 2016 that the polls would once again prove to be wildly errant. That because I am a foreigner that I should not voice an opinion because it is tainted by that amorphous, yet monolithic, ever controlling flunkly liberal press that every time it hoves into view is only to serve as an enemy of the people.

Look. You were right and I was wrong. The Democrats were revealed to be the most hapless harem of know nothings ever assembled and decidedly lost the House. My bad.

Excuse me for a moment will you. Yes mother? What is that you say? The Democrats won the House? Now that can't be correct. Have you looked outside to see if that monolithic flunky liberal Matrix has hoved into view? Yes mother. I know mother.

Sorry gentlemmen. That was mother. She was saying that the Dems did win the House but, as expected, lost the Senate. I better go see what is going on...as right here on this thread it was predicted, with great assurity, that the party opposite was not going to take either chamber. Such confusion!
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 05:18
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Oh waiter.

I’ll have what he’s drinking...
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 06:09
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The lateral evade ....

Trump did something interesting in the closing stages of this campaign, focusing on the Senate race and sort of writing off the possible loss of the House, saying that he'd figure that one out later. It will be interesting to see how he figures it out, since it seems to have happened.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 10:20
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I appreciate that american politics tend to be rather strange, but surely this is taking "better dead* than red" to silly extremes:

Nevada elects dead man to state assembly

PDR

* and yes, I do appreciate that the red candidate isn't necessarily a red, because the blue candidate is actually the leftie in the colonies just to add to the fun
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 12:09
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Would one of 'our cousins' be so kind to explain in simple terms what it means to the present US leader if he controls the Senate, but the opposition controls The House of Representatives ? If it were an arm-wrestle, who would be at an advantage ? Thanks!
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 12:46
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How's that red wave going? Some here assured us the Democrats had ensured it with their behaviour over the immigration authority.

It's almost like there are people here who are, ironically, completely out of touch with most of America. After all, a decent majority just voted for the democrats. As it did two years ago, actually, when did the republicans last get a majority in a presidential election, 2004? How could that happen if Americans ve turned against them so?

Then again a decent chunk of people here did immediately claim the mail bombs were false flag. I don't tend to take loony conspiracy theorists too seriously, whether its chemtrails or false flag attacks. That incident was kind of reassuring, as it really shone a light on how much on the fringes some folk here are, despite claiming to represent all Americans.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 13:20
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
Would one of 'our cousins' be so kind to explain in simple terms what it means to the present US leader if he controls the Senate, but the opposition controls The House of Representatives ? If it were an arm-wrestle, who would be at an advantage ? Thanks!
It means Trump can get another pick for Supreme Court through should he get the chance and it restricts the ability for him to be impeached.

Otherwise its gridlock baby..
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 13:26
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
Would one of 'our cousins' be so kind to explain in simple terms what it means to the present US leader if he controls the Senate, but the opposition controls The House of Representatives ? If it were an arm-wrestle, who would be at an advantage ? Thanks!
Making it all about Trump it goes like this

The House fingers him for all kinds of malfeasance but the Senate will refuse to convict him

much time will be wasted on personalities and nothing positive will be done for the people
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 14:07
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
Making it all about Trump it goes like this

The House fingers him for all kinds of malfeasance but the Senate will refuse to convict him

much time will be wasted on personalities and nothing positive will be done for the people
Unfortunately so.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 14:16
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo View Post
Making it all about Trump it goes like this

The House fingers him for all kinds of malfeasance but the Senate will refuse to convict him

much time will be wasted on personalities and nothing positive will be done for the people
Feels strangely like the mid to late 90s again.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 17:15
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Could someone explain to a simpleton like me how the electorate have managed to have elected both parties to positions of power? Are the Senators elected by a different ballot mechanism?
I am confused.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 17:19
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Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack View Post
Would one of 'our cousins' be so kind to explain in simple terms what it means to the present US leader if he controls the Senate, but the opposition controls The House of Representatives ? If it were an arm-wrestle, who would be at an advantage ? Thanks!
The short answer is that, since the House of Representatives controls the money, Trump will have to fight, bicker, and actually make deals to get any legislation through. He may also be moved to use his Veto Power since stuff may get generated in the House that he doesn't like.

Senate: If another Supreme Court Justice vacancy opens up, he'll have less trouble getting the seat filled.

@PDR: I love it. As I said, in a democracy the people get the government they deserve. In that district of Nevada, they deserve a dead guy.

@Trump: by choosing the politics if vitriol and personal destruction, Trump has alienated no small number of swing voters. The Democrats making these gains in the house is those swing voters sending Trump a message. I wonder if he'll listen. Betting the under.

Speaker of the House: there have been some noise made in the Democratic party that if they get the House back, they don't need Granny Pelosi to be speaker again. So, let me offer up a recommended better choice.
Hakeem Jeffries. For once, I agree with the editorials in the Economist.
His pragmatism is as striking as his moderation. He praises Jared Kushner as a “tremendous partner” in his support for a bipartisan criminal-justice bill that Mr Jeffries co-sponsored. It was derided from the left as too weak, including by two Democratic senators with presidential ambitions, Cory Booker and Kamala Harris. They probably also minded the fact that President Donald Trump praised the bill. Mr Jeffries gives them short shrift: Democrats should back useful legislation whoever is president, he says, and a stronger bill was impossible under Mr Trump. He also questions their political judgment. Allowing criminal justice to become a partisan issue has handed the Republicans an offensive weapon, he says. “If we can make this a non-partisan issue, that is to Democrats’ advantage.”
Taking a page from Bill Clinton's book on how to get something done. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

I have a personal bias here: I think Stenny Hoyer from Maryland would be a good Speaker (my Dad knows him a little bit) and he's seasoned enough to know the in and outs of the DC labyrinth. Not sure if he'll try again.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 17:31
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Those who live in a Parliamentary system have a hard time understanding that the "leader" (i.e. President) has a completely separate election process from the Legislative branches (House and Senate). As often as not there is a division of power here, and a single party does not control all three institutions. That is by design.

Many of us actually think a divided government is better -- less chance for any of them to screw over the People. The price paid, of course, is incessant squabbling and "investigating", and that is surely what we will see now.

As far as Congress, and why the powers divide: A senator is elected by the entire state. A Congessman ois elected only in his or her district. In my state of Washington there are 10 districts. The state as a whole has a very different political allegiance than my particular district. Look at electoral maps by state or county and you will understand the massive difference we have between urban and rural citizens.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 17:45
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However badly it has gone for Trump it is nothing compared with Obama in 2010 after his first two years as POTUS.

From Wiki.

Approximately 82.5 million people voted.[3] The Democratic Party suffered massive defeats in many national and state level elections, with many seats switching to Republican Party control. Although the President's party usually loses congressional, statewide and local seats in midterm elections, the 2010 midterm election season featured some of the biggest losses since the Great Depression.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 18:25
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
However badly it has gone for Trump it is nothing compared with Obama in 2010 after his first two years as POTUS.

From Wiki.
So many things come into play, the historic mid term changes, the Democrats focusing on health care, the Republicans seeming inability to get their message across while the Democrats do, 44 Incumbent Republicans retiring this year, the list goes on and on.

Again, judging by the amount of dollars spent, we got the best that money can buy.

Musical chairs, most within 10 percent, even with the larger than normal turn outs and the Hollywood/musician/Obama efforts.

Folks here in la la land voted to keep paying higher fuel and registration fees for vehicles, yet still pour more into the high speed train to nowhere.

Oh well, it will keep the news folks primed and busy for 2020.
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Old 7th Nov 2018, 18:34
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Obgraham. Thank you, that makes sense now. Perhaps our parliamentary system in UK could learn a thing or two.
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