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Old 29th Oct 2018, 20:32
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Originally Posted by obgraham View Post
I do find it interesting that this guy was correctly described as being an Indian (the Native American type, not the Indian Indians!) when the arrest was first announced.
That, however, has disappeared from all subsequent descriptions. Now, apparently, he's just another white guy.
In the same way that George Zimmerman's latino ancestry was white washed.
In less cynical terms, I am glad they found this asshat.
On further review, he does not appear to have anywhere near the intelligence of the Unabomber.
Let us suppose that he is a supporter of Donald Trump, which that hat would point towards being the case.
He has just gone out of his way to undermine the last six months efforts for his guy to keep his party and his platform on the rise.
Could not have done the party running against Trump a bigger favor, I don't think, in terms of damage to the narrative and the message.

Did he really think he'd successfully blow all of those people up? Really? IQ of a doorknob.
FFS: Biden and Obama still get Secret Service protection. Hillary Clinton accrues some of the same when / she hangs around with Bill (He gets SS protection as former President).
Stupid is too kind of a word. Cesar, doesn't need a trial, he needs a mercy killing (They Shoot Horses, Don't they?) but this circus act will be long an entertaining, I don't doubt.
Cesar Sayoc: roughly the exact opposite of a criminal mastermind.

Glad none of the bombs went off.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 02:49
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I'm not really a cowboy ...

I just found the hat.

How about understanding that although Sayoc claims to be a Seminole, the Seminoles say that he is not one of them? It takes more than a sticker or two on that van to make him a member of the Seminole Tribe.The news sources aren't hiding anything; they merely have dropped this inaccurate initial claim, one that Sayoc himself had made and that they picked up on, about his Seminole ancestry.

On the other hand, is Sayoc a genuine, 100% typical Trump supporter of a certain sort? He certainly does seem to be one, right down to the rest of the numerous stickers on his van. So now we get to see other Trump supporters variously claim that "they" must have put those stickers on that van; that Sayoc bought the van with the stickers already on it; that Sayoc is not a real Trump supporter but some sort of double agent; and so on.

I am sure that someone somewhere thinks that George Soros paid Sayoc to impersonate a typical Trump supporter, because it is all just too perfect. The stupidity, the disposition to violence, the blind enthusiasm or fanaticism ... the guy obviously is acting this out, simply imitating what we have seen and heard at hundreds of Trump rallies.

According to Trump himself those were not bombs but "Bombs." A real bomb explodes, while a "Bomb" does not? It would be interesting to know what makes the difference.

Google "Is George Zimmerman Latino?" to see whether this has been whitewashed or not. Actually, this matter did get coverage by the MSM. That a fellow from Texas who claimed never to have heard of the Posse Comitatus movement might have missed this does not necessarily show a whitewash but perhaps just a further failure to pay proper attention. Ever heard of the ADL (Anti-Defamation League), Lonewolf? They really are Jews (sorry about that), but anyway here's a link to what they have to tell us about Posse Comitatus: https://www.adl.org/resources/backgr...tizen-movement

In these dire times it might be good to widen our view of the political landscape. Trump depends on us using tunnel vision in order to sell us his bunkum.

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Old 30th Oct 2018, 04:39
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When did you come out so anti-native, Chuksosabe?

Apparently it is ok to self appoint yourself an Indian if you are a Democrat senator. Even after you try the DNA thng, only to find you have less native DNA than the average American. It’s ok to self declare as a black woman if you are a Democrat white woman in Spokane. Even if it requires extra spray-tan go accomplish it. And of course it is ok to appoint yourself victim of sexual abuse even though you have no evidence of such and every one of your corroborators denies it —as long as you fit the Democrat agenda and “must be believed”.

The guy says his father was a native. Evidently you think that is Trump’s fault too.

Imagination can be a good thing, I guess.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 08:54
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
I am sure that someone somewhere thinks that George Soros paid Sayoc to impersonate a typical Trump supporter, because it is all just too perfect.
Only about every Conservative talking head from Anne Coulter to Rush Limbaugh to Geraldo Rivera.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...laggers-didnt/

Conspiracy theorists used to be underground fringe nutjobs half a step away from the men in the white coats and commital to an institution. Now theyre mainstream Conservatives
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 11:44
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OB, when did you stop beating your wife?

About the same time I stopped respecting Elizabeth Warren, I guess, but you tell us!

Nice one, OB. Not original, but nice ....

I've always been down on Ms. Warren for using that faked membership in the Cherokees to get ahead. (Anyway, DNA has nothing to do with that, as I recently pointed out by using the case of a genuine, prominent Comanche who was biologically "white": Quanah Parker's mother, Cynthia Ann Parker.)

Now tell us, OB, which party sports a 'roid-ragin' bomb-sender who's also some sort of faker when it comes his ethnicity.

Rachel Dolezal/Nkechi Amare Diallo, and Shaun King ... just race-fakers, in my opinion. Are they noted for political engagement on the side of the Democratic Party? Well, it is a free country, and I think they might be, but so what? Led as it is by Donald John Trump, whom they chose as their leader, are you going to try telling us, OB, that the Republican Party is here to fight for Truth, Justice, and the American Way? As just another crowd of ratbag opportunist liars is how they come across by lining up behind Trump: their choice.

Seriously, OB, Elizabeth Warren (backed by no less than Harvard University) told one big lie, and you are down on her forever for that. Donald Trump by comparison is rattling along telling 9 lies per day on average. Some of his lies are real whoppers, some of them are merely big, and then there are a few little ones sprinkled on for garnish, yet you are completely okay with that, or so it would seem. On the whole I must be somewhat ahead of you when it comes to honoring the notion of at least trying to speak the truth.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 23:00
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Trump is planning on issuing an executive order that would revoke birthright citizenship {protected by the 14th Amendment of July 9th, 1868 which includes the Citizenship Clause, the Privileges or Immunities Clause, the Due Process Clause, and The Equal Protection Clause}

Hmmm. And then? Make it retroactive? And then? An Enabling Act obviously.
Gonna to need that 7:2 SCUS and I expect he'll get it eventually.
Bit of dj vu? Interesting times we're living through 'eh?

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Old 30th Oct 2018, 23:07
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I Have A Problem Supporting Trump As POTUS

Presidential Oath before taking office:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

US Constitution:
Amendment XIV

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

US Supreme Court ruling on the US Constitution on Presidential Executive Orders:

The US Supreme Court has held that all executive orders from the President of the United States must be supported by the Constitution, whether from a clause granting specific power, or by Congress delegating such to the executive branch. Specifically, such orders must be rooted in Article II of the US Constitution or enacted by the congress in statutes. Attempts to block such orders have been successful when such orders exceeded the authority of the president or could be better handled through legislation.

Trump still behaves like a 1970's NYC property developer dealing with the Mafia to get his most favorable personal deal rather than being 2016-2020 POTUS.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 23:38
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And it looks like Sully has opened up, pretty much begging voters to not vote Republican in next weeks mid terms:

For the first 85 percent of my adult life, I was a registered Republican. But I have always voted as an American. And this critical Election Day, I will do so by voting for leaders committed to rebuilding our common values and not pandering to our basest impulses.
We saved 155 lives on the Hudson. Now lets vote for leaders wholl protect us all.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 01:30
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Sully has always been a stand up guy. Im proud of him for taking a stand against Nazis.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 01:47
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I think, MAC, that a careful reading of the 14th Amendment in its entirety, and then a review of ALL of its history, including statements surrounding its passage, and in its first few years of existence, along with the history of citizenship regulations, might lead one to understand that the current practice is far from "settled law". There are significant questions about how prior USSC decisions on this were made.

Clearly, any Presidential Executive Order changing this will be followed by an injunction within minutes of his signing it. Trump understands this, and wants it to go to the USSC. There are a number of instances where a USSC decision has been reversed later: "Separate but Equal" pops immediately into mind.

And lest we forget, the makeup of the USSC has changed recently.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 06:09
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I was completely wrong on the false flag of the bomber. He is a complete whack job, but he is not a liberal kind of whack job it would seem.

Birthright citizenship. Revoking this is going to be a serious uphill battle. The clause in the amendment that is operable is the 'and' clause: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, Here we've had case law found in US v Ark back in the 1800s concerning a Chinese person born in the US to Chinese nationals living in the US. The court determined Ark was a US citizen, and that was about that. However - this is the clause which the SCOTUS may reverse the birthright citizenship should they choose to enforce the subject to the jurisdiction thereof clause. The amendment was intended to grant citizenship to all the slaves but the legislature couldn't just say that, they had to get creative with their wording. And later SCOTUS took the high road and determined that the birthright would be given, and ignored the 'and' clause where the parents were subject to the jurisdiction of another nation(China).

Will be interesting to see where it goes. Of course, some liberal fed judge will stay the order, and it will go to the SCOTUS again. Given the sentiment right now in the country, I think this might be another politically winning strategy, with thousands of invaders bearing down on our southern border just in front of an election. The libs may talk a good game about welcoming, and relief, but they can look at pictures of the invaders just like anyone and see it's a group of young male economic migrants with a few kids here and there. When they go to the election booth, they have a clear choice. Betting on Trump again to win the day both in the election booth, and in the court.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 07:18
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OBG, I have "..read carefully the 14th Amendment in its entirety, and reviewed its history, including statements surrounding its passage,
and in its first few years of existence, along with the history of citizenship regulations..
".

My conclusion is that it is entirely possible that Trump well may succeed in revoking Birthright Citizenship for the USA.
It would be a little more difficult to make it retroactive, but after a certain point anything is possible.
Whether those affected will be expelled from the US or merely disenfranchised we will have to wait and see.

The Constitution has been amended many times and it is possible for it to be amended
beyond recognition, such that the US becomes a CDINO (Constitutional Democracy In Name Only)
An Enabling Act ( la 1933) is not impossible, though this might lead to a de facto new civil war

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Old 31st Oct 2018, 08:21
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What a slippery slope this could be! Trump nullifies the 14th Amendment by use of an executive order, when that is accepted? Ah, so some future Democratic President might nullify the Second Amendment in the same way?

We could end up with each successive president pulling the Constitution completely out of shape to suit his four- or eight-year agenda if Trump is allowed to get away with this.

EC, have a look at what has happened in Germany with the recent arrival of far more than a few thousand refugees. (Population of Germany: 83 million. Population of USA: 326 million.) Go back to refinishing that basket made from an armadillo instead of digging a bunker, and calm down.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 15:54
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
What a slippery slope this could be! Trump nullifies the 14th Amendment by use of an executive order, when that is accepted? Ah, so some future Democratic President might nullify the Second Amendment in the same way?

We could end up with each successive president pulling the Constitution completely out of shape to suit his four- or eight-year agenda if Trump is allowed to get away with this.

EC, have a look at what has happened in Germany with the recent arrival of far more than a few thousand refugees. (Population of Germany: 83 million. Population of USA: 326 million.) Go back to refinishing that basket made from an armadillo instead of digging a bunker, and calm down.
Don't you worry your pretty little head, I'm plenty calm. Note in my prev there were no ALL CAPS screaming fits(SCOTUS - acronym), and no use of the exclamation; !!!!!!!!! or red or bold font except where used to identify specific parts of a quote. If Merkel wants to let in the dregs of the planet in to Germany, and the people are ok with that - none of my business. For the US, it is my business. We have a sufficient number, type, gender, faith, color, creed, and national origin to make a go if it.

I agree with your sentiment on any exec order which seeks to limit or eliminate the amendments. However, the amendment in question has a compound clause, and even in the most exacting interpretation that clause is there for a reason. All amendments are not without limits. the proverbial 'fire in a crowded theater' comes to mind, and citizens have no need for thermonuclear devices under the terms of the 2nd A(no matter that I want one anyway). The 14th is no different in that it can and may be interpreted literally to exclude birthright to those children born to foreigners who are subject to another nation jurisdiction. I think it is a slippery slope that all future presidents may order things in violation of our liberties and amendments. Why, we don't have to go very far in the past to see it put to good use; US v Korematsu is a landmark case that used some tortured logic and pretzel wording to uphold in the face of very clear case law and legislation. The president along with the court took great pains to twist the internment of the Japanese under an order which put actual US citizens behind bars(and fences, and guard towers, and machine guns, and trenches) simply for being born outside the US, but naturalized. We seem to have survived the mistake of Korematsu, and we will survive if birthright citizenship is restricted, no matter the howling from CNN and MSNBC.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 16:31
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Seriously, OB, Elizabeth Warren (backed by no less than Harvard University) told one big lie,
She didn't just tell a lie, she perpetuated it for years for political gain.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 16:46
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It seems the Democrats are now suddenly in love with their version of Literal Constitutionality.

At least when it comes to Amendment 14, but not Amendment 2. (Or 1, for that matter.)
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 17:34
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On birthright: If this will ever get through (highly unlikely) it will never be made retroactive. Otherwise his three eldest kids would have to be included.

Do the trumpsters realize for how stupid their Dear Leader thinks they are:
"We will pass a tax cut for the middle class next week." At the time of the tweet Congress was not in session and would not be for another two weeks.
" Republicans will protect people with pre-existing conditions far better than the Dems! " The GOP has voted against this at least 50 times.
He sends 5000+ troops to the border against a 'caravan' which is about a 1000 miles away from it and will not get there for some time come. The Army is by law not allowed to make arrests. What will they do? Build a human wall (and Mexico will pay for it?)? And who pays for the troop deployment? You, the tax payer.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 17:55
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Yes, WC, but ... one (1) lie. Yer man passed four thousand (4,000) lies in August, with his rate increasing and the plausibility of his lies decreasing. He's getting close to escape velocity, I think, when he's going to punch right through the Bozone Layer and keep going right out of sight. "Up in the sky, look: It's a bird. It's a plane. Nah, that's just Donald Trump on another flight of fancy."

That Trump seems to believe his own lies ... does that make them not-lies? The man is living in a fantasy world so that it's going to be damned interesting if and when he loses his audience.

We recently were on a short visit to the States when we spent a few nights in an AirBnB in Jersey City, New Jersey. That's the town where Trump claimed first to have seen a thousand people celebrating 9/11 as it happened, and then "thousands" of "Arabs," Muslims presumably, doing that up on the rooftops.

Why Jersey City? Probably because it's right across the Hudson from the WTC. On the other hand, this event Trump claimed to have seen on television was never broadcast on television, quite aside from the fact that it only occurred in the imagination of Trump anyway. Well, Trump and Alex Jones too; he also claimed to have seen it. So, who are you going to believe, Donald Trump and Alex Jones, or the Mayor and the Chief of Police of Jersey City?
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 18:57
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On birthright: If this will ever get through (highly unlikely) it will never be made retroactive.
Where did anyone suggest making it retroactive? That would be unconstitutional.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 19:46
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Where did anyone suggest making it retroactive? That would be unconstitutional.
It's has been discussed. Anyway, changing the constitution through an EO is constitutional? If that would be possible, what else would Trump, who has sworn to 'uphold the Constitution ...' come up with next? He is already infringing on the first amendment with his constant hate utterings about the media.

It's obvious, he is getting desperate. His lies get more blatant, he is increasing his rhetoric on all subjects he thinks will influence the trumpsters. I wonder when they will finally see the light. Some may already be suffering from his tarrifs, the reduced healthcare etc.
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