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Old 1st Oct 2018, 03:26
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[QUOTE=chuks;10262061]WC, it's not just Dr. Ford's account, which is somewhat fuzzy on time and place. There is also Ms. Ramirez' account of that incident at Yale, which is of a different sort.

This last-minute agreement to what really should have been done first, an FBI investigation, came as a surprise to everyone, Personally, I assume that it should turn up evidence supporting the claims made by both Ford and Ramirez (only Ford was heard by those senators) about how Kavanaugh behaved during his time at Georgetown Prep and at Yale.

In fact, the second incident might be more damaging to Kavanaugh for several reasons:

1. He was an adult during his time at Yale, over 18 years of age.

2. The time and place is more precise.

3- There were supposedly first- and secondhand witnesses to the incident when it occurred and right afterwards, plus it fits well with some of what we have been told, including by Kavanaugh himself, about his time at Yale.

All in all, even if he skates on both accusations (both are probably past the statute of limitations so that there should be no risk of a prosecution), I think there might be such an accumulation of sordid detail that this guy won't even be acceptable to Republicans who manage to stomach Trump. Senator Flake already had one "Come to Jesus!" moment over this, when all it will take is two Republicans voting against Kavanaugh to sink his chances, assuming he gets no Democratic votes.

On the other hand, Republicans have been surprisingly willing to go along with whatever disgusting stuff Trump asks them to, so that we might end up with this clearly defective man on the Supreme Court. He was set for being rammed through committee until late in the process, when a 51-49 vote for his confirmation was then very, very likely despite other, numerous reasons for his being unsuitable that were already common knowledge.

It will be surprising if Kavanaugh makes it onto the Supreme Court, but if he does then that will pretty much be that: another defeat for democracy. (Clarence Thomas got away clean despite allegations of sex abuse, and he sits on the Court until this day.)

i watched these hearings and testimony.
He was 17 and she was 15.
Where were her parents allowing her to go to parties like this or did she lie to them also?
Then she cannot even remember how she got to this party or traveled back home.
Sounds like she may have been drinking also.
Sorry this woman is lying.
Look at her pic even a drunk teenager would not ride this dog face ugly hog!
Maybe that's the whole issue he rejected her and she never forgot.
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 03:52
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Jesus H.C. The Democrats were reduced to dragging out fart jokes to impugn the character of this man.

They truly are a sick bunch of racist agenda driven scum. Though it will not represent a great deal of change I have resolved hereafter to NEVER ever vote for a Democrat again. From dog-catcher and county tax collector up through President. Even if they run the second coming of Jesus, if it shows the word Democrat on the ballot, it goes in the trash. (We vote by mail here!)

The Democrats have been lynching people and encouraging mob rule for 150 years, so they are experienced at it. Still going on today.
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 07:50
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I win! I win!

There was one space left on my BS Bingo card, and 2Pac just let me fill it in: "Look at her pic even a drunk teenager would not ride this dog face ugly hog!" (sic)

Thanks, 2Pac. I had been waiting for that: the classical Donald Trump defense of "Who would believe me perpetrating a sex attack on someone as ugly as that?"

I take it, 2Pac, that you are somewhat unfamiliar with the difference between normal sexual attraction on the part of a male to a female, and the wish on the part of a male to dominate a female, even by the infliction of humiliation and pain, by using some level of aggression, even by using some level of violence. Maybe you want to read up on that sort of thing before sharing such stupid thoughts as the one I quoted, above, with our world-wide audience.

Just between us, 2Pac, I bet you understand very well the way that some cute little heifer or filly, even, can spark attraction on the part of some rootin' tootin' buckaroo. Given that accepted fact of life in the rural parts of our great country, why should it be unimaginable that, given sufficient beer, two 17 year-old city boys could not go after a 15 year-old schoolgirl, even an ugly one? Have you never heard of "beer goggles"?

OB, written like a man of learning! I see that we are both admirers of the great Mark Twain, from whose magnum opus The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn all American literature comes, at least according to Ernest Hemingway. Yes, you obviously are pulling up this passage, spoken by Pappy Finn, from deep within your memory:

They said he was a p'fessor in a college, and could talk all kinds of languages, and knowed everything. And that ain't the wust. They said he could VOTE when he was at home. Well, that let me out. Thinks I, what is the country a-coming to? It was 'lection day, and I was just about to go and vote myself if I warn't too drunk to get there; but when they told me there was a State in this country where they'd let that [bad word beginning with "n"] vote, I drawed out. I says I'll never vote agin.

If we see Tom Perez wearing a black armband we will know it's because he has lost one of our foremost citizens forever: OBGraham. Not that OB had any real plans to vote Democratic in the past, just that he's never, ever going to even think about doing that in the future.

Jeez! OB, good thing you don't live in Alabama or else you would have found yourself voting for a child molester, Roy Moore, instead of his Democratic opponent, Doug Jones. Well, I guess we can just call that the price of having fixed principles, being forced to vote for a child molester, and leave it at that.

Good on you, OB; people like me, we just change our minds all the time, depending on what we are confronted by. Sometimes we are disgusted by Bill Clinton, sometimes by Donald Trump, sometimes by Brett Kavanaugh ... you just never know which side of that great, national Party divide we are going to come down on. It's almost as though we have other things we hold to be much more important than Party affiliation.

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Old 1st Oct 2018, 09:13
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 13:41
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Though it will not represent a great deal of change I have resolved hereafter to NEVER ever vote for a Democrat again. From dog-catcher and county tax collector up through President. Even if they run the second coming of Jesus, if it shows the word Democrat on the ballot, it goes in the trash.
You won't be missed...
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 16:41
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One disgruntled Dem voter is no problem. Until it becomes a flood.

https://www.walkawaycampaign.com/

#Walkaway.
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 16:52
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 17:40
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Go read them. Make up your own mind. Or - believe CNN. Everyone else does, why be different?

For those of the FB persuasion(I am not), one can go here; https://m.facebook.com/groups/194535...group&refid=18 and look at one or more of the 168,000+ members and actually converse with them, and see how many are bots. I'm really interested if anyone on FB would take a few testimonies that seem bot-like and put them to the test. Reach out, and just ask 'are you a Russian bot'? I double dog dare ya.

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Old 1st Oct 2018, 18:38
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"Asked later in the “60 Minutes” interview whether the nomination would end if the probe shows that Kavanaugh had not been truthful in his testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee, Flake, joined by his colleague, Sen. Christopher A. Coons (D-Del.), said: “Oh, yes. I would think so.”

In his “60 Minutes” interview, which aired two days later, Flake admitted that he would not have done what he did had he been up for reelection. “No, not a chance,” Flake said.
“There’s no value to reaching across the aisle. There’s no currency for that anymore. There’s no incentive,” he added.

Well, all I can say is that this is thoroughly nauseating. I'd kind of liked Flake and had a vague hope that things would sort themselves out. Well, piss on Flake and piss on American politics too.

"No value to reaching across the aisle. No currency for honesty and no incentive for it either" - ye Gods, what a swamp, sounds like them shithole countries that DJT so despises.

"The country to lead the world..."

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Old 1st Oct 2018, 19:41
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Mac, now you're coming to my way of thinking. The entrenched politicians on both sides are interested only in political power and keeping themselves going. Flake decided to leave, but wanted to kick the table over on his way out the door. A disgusting excuse for a politician.
Both parties need a swift kick in the a$$, and this is what Trump, in his inelegant way, has been trying to say for 3 years now.

He does appear to be developing a sense of humor at last, though. Today he said he was surprised that Cavanaugh liked beer a lot. "I've never had one", said Trump, "...one of my only good traits".
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 20:24
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Mac, now you're coming to my way of thinking. The entrenched politicians on both sides are interested only in political power and keeping themselves going. Flake decided to leave, but wanted to kick the table over on his way out the door. A disgusting excuse for a politician.
Both parties need a swift kick in the a$$, and this is what Trump, in his inelegant way, has been trying to say for 3 years now.

He does appear to be developing a sense of humor at last, though. Today he said he was surprised that Cavanaugh liked beer a lot. "I've never had one", said Trump, "...one of my only good traits".
Nice to see him take control of the press conference yet still answer all their questions, 78 minutes, can’t say he doesn’t allow the press access.
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 10:33
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Originally Posted by 2Bad2Sad View Post
He was 17 and she was 15.
Where were her parents allowing her to go to parties like this or did she lie to them also?
Then she cannot even remember how she got to this party or traveled back home.
Sounds like she may have been drinking also.
Sorry this woman is lying.
Look at her pic even a drunk teenager would not ride this dog face ugly hog!
Maybe that's the whole issue he rejected her and she never forgot.
Niiiiiiiice......
Do you seriously believe what you wrote!?
This kind of bullying crap is exactly why women tend to refrain from speaking out being molested, raped, etc...


So you know

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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 18:20
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Originally Posted by 2Bad2Sad:
Maybe that's the whole issue he rejected her and she never forgot.
Nah, maybe the whole issue was that he was too drunk to even remember her.
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 18:38
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Nah, maybe the whole issue was that he was too drunk to even remember her.
Perhaps he went to sleep while she was trying? Perhaps it never happened, nobody knows.

FBI investigation as requested, wait and see.
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 02:10
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Originally Posted by fltlt View Post
Perhaps he went to sleep while she was trying? Perhaps it never happened, nobody knows.

FBI investigation as requested, wait and see.


Good gravy, man! Have a look at the calendar! These are ostensibly educated and informed fully-grown humans in October, 2018! They have kitchens with all the modern conveniences, indoor plumbing and WiFi in the thunder closet. These people are informed! These people know!

It's clear that:

__________ attended a venerable, private, expensive, elite all-_____'s college preparatory school in Bethesda, MD. Said institution was known for its privileged students and liberal partying culture which including drinking, sexual promiscuity, and party exchanges with similar institutions in the area. This institution's yearbooks of the period document the ingrained and condoned culture of alcohol, drug abuse, hazing, institutionalized racism and casual sex, not to mention things like athletics and Glee Club.

So, Your Honor, it should be intuitively obvious (based upon one's personal political proclivities evidently) that ___________ did indeed engage in behavior which reflects poorly upon ___ judgement, character, and veracity in testimony.


As for me, yr hbl obdt, I attended a mid-tier public high school down the road in the same county, graduating in the same year as Julie Swetnick. My school would not have allowed me social entrée into a private prep school party in the DC area (even had I personally been more socially distinguished and had I owned a navy blazer, which I didn't, as it happens). Gaithersburg High (locally known as G-burg) was a couple rungs below my school, but then, in 1983, I was in my third year of college, and I wasn't a young woman. Still ain't.
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 04:14
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So Ms. Swetnick has now gone from Kavanaugh organized and participated in multiple gang rape parties to, well he might have been there, standing close to the doctored punch containers, although she can’t say if he doctored it, handing out red plastic cups filled with it.

And Feinstein had the original gang rape story entered into the Senate record before any investigation of that serious allegation?

Come on folks, even if you hate Trump, detest Kavanaugh, you support this kindergarten behavior? I think you had better look at your motives for ruining peoples lives on false accusations.

Personally, I think folks will again be surprised at the Republican turn out come November, there are a lot of women that are, to put it mildly, pissed at the treatment of Kavanaugh and his family, especially dragging his wife and children into it.

Its time to seriously consider term limits folks, all these elected officials are off the rails.
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 06:51
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The problem, of course is that everyone is in favor of term limits, except for their own politicians. After all, longevity gets you power and influence. We wouldn't want the legislative branch run by newcomers.

Actually, yes, we would. Preferably chosen at random from the phone book, or whatever passes for such these days.
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 07:32
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I see that Mr. Trump is having a spotlight shone on his inheritance. Seems that his father fattened young Donald's wallet a bit more than Donald will admit. Plus there might have been some tax irregularities involved.

All too late to be prosecutable and tax avoidance by the rich is a fine art anyway so it all seems to be an FYI exercise.

Either way I cannot imagine he will even try to rebut the accusations as he is too busy mocking Dr. Ford. This will of course win him even deeper support among the distaff side of his base as the women therein very much seem to enjoy sniffing the glove.
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 09:52
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Ford's case seems to be falling apart more and more. No corroboration. Evidence that she faked the polygraph. Lied about her 2 front doors. Lied about her fear of flying. On and on.

Contrary to Fred's view above, the mothers of this country, realizing that just about half of their children are boys, are realizing what the Democrats offer to their family structure. They also recognize phonies when they see them. Bye-Bye to that Blue Wave.

Same with Fred's assertion that Trump was a tax cheat. Seemed to have passed all the necessary IRS audits along the way. NY Times writing a nothingburger based on documents that it is illegal for them to possess (Not my opinion, just US Code 26-3103. Gotta hate it when reality gets in the way of an agenda!) .
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 13:30
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I see that Mr. Trump is having a spotlight shone on his inheritance. Seems that his father fattened young Donald's wallet a bit more than Donald will admit. Plus there might have been some tax irregularities involved.

All too late to be prosecutable and tax avoidance by the rich is a fine art anyway so it all seems to be an FYI exercise.

Either way I cannot imagine he will even try to rebut the accusations as he is too busy mocking Dr. Ford. This will of course win him even deeper support among the distaff side of his base as the women therein very much seem to enjoy sniffing the glove.
Who cares, seriously who cares. Who writes the tax laws, folks with money, who can change the tax laws, folks with money. Why don’t they change the tax laws, they have money and want to keep it.
Why at these levels are the tax laws vague around the edges, because they are written for folks that have money.

Take a look at the tax laws, if you don’t like the Govt’s interpretation of the tax in your case, you can shop around for a tax lawyer that will plead your case in tax court, you may or may not prevail, at those nose bleed money levels it’s worth it.

Friend of mine, years ago in the UK was advised by his tax accountant to purchase a Rolls Royce, 99% of us will never, ever hear those words.

Dont like it, go out and make millions of dollars, then you will.

One law for them, one for the rest of us.

Newspapers that were once bastions of the free press now reduced to tabloid journalism, next thing will be a picture of Trump meeting with Martians to fix the 2020 election.

And if you believe in the tooth fairy, yesterday McConnel went on the Senate floor and delivered a speech, part of which involved Kavanaugh, up popped Schumer right after him with a prepared speech refuting same.
Coordination between staffs, inquiring minds want to know.

We all are being played, wound up for the mid terms, Kavanaugh is purely collateral damage.
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