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Old 13th Sep 2018, 16:28
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
Ethical,

Actually the party of the right are adding new members ever since the successful Unite The Right rally in Charlottesville, VA. New member additions include, alt-right, neo-Confederates, white nationalist, Klansmen, neo-Nazis and various militias. Must be the good folks the Trumpster was referring to in his initial remarks about Charlottesville... David Duke is pleased.
What would you have the Republican party do? They've already denounced the klan, and the Nazi movement. The RNC/GOP takes nothing from them, and has no affiliation with them. As for being a white nationalist - can you tell me what's wrong with being white, and supporting the United States as a nation? Cuz, I'm white, and I support this Nation. Is that a problem? You group white nationalists with some hate groups like they are all the same. I guess anyone not in your echo chamber is the enemy. Too bad.

Oh, and back to my questions. Rather than bashing the party which is so busy winning, any takers on the new socialists coming up to carry the Dem banner? Maybe that hispanic three name girl in NY is the answer. Nationalize everything except booze and cigs. I guess being a brown nationalist is the accepted mode today. Oh wait - I'm the bad guy, cuz I'm the WRONG SKIN COLOR. Who's the racist here?

Hey, did you read any of the #walkaway stories? Are those people the wrong kind of people we're adding? I didn't look close, but don't see any skinheads, Confederates, Nazis in there. Maybe you should go through all 163 THOUSAND stories and find some of them for me? lolz......
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 16:34
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
fitlt & ethical,

Happy Days Are Here Again With Trump's Good New



Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Speaker Paul Ryan listen as President Trump speaks during a meeting with Republican lawmakers at the White House. (Evan Vucci/AP)
And your point? Would you prefer one wearing black face, one wearing gravy and one white.

Sad.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 17:04
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https://m.facebook.com/groups/1945356878817544?view=permalink&id=2120475414639022&refid=18 &_ft_=qid.6600755780934441925%3Amf_story_key.212047541463902 2%3Atop_level_post_id.2120475414639022%3Atl_objid.2120475414 639022%3Acontent_owner_id_new.100001956270206%3Asrc.22%3Apho to_id.2126219770786545&__tn__=%2As-R

Inspiring. The left tries to marginalize the effort by reporting that all the stories are from Russian bots. What are they so afraid of?

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Old 13th Sep 2018, 17:34
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Originally Posted by ethicalconundrum View Post
https://m.facebook.com/groups/194535...&__tn__=%2As-R

Inspiring. The left tries to marginalize the effort by reporting that all the stories are from Russian bots. What are they so afraid of?

That they might be found out?
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 01:39
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Another proud day for Americans everywhere today. I give you the president of the United States:

realDonaldTrump: .....This was done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico. If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list. Bad politics. I love Puerto Rico!
If you can't trample on the corpses of 3,000 US citizens who died largely through neglect, incompetence and malfeasance to score political points, just whose corpses can you trample on?

P.S. presidents don't "raise billions of dollars", they impose taxes.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 02:32
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Originally Posted by ethicalconundrum View Post
What would you have the Republican party do? They've already denounced the klan, and the Nazi movement. The RNC/GOP takes nothing from them, and has no affiliation with them. As for being a white nationalist - can you tell me what's wrong with being white, and supporting the United States as a nation? Cuz, I'm white, and I support this Nation. Is that a problem? You group white nationalists with some hate groups like they are all the same. I guess anyone not in your echo chamber is the enemy. Too bad.

Oh, and back to my questions. Rather than bashing the party which is so busy winning, any takers on the new socialists coming up to carry the Dem banner? Maybe that hispanic three name girl in NY is the answer. Nationalize everything except booze and cigs. I guess being a brown nationalist is the accepted mode today. Oh wait - I'm the bad guy, cuz I'm the WRONG SKIN COLOR. Who's the racist here?

Hey, did you read any of the #walkaway stories? Are those people the wrong kind of people we're adding? I didn't look close, but don't see any skinheads, Confederates, Nazis in there. Maybe you should go through all 163 THOUSAND stories and find some of them for me? lolz......
Vert well stated.aulifeied to lead this nation.
Seems some here want a bad economy.
Trump has done well let him do more.unless you are are really a racist.
No one can ever say he has done a bad job as President.
8 years of the Obama failure that was elected because the color of his skin not his ability to lead.
Obama will probably hurt any future black ones to be elected in the future and there were many blacks better qualified to do a good job and lead the usa.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 04:55
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Originally Posted by ethicalconundrum View Post
What would you have the Republican party do? They've already denounced the klan, and the Nazi movement. The RNC/GOP takes nothing from them, and has no affiliation with them. As for being a white nationalist - can you tell me what's wrong with being white, and supporting the United States as a nation? Cuz, I'm white, and I support this Nation. Is that a problem?
If you want to self-identify as a White Nationalist, that's up to you. Just be aware that in modern English, "white nationalist" is not the same as just a white guy who supports the nation. It means someone who supports an all-white nation, to the exclusion or marginalization of non-white people.

As to what the Republican Party can do to dissociate themselves from the Klan, neo-nazis and white nationalists - how about pursuing policies that are distasteful to them, and abandoning policies they find attractive? Quit locking brown children up in cages. Quit sucking up to the "Confederate Heritage." Study up on what the alt-right supports most avidly, and oppose all of it. Piss 'em off. When David Duke vows "I will never, ever again support any Republican for office," you'll know you've succeeded.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 12:31
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realDonaldTrump: .....This was done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico. If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list. Bad politics. I love Puerto Rico!
Just to be clear, Democrats aren't making Trump look bad, Trump is doing an outstanding job of that on his own, one of his better self accomplishments.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 13:01
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Original Quote by ethicalconundrum
What would you have the Republican party do? They've already denounced the klan, and the Nazi movement. The RNC/GOP takes nothing from them, and has no affiliation with them. As for being a white nationalist - can you tell me what's wrong with being white, and supporting the United States as a nation? Cuz, I'm white, and I support this Nation. Is that a problem? You group white nationalists with some hate groups like they are all the same. I guess anyone not in your echo chamber is the enemy. Too bad.
White nationalists advocate for policies to reverse changing demographics and the loss of an absolute, white majority. Ending non-white immigration, both legal and illegal, is an urgent priority. White nationalists seek to return to an America that predates the implementation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. Both landmark pieces of legislation are cited as the harbingers of so-called “white genocide” — the idea that whites in the United States are being systematically replaced and destroyed. White nationalists frequently cite Pat Buchanan's 2001 book, The Death of the West, which argues that these declining white birth rates and an “immigrant invasion” will transform the United States into a third world nation by 2050.


Richard Spencer is one of White Nationalism's prominent voices.

I am white and I support this nation we live in, but I am not a white nationalist like you claim to be. I am an American, a person of color as all Americans are (white is a color as is brown, black, etc.). So ethical, are you really a white nationalist or an American, a person of color?
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 13:36
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
Just to be clear, Democrats aren't making Trump look bad, Trump is doing an outstanding job of that on his own, one of his better self accomplishments.
So, not defending Trump, however if one takes the deaths over a 6 month period after a major storm passes through an area, can that number be directly attributed to that particular event while in motion?

If so, then that should be the standard going forward. Be prepared for some large numbers from Florence in that case.

Goal posts, movement.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 14:14
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Originally Posted by fltlt View Post


Goal posts, movement.
I suggest you take a look at how those figures were arrived at. You may not agree with the conclusions, but the methodology is very clear. There is no question that thousands died as a consequence of the hurricane, if not directly as a result of injuries sustained during the hurricane.

"On average, households went 84 days without electricity, 68 days without water, and 41 days without cellphone coverage after the... storm hit." Does that seem like a great response ?

These analyses were being released nearly 1 year ago - so no goal posts were moved, there can have been no democrat plot to re-invent the death toll after Trump's remarks. His comments were, at best, ill judged.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 14:46
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[QUOTE=double_barrel;10249157]I suggest you take a look at how those figures were arrived at. You may not agree with the conclusions, but the methodology is very clear. There is no question that thousands died as a consequence of the hurricane, if not directly as a result of injuries sustained during the hurricane.

"On average, households went 84 days without electricity, 68 days without water, and 41 days without cellphone coverage after the... storm hit." Does that seem like a great response ?

These analyses were being released nearly 1 year ago - so no goal posts were moved, there can have been no democrat plot to re-invent the death toll after Trump's remarks. His comments were, at best, ill judged.[/QUOTE

Ok, then let’s go back to a major storm event, say Andrew, and do exactly the same analysis and see how it compares.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 14:56
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Original Post by fitlt
So, not defending Trump, however if one takes the deaths over a 6 month period after a major storm passes through an area, can that number be directly attributed to that particular event while in motion?

If so, then that should be the standard going forward. Be prepared for some large numbers from Florence in that case.

Goal posts, movement.
I don't think so. The original claim was there were only 60 or so deaths resulting from hurricane Maria. The George Washington University study examined past mortality patterns for 7 years prior to the hurricane year to predict expected mortalities had hurricane Maria not occurred and then compared that to actual deaths that occurred between September 2017 and February 2018. The difference between those numbers is the estimate of excess mortalities due to the hurricane. There is a lot more detail beyond what's presented above in the study as to what was done to assure as much accuracy as possible. It is no different than studies ongoing to determine mortalities attributed to the 9/11 collapse of the trade center towers 17 years ago for the surviving first responders and subsequent recovery people who poured through the ruins... It is not moving the goal posts, it is obtaining a more complete picture of the event and its aftermath...
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 15:23
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Originally Posted by Turbine D View Post
White nationalists advocate for policies to reverse changing demographics and the loss of an absolute, white majority.

I am white and I support this nation we live in, but I am not a white nationalist like you claim to be. I am an American, a person of color as all Americans are (white is a color as is brown, black, etc.). So ethical, are you really a white nationalist or an American, a person of color?
Well, that is interesting. It shows how out of touch I am with the current slang, and notation of the media when reporting on demographic groups. For the record, as I said, I'm a white person. I'm also one who is proud of, and supports our nation. However, in the vernacular of what's been offered here, then no - I have no interest in reversing the demographics of color, or any kind of white exclusions. If you saw my family(none of you ever will), this would be pretty obvious, and maybe a bit comical! I have no problem with, and also support a mutli-racial nation, with no exceptions for anyone, and specifically white folk. I hope that clears this up, and I won't use 'white nationalist' in the future, as it's been corrupted by some who would change our demographics for the worse.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 15:34
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full View Post
If you want to self-identify as a White Nationalist, that's up to you. Just be aware that in modern English, "white nationalist" is not the same as just a white guy who supports the nation. It means someone who supports an all-white nation, to the exclusion or marginalization of non-white people.

As to what the Republican Party can do to dissociate themselves from the Klan, neo-nazis and white nationalists - how about pursuing policies that are distasteful to them, and abandoning policies they find attractive? Quit locking brown children up in cages. Quit sucking up to the "Confederate Heritage." Study up on what the alt-right supports most avidly, and oppose all of it. Piss 'em off. When David Duke vows "I will never, ever again support any Republican for office," you'll know you've succeeded.
See above, disclaim any association with the group wanting or moving to an 'all white nation', et-al. Not interested, and do not support that.

I don't see a federal govt pursuing policy based on what any fringe group wants or aligns with. This would include the neo-Nazis, Black Lives Matter, Confederate Heritage, Black Panthers, ad-infinitum. We are not identity politicians on the right, we pursue goals and policy that is best for ALL US citizens. Sometimes that will partially align with one or more of the fringe groups mentioned above. Identity politics, and victim-reward are disliked in most conservative policy, although lately, it seems that plenty of the non-Trump GOPers have gotten into the mold of the left. I have no interest in what the alt-right or alt-left radicals want, or seek in their govt. They can march down Flatbush Ave, build forts in the woods and wear camo, overturn cop cars, defecate in the streets, and notwithstanding their media presence, any and all of that makes for poor governance models.

If you would have Trump change his policy goals to disaffect the alt-right the only ones then who would gain would be the alt-left. While I'm sure that kind of swing in policy would not appease the progressives, they might see a gain in some areas of govt attitude, but nothing short of complete totalitarian control will make them happy. So - again, why bother to cater to either of the idiot fringe?
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 17:04
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[QUOTE=fltlt;10249189]
Originally Posted by double_barrel View Post
I suggest you take a look at how those figures were arrived at. You may not agree with the conclusions, but the methodology is very clear. There is no question that thousands died as a consequence of the hurricane, if not directly as a result of injuries sustained during the hurricane.

"On average, households went 84 days without electricity, 68 days without water, and 41 days without cellphone coverage after the... storm hit." Does that seem like a great response ?

These analyses were being released nearly 1 year ago - so no goal posts were moved, there can have been no democrat plot to re-invent the death toll after Trump's remarks. His comments were, at best, ill judged.[/QUOTE

Ok, then let’s go back to a major storm event, say Andrew, and do exactly the same analysis and see how it compares.

sure. Every time someone claims that they did a great job and raised millions to support the response, we are entitled to examine the veracity of the claim.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 17:11
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Originally Posted by fltlt View Post



sure. Every time someone claims that they did a great job and raised millions to support the response, we are entitled to examine the veracity of the claim.

Fair enough, on the terms of the person making the claim.

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Old 14th Sep 2018, 18:05
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WRT Hurricane Maria: It didn't matter what, or how much, or when, or where the US gave/raised/provided/delivered aid. It would never have been sufficient.

Trump was wrong to claim a political bias from the reporting of the death toll. Even if political bias was absolutely accurate, he was wrong to point it out. but - such is the nature of his personality.

Aid: The US is giving a total of direct financial aid to PR of > $16 billion. The population of PR is about 3.6 million. Each man, woman, and child in the nation will get the equivalent of $4,380 in aid from this taxpayers in this nation. For a family of 4.3 people, that is ~$18,834 per household. Strangely enough, based on a review of various sources, the median household income is also hovering right about the same figure - $18-19,000.

Imagine every household in Texas coast from Rockport to Galveston got the equivalent of a year income after the storm. Household income from that area averages ~$72,000.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 21:54
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US Aid To Puerto Rico

Ethical,
Aid: The US is giving a total of direct financial aid to PR of > $16 billion. The population of PR is about 3.6 million. Each man, woman, and child in the nation will get the equivalent of $4,380 in aid from this taxpayers in this nation. For a family of 4.3 people, that is ~$18,834 per household. Strangely enough, based on a review of various sources, the median household income is also hovering right about the same figure - $18-19,000.
Imagine every household in Texas coast from Rockport to Galveston got the equivalent of a year income after the storm. Household income from that area averages ~$72,000.
What is the source of your information? Keep in mind not everyone of a total population is entitled to relief funds.
Here are two sources of information that differers somewhat from yours, but are in agreement except for a difference in the data reporting time span of March to September 2018:

The english version of endi (ELNUEVODIE.COM) story.
According to FEMA data analyzed by El Nuevo Día, those affected by Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico have received, on average, less economic assistance -in some cases, up to three times less- than the assistance granted by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to those affected by eight of the eleven major and small hurricanes in other United States jurisdictions since 2005. As of Friday March 23,2018, FEMA had granted $ 1,328 billion to 443,753 affected by María in Puerto Rico, which is an average of $ 2,992.63 per person or family. This amount is lower than that received by those affected by hurricanes Katrina in Louisiana; Harvey, Ike, Alex and Rita in Texas; Sandy, which affected New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Maryland; Irene in North Carolina; and Matthew in Florida. The only victims affected by hurricanes that received less help than Puerto Rico during the period reviewed were the victims of Hurricanes Wilma and Irma in Florida.

El Nuevo Día concentrated its analysis on the most damaging hurricanes since Katrina, in 2005. With an estimated loss of $ 95 billion, Maria – with winds up to 155 miles, that affected the entire island, left Puerto Rico completely in the dark and totally or partially damaged nearly 250,000 residences - is the third most expensive hurricane among the eleven analyzed for this report. The $ 1,328 billion granted until Friday represent the third highest amount granted by FEMA, after Katrina, when aid to individuals and families totalled $ 5,252 billion, and $ 1,582 billion for those by Harvey.But, when analyzing the average that each affected person or family received, Puerto Rico is in the ninth position with $ 2,992.63. For purposes of this article, we analyze the assistance received by individuals and families to repair their homes or compensate for what they have lost. Other aid granted by FEMA, such as rent assistance, accommodation in hotels or money for medical equipment, are not included in this analysis.
FEMA assistance to state and municipal governments is also excluded. Alejandro de la Campa, FEMA´s director in Puerto Rico and the Caribbean, said last week that FEMA will invest about $ 30 billion in Puerto Rico, in the next few years.
Those affected by Hurricane Sandy, which affected the northeast coast areas of the United States in October 2012, received on average $ 8,608.20, which, adjusted for inflation to February 2018, equals $ 9,265.92, more than triple of what Puerto Rico received.
On the other hand, the 738,318 Katrina victims received on average $ 7,113.93 per family or individual. Adjusted for inflation, that amount would be $ 9,018.86 today, three times more than what was granted to Puerto Rican victims.

Those affected by Rita in Texas in 2005 received $ 2,453, which adjusted for inflation would be $ 3,073.47 today; in 2008, victims of Ike, also in Texas, received $ 4,375.18 or $ 4,979.27, with inflation adjustment, and victims of Alex in 2010 in Texas received $ 3,920.22, adjusted for inflation it makes $ 4,473.

Current Information Direct From FEMA’s web site for Maria:

Then and Now

After María, Puerto Rico’s entire electrical grid failed. Nobody had power. In 30 days, 21 percent of customers were restored to power; in 60 days, 49 percent; in 90 days, 65 percent. Today, power has been restored to 99.99 percent of customers able to receive an electrical hookup.
Water systems were inoperable. Water service went from 20 to 69 percent operational in 30 days, 91 percent in 60 days. Today, 99.5 percent of water customers are restored.
Debris from María and 41,000 landslides shut down all but 400 miles of Puerto Rico’s 16,700 miles of roads, cutting off municipalities across the island. Today, the roads are clear and traffic is moving.
María knocked out 95 percent of cellular sites. In 30 days, 61 percent of cellular sites were operating; in 60 days, 96 percent; today, 99.8 percent.
“This is a massive job and it has taken a massive effort by everybody: the Government of Puerto and the municipalities, federal agencies, voluntary and faith-based organizations and the private sector,” said Federal Coordinating Officer Michael Byrne, who is leading FEMA’s recovery efforts. “This work will go on for years, and we’ll be here until the job is complete.”

Progress in neighborhoods, restoration of services

More than 462,000 households have received a total of $1.4 billion in FEMA Individual Assistance for essential home repairs, rental assistance and other disaster-related costs. Under FEMA’s Temporary Sheltering Assistance program more than 7,000 families were housed in just over 1,000 hotels in 41 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico.

To date, the Tu Hogar Renace (Your Home Reborn) program, administered by the Government of Puerto Rico and funded by FEMA, repaired 68,654 homes. Voluntary Agencies Leading and Organizing Repair, VALOR, repaired 1,403 homes.

The U.S. Small Business Administration approved $1.8 billion in low-interest disaster loans to 52,228 homeowners, renters and businesses. The National Flood Insurance Program paid $21 million to policyholders.

Eight million cubic yards of debris was removed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and local jurisdictions. USACE installed emergency generators at 1,300 sites to support critical facilities. USACE also installed 59,469 blue roofs and FEMA supplied 126,000 blue tarps for homeowners to install.

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development awarded the Government of Puerto Rico $20 billion in Community Development Block Grants to help rebuild housing and meet other community needs.

FEMA has obligated more than $3.3 billion in Public Assistance grants to help pay for debris removal, power restoration and emergency services; more funding is planned for repair or replacement of public infrastructure.
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Old 15th Sep 2018, 02:26
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Now comes Paul Manafort into federal court and totally rolls-over (flipped) to have his belly rubbed by special council, Robert Muller. The plea agreement demands all information the feds desire. Also he forfeits almost all of everything he owns to cover fines and back taxes.

At 69 years-of-age, future looks poor at best.
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